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Hello,

 

first of all english is not my native language, so I apologize for gramatical or any other mistakes.

 

Little explanation:

So I thought I'd start with upgrading the basic components such as the Motherboard, PSU, RAM, CPU and maybe even the case. Graphics Card and storage devices will be upgraded later on.

As for old parts which are still usable I have a Geforce GT220 and a Samsung 850 EVO.

Though my plan is to build an AM4 System with a current midrange RYZEN CPU, I'd rather buy a stronger PSU so I can later upgrade to a new dedicated High End Graphics Card and a Ryzen 3000/4000 8 or 10 Core CPU.

My main focus goes to longevity and silent operation in a hot environment around 30 °C (+/-10°C).

 

PSU

I am torn between the Seasonic Focus Plus Gold/Patinum and the Bequiet SP E11 550W.

As one of my highest priorities is silent operation of the system, I'm a bit worried cause I heard the Seasonic PSUs suffer quite a lot from coil whine.

Which one would you recommend? Did I miss any reasonably priced alternatives?

Also I thought about using an "older" model, like for example a RMx or a Supernova G3. What about them?

 

CPU

The CPU will be a Ryzen 2600X, maybe a 1600X if I can get a really low price on it.

 

Mainboard

As for mainboards I'm still undecided: The Gigabyte X470 Aorus Ultra Gaming seems to have more usefull features, ont the other hand MSI's X470 Gaming Plus/Pro offers better VRMs.

 

RAM

is probably going to be a Patriot Viper 4 PV416G320C6K.

 

Case

Cases are another point where I'm still uncertain: My favorites would be the Fractal Design Meshify C or the R6. I've seen the R5 in person and was kinda dissapointed by the feel and quality of it, which makes me a bit concerned about going the Fractal Design way.
Regarding this I'm open for proposals. Has anybode already had some experience with the newer Fractal Design Cases?

 

Cooler

CPU Coolers are kind of difficult too:

I'm not sure at all wich way to go. I thought about a Mugen 5 or maybe a Macho, on the other hand models like the Noctua DH15 or the beQuiet Dark Rock 4 Pro seem to deliver a way quieter operation.

 

 

Overall I'd like to get the price as low as possible without sacrificing any of my given demands.

A quiet System whilst easy load like watching videos but with a bit of power and enough cooling reserves for hotter days is basically all I want.

Excuse bad explanations and shitty english, I hope this isn't as big of a torture to read than it was to write.
 

 

Thanks

 

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PSU: Seasonic's whine problem seems to be solved. You can RMA those that whine anyway.

 

Mobo: any site to look for options, say PCPP?

 

Cooler: Thermalright and Scythe's big coolers are overkill for 2600x, it's the future 8 core or 10 core CPUs you plan on using that makes me worried. Do you really need so many cores though?

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

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Hello

Thank you for the answer 

 

Ok thats one point checked, but what about the Fan on the Seasonic Focus Plus Gold/Platinum is it really that louder compared to the Bequiet?

What about the alternatives and "old" ones?

 

46 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Mobo: any site to look for options, say PCPP?

Yes I am sorry https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8Wzkcf/msi-x470-gaming-pro-atx-am4-motherboard-x470-gaming-pro

                        https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4D7v6h/msi-x470-gaming-plus-atx-am4-motherboard-x470-gaming-plus

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TWzkcf/gigabyte-x470-aorus-ultra-gaming-atx-am4-motherboard-x470-aorus-ultra-gaming

The MSI ones should be the same with a different colour scheme

 

Are you sure about the Coolers? I've heard/read that a Macho isn't capable of holding quiet on a 6c/8c Ryzen.

Yes I am planning on getting a 8C/10C Ryzen, in the future. 

I am not sure if it will be the 3xxx or 4xxx series. But if I am going to upgrade I will definetly go big. 

As for CPU usecase, I plan on using it for Games, image editing and compiling.

 

Thanks

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52 minutes ago, Doggy_AttaK420 said:

Hello

Thank you for the answer 

 

Ok thats one point checked, but what about the Fan on the Seasonic Focus Plus Gold/Platinum is it really that louder compared to the Bequiet?

What about the alternatives and "old" ones?

 

The be Quiet is a better PSU regardless of the fan. If you can afford it then go for it. If you can't then the Seasonic is perfectly fine. It will be louder and by a fair bit when the fan is on, but if the unit stays cool then the fan won't need to come on.

 

Not sure what you mean about "old" ones.

 

55 minutes ago, Doggy_AttaK420 said:

 

 

Yes I am sorry https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8Wzkcf/msi-x470-gaming-pro-atx-am4-motherboard-x470-gaming-pro

                        https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4D7v6h/msi-x470-gaming-plus-atx-am4-motherboard-x470-gaming-plus

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TWzkcf/gigabyte-x470-aorus-ultra-gaming-atx-am4-motherboard-x470-aorus-ultra-gaming

The MSI ones should be the same with a different colour scheme

 

 

Contrary to what you said above, I'm fairly certain the Gigabyte has the better VRM.

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3 hours ago, Doggy_AttaK420 said:

Case

Cases are another point where I'm still uncertain: My favorites would be the Fractal Design Meshify C or the R6. I've seen the R5 in person and was kinda dissapointed by the feel and quality of it, which makes me a bit concerned about going the Fractal Design way.
Regarding this I'm open for proposals. Has anybode already had some experience with the newer Fractal Design Cases?

I used the Fractal Design Define Mini C TG in my purple build (signature) and I thought the build quality was good. Then again I was paying $60 (sale) for the case, not over $100

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7 hours ago, Doggy_AttaK420 said:

Ok thats one point checked, but what about the Fan on the Seasonic Focus Plus Gold/Platinum is it really that louder compared to the Bequiet?

What about the alternatives and "old" ones?

even the loud ones only get loud under high load. Buy something with higher than needed wattage and you'll be fine as long as other aspects (materials used, voltage ripple supression etc) are good. I'd chose between those according to lowest price.

 

8 hours ago, Doggy_AttaK420 said:

Yes I am sorry https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8Wzkcf/msi-x470-gaming-pro-atx-am4-motherboard-x470-gaming-pro

                        https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4D7v6h/msi-x470-gaming-plus-atx-am4-motherboard-x470-gaming-plus

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TWzkcf/gigabyte-x470-aorus-ultra-gaming-atx-am4-motherboard-x470-aorus-ultra-gaming

The MSI ones should be the same with a different colour scheme

I'd rather you punch up the budget for an Asrock X370 Taichi or even Asus Crosshair 6 Hero (X370). Cheaper boards dont have the VRM capability for 8 core or even 10/12 core CPUs in the future, seeing how Ryzen 7 1800X's 120w power draw at 4GHz (the clock wall of Zen) rises to Ryzen 7 2700X's 160w-190w at 4.3GHz (clock wall of Zen+). If this trend continues, I'm sure none of the boards you picked will handle these future CPUs without overheating their VRMs and throttle back (if they have protection schemes).

 

8 hours ago, Doggy_AttaK420 said:

Are you sure about the Coolers? I've heard/read that a Macho isn't capable of holding quiet on a 6c/8c Ryzen.

Yes I am planning on getting a 8C/10C Ryzen, in the future. 

I am not sure if it will be the 3xxx or 4xxx series. But if I am going to upgrade I will definetly go big. 

As for CPU usecase, I plan on using it for Games, image editing and compiling.

The Macho is a powerful cooler and even things like Noctua's D15 AM4 dont outperform it that much. I dont know whether it can keep a Ryzen 8/10/12 core cool in the future, but it's overkill for 2600x unless you aim for the highest of overclocks. If you want cooling that will keep the 10/12 core in the future cool, you need to go liquid with rad size of at least 280mm.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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WOW Thanks for the Answers

 

On 2.8.2018 at 6:06 PM, STRMfrmXMN said:

The be Quiet is a better PSU regardless of the fan.           

Not sure what you mean about "old" ones

Ok i guess i will stick with the Be quiet, i was just a bit concerned about the Temperatures and because its only rated to 40°C.

I am just worried that the Bequiet Straight power E11 won't survive that long.

By old ones i meant PSUs like the Corsair RM550x, EVGA Supernova G3 etc.

 

On 2.8.2018 at 7:37 PM, TVwazhere said:

I used the Fractal Design Define Mini C TG in my purple build (signature) and I thought the build quality was good. Then again I was paying $60 (sale) for the case, not over $100

The Problem with the FD Define R5 was, when i saw it in Person, i got really disappointed with the big Gaps and the flimsy Door, it just looked really cheap.

I dont know how it's with the New Cases or alternatives from other Brands though.

 

On 3.8.2018 at 1:22 AM, Jurrunio said:

I'd rather you punch up the budget for an Asrock X370 Taichi or even Asus Crosshair 6 Hero (X370). Cheaper boards dont have the VRM capability for 8 core or even 10/12 core CPUs in the future

As i've said in my open post i want to safe as much money as possible but still meet my demands. A Board that is more expensive than the CPU is a bit crazy for my taste.

But i guess i will have to overthink my current and future Setup.

 

So if i need a AIO Liquid Cooler to keep low Temps on 8/10c then there's no point in buying a NH D15 i guess. 

I think i will get a Macho or something in that range.

 

Thanks

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6 hours ago, Doggy_AttaK420 said:

The Problem with the FD Define R5 was, when i saw it in Person, i got really disappointed with the big Gaps and the flimsy Door, it just looked really cheap.

I dont know how it's with the New Cases or alternatives from other Brands though.

By big gaps, if you're referring to the side ventilation along the front of the case, thats important for airflow. Those are actually a good thing.

 

The door is "flimsy" because the hinges are designed to be swap-able and removable. This wont ever be an issue on the Meshify C since it doesn't have a door. 

 

Out of curiosity, did you ever see the inside of the case, or the cable management?

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On 5.8.2018 at 5:32 PM, TVwazhere said:

By big gaps, if you're referring to the side ventilation along the front of the case, thats important for airflow. Those are actually a good thing.

 

The door is "flimsy" because the hinges are designed to be swap-able and removable. This wont ever be an issue on the Meshify C since it doesn't have a door. 

 

Out of curiosity, did you ever see the inside of the case, or the cable management?

HAHAHA i know what ventilation holes are forxD , what i meant was the gaps on the side panel and ontop, overall it doesn't look very "Premium".

Yes i have seen the inside of the case and that's one of my biggest problems, even though it doesn't look like high quality, it offers way superior features compared to their competition.

 

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10 minutes ago, Doggy_AttaK420 said:

HAHAHA i know what ventilation holes are forxD , what i meant was the gaps on the side panel and ontop, overall it doesn't look very "Premium".

Ah, that might have been just a defect or something. The (now two) Fractal Design cases I've worked with did not have any noticeable gaps or body panel separation, though my most recent friend's build did have a slightly crooked power button.  Cant blame it on shipping because that button and the I/O is covered by the Styrofoam packaging during shipping. 

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On 8/5/2018 at 6:34 PM, Doggy_AttaK420 said:

WOW Thanks for the Answers

 

Ok i guess i will stick with the Be quiet, i was just a bit concerned about the Temperatures and because its only rated to 40°C.

I am just worried that the Bequiet Straight power E11 won't survive that long.

By old ones i meant PSUs like the Corsair RM550x, EVGA Supernova G3 etc.

The SP11 should have no issues being used just as long as any of the other units you mentioned. As for "older" units, the RMx has had a 2018 refresh, and is a solid option, though it only has a rifle bearing fan and does not have multi-rail OCP... 

 

One other option would be the Bitfenix WhisperM (450/550w), it is similar in quality to the new RMx but has an FDB fan and Multi-rail OCP... 

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