Intel Quick Sync vs Core Count for Streaming

[Invader-Peridot]

Hey so i'm wanting to make a Rig for streaming! and multitasking and gaming and all that, basically needing something powerful but im in a bit of a conundrum 

 

So i really want to go for a Xeon based Rig, looking mainly at dual socket boards and maybe going for a Pair of X5680's or E5 2680's if i pay a bit more, ECC RAM is really cheap so it helps pay for it a ittle bit, or finding a single socket board and going for a high core count cpu like a E5 2680 V2 (10 Core) 

 

but since i wanna stream with it, would say a E5 2680 V2 (10 core) be better than maybe getting something like an i7 7700 Which would have quick sync capability 

 

Or is there a 3rd way around it? I really want to go for the Xeon

[Invader-Peridot]

Summary 

 

Xeon E5 2680 V2 (10 Core) (High core count) vs i7 7700 (Intel Quick Sync) for streaming 

 

Core Count vs Quick Sync for streaming 

[Jurrunio]

5 minutes ago, Invader-Peridot said:

Xeon E5 2680 V2 (10 Core) (High core count)

this CPU in particular isnt suitable because it doesnt clock all that high (and IPC is somewhat significantly behind the 7700). While streaming has next to no performance hit with the CPU, it doesnt play games as well as the 7700 from the start.

9 minutes ago, Invader-Peridot said:

Or is there a 3rd way around it?

GPU encoder. NVENC used by Nvidia GTX cards, VCE by the AMD Radeons. Performance hit is small (5-7%), and doesnt take extra CPU resources.

[Princess Luna]

You'll be better off with the i7 7700 and quicksync, using the GPU is a way around it but the quality is usually the lowest with this method, depends how much of an importance streaming has to you.

[Invader-Peridot]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

this CPU in particular isnt suitable because it doesnt clock all that high (and IPC is somewhat significantly behind the 7700). While streaming has next to no performance hit with the CPU, it doesnt play games as well as the 7700 from the start.

GPU encoder. NVENC used by Nvidia GTX cards, VCE by the AMD Radeons. Performance hit is small (5-7%), and doesnt take extra CPU resources.

 

Does NVENC have a quality hit? i'd love to do 720P 30FPS Streaming, and when i used my 7970 for streaming the stream looked like crap, but it could have been a misconfiguration by me 

 

 

[Jurrunio]

3 minutes ago, Invader-Peridot said:

 

Does NVENC have a quality hit? i'd love to do 720P 30FPS Streaming, and when i used my 7970 for streaming the stream looked like crap, but it could have been a misconfiguration by me 

 

 

GPU encoders do badly in compression. In other words, the bitrate has to be much higher than CPU encoders in order to look the same. To my taste, 5x is needed.

[Invader-Peridot]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

GPU encoders do badly in compression. In other words, the bitrate has to be much higher than CPU encoders in order to look the same. To my taste, 5x is needed.

 

Sorry for being lost but, Now that i'm needing the quality and possibly uploading to Youtube, is the Higher core count the winner in this case now? 

 

I plan on using OBS for Rabb.it and Twitch

 

also i'll be learning to use AutoCAD over the next year possibly , so more balls in the park of the Xeon? 

[Sakkura]

Quick Sync is just Intel's version of NVENC (Nvidia) and VCE (AMD). So don't worry about the CPU having integrated GPU if you'll have a dedicated GPU anyway, it's the same basic functionality.

 

A Ryzen CPU would be very suitable for this workload. You can get 8 cores and fairly high clocks without spending a ton.

[Mattias Edeslatt]

This video can give you some hints as Linus compare CPU and GPU encoding plus QuickSync and AMD:s counterpart.

 

 

[Invader-Peridot]

18 minutes ago, Mattias Edeslatt said:

This video can give you some hints as Linus compare CPU and GPU encoding plus QuickSync and AMD:s counterpart.

 

 

 

After watching this, looks like a dual Xeon rig might be my best bet in my price range

 

(i wish DDR4 wasnt so expensive ) 

[Jurrunio]

28 minutes ago, Invader-Peridot said:

 

Sorry for being lost but, Now that i'm needing the quality and possibly uploading to Youtube, is the Higher core count the winner in this case now? 

 

I plan on using OBS for Rabb.it and Twitch

 

also i'll be learning to use AutoCAD over the next year possibly , so more balls in the park of the Xeon? 

No, screw the Xeon fantasy. More cores can only help you so much, single core performance matters much more today ever since Ryzen sends great (so excluding FX) 8 core CPUs at an affordable price.

 

3 minutes ago, Invader-Peridot said:

looks like a dual Xeon rig

Only advantage of dual Xeon rig is that it sounds cool. That's it.

[PandaCopyRight]

from my experience quicksync had the worst quality then the nvidia gpu encoding but with higher bitrates it was nearly as good as just pure cpu power 

most of them can look quite similar-ish...  with enough tinkering and tweaking with the settings 

 

GPU encoding usually will be the smallest performance hit, but pure cpu encoding (not quicksync) will be the best quality.

4 minutes ago, Invader-Peridot said:

After watching this, looks like a dual Xeon rig might be my best bet in my price range

 

(i wish DDR4 wasnt so expensive ) 

i wouldnt bother with 2x xeons. would just get a good gpu and a ryzen cpu ... or the i7 if that is a cheaper option for you 

 

[jonrosalia]

whats the price range of CPU your looking for there are quite a few gulftown and sandy bridge Xeons getting cheaper and the new coffee lake i7 6/12 isn't a slouch with the added benefit of ddr4 if your looking for cores threads with lots of PCI lanes AMD is better bang for your buck right now.

[jonrosalia]

I just got 16 Gb 2x8 of ripjaw DDR4 for $144 prices are coming back down

[Invader-Peridot]

3 minutes ago, jonrosalia said:

whats the price range of CPU your looking for there are quite a few gulftown and sandy bridge Xeons getting cheaper and the new coffee lake i7 6/12 isn't a slouch with the added benefit of ddr4 if your looking for cores threads with lots of PCI lanes AMD is better bang for your buck right now.

 

Well trouble is i wanted to get a Mobo CPU and RAM combo for 200-300 Quid. And dual Xeons looked fairly cheap and able to if i squeezed a 1366'er in there. (or go single E5 2680 V2 with cheap DDR3 ECC, then add another one down the line) 

 

ideally 200, so i could get myself new storage, i already have PSU (RMX 650) sorted out, and GPU sorted down the line 

 

i was tempted by X99 as the boards are much cheaper, but DDR4 prices over here (in UK) are no bueno (for 16 or 32gb) 

[jonrosalia]

1 minute ago, Invader-Peridot said:

 

Well trouble is i wanted to get a Mobo CPU and RAM combo for 200-300 Quid. And dual Xeons looked fairly cheap and able to if i squeezed a 1366'er in there. (or go single E5 2680 V2 with cheap DDR3 ECC, then add another one down the line) 

 

ideally 200, so i could get myself new storage, i already have PSU (RMX 650) sorted out, and GPU sorted down the line 

you can get dual E5-2680 with the board and ram that's not a bad price look at what generation PCIE slots it is so you can take advantage of the newer cards that's going to do a lot of your lifting as far as storage I usualy run a small SSD like a 120-240 for my OS and then figure out how much mass storage I need I have a firecuda hybrid 1Tb I got half price that works realy well and it was only $60. 

 

the things to remember are how many parts will move to your next computer when your done with this one is always a huge benefit making the next one cheaper also the size of it is a down side to a dual socket board its huge and its a lot of power consumption to cool it so think it through before pulling the trigger on that of all the things you could gain from it and all the things you give up with it.

 

I was once a Xeon dual socket dreamer until I thought it through and the down sides outweighed what I was going to gain and I personally really never need 20/40 cores and the huge amount of ram that goes with it unless I was setting up a VM office really.

[jonrosalia]

this is a good watch for dual socket gaming but its usualy overkill a lot of work

 

[Invader-Peridot]

23 minutes ago, jonrosalia said:

you can get dual E5-2680 with the board and ram that's not a bad price look at what generation PCIE slots it is so you can take advantage of the newer cards that's going to do a lot of your lifting as far as storage I usualy run a small SSD like a 120-240 for my OS and then figure out how much mass storage I need I have a firecuda hybrid 1Tb I got half price that works realy well and it was only $60. 

 

the things to remember are how many parts will move to your next computer when your done with this one is always a huge benefit making the next one cheaper also the size of it is a down side to a dual socket board its huge and its a lot of power consumption to cool it so think it through before pulling the trigger on that of all the things you could gain from it and all the things you give up with it.

 

I was once a Xeon dual socket dreamer until I thought it through and the down sides outweighed what I was going to gain and I personally really never need 20/40 cores and the huge amount of ram that goes with it unless I was setting up a VM office really.

 

Hmm 

 

sorry for going in circles here but!

 

Option 1, Supermicro Dual 1366 Board with a pair of X5680's which would run me about 250 

 

Option 2, Dell Motherboard, LGA 2011, Single E5 2680 V2, Which would run me about 300 (these are including ram) 

 

Option 3, Ryzen 1700, Would be about 400 (way over budget) 

 

Option 4, i7 4770, Which would go upto 300 

 

i wanna get as close to the 200 mark as possible :') 

 

Also if you may have to ask , i have an i5 4430 on a Z97 board, but the Z97 board is definately not working too well (2 dead ram slots) and isn't in good nick 

[jonrosalia]

ok whats the amounts of ram in option 1 and 2 they will game well with a good gpu as long as the board has the rest of the goodies to back up the cores and the clock speed 3.6 turbo is kinda low now a days.  but they will blend. also what games and work load you think you will be putting on it?

[Invader-Peridot]

4 minutes ago, jonrosalia said:

ok whats the amounts of ram in option 1 and 2 they will game well with a good gpu as long as the board has the rest of the goodies to back up the cores and the clock speed 3.6 turbo is kinda low now a days.  but they will blend. also what games and work load you think you will be putting on it?

 

Option 1 was 24GB (6x4gb)

 

Option 2 was 16GB (4x4gb)

 

3.6 Turbo does okay for me actually, i'm not gonna be putting a high end gpu on it anyway (maybe a used 980/GTX 1060 at most) , my i5 only turbos to around 3.2 i think and it does fine but it chokes out with cores 

 

Also games wise? Mainly your generic list of AAA games and such, but i also might want to run Emulators like N64 or PCSX2. just getting it to stream well would be grand

[jonrosalia]

3 minutes ago, Invader-Peridot said:

 

Option 1 was 24GB (6x4gb)

 

Option 2 was 16GB (4x4gb)

 

3.6 Turbo does okay for me actually, i'm not gonna be putting a high end gpu on it anyway (maybe a used 980/GTX 1060 at most) , my i5 only turbos to around 3.2 i think and it does fine but it chokes out with cores 

 

Also games wise? Mainly your generic list of AAA games and such, but i also might want to run Emulators like N64 or PCSX2. just getting it to stream well would be grand

personally both are good options but the dual socket with more ram is nice to have as long as you have room for it and you aren't giving up board features to get it. speaking from experience for day to day the i5 4xxx is great I have a 4210u in my portable dell its showing its age against my OptiPlex with the i5 6500 but that's also back when the i5u was a dual core with hyperthreading. sit down and make lists of what both setups give you as benefits and all costs with getting them up and running and make your choice then.

[jonrosalia]

check the power input for the dell board a lot of the time they don't use 24 pin power so you need a adapter

 

also don't forget a build log so the rest of us can see what you end up building and how it works it might help other people who are looking to build basically a gaming server.

[Invader-Peridot]

30 minutes ago, jonrosalia said:

check the power input for the dell board a lot of the time they don't use 24 pin power so you need a adapter

 

also don't forget a build log so the rest of us can see what you end up building and how it works it might help other people who are looking to build basically a gaming server.

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dell-PTTT9-Precision-T3600-Socket-LGA2011-Server-System-Motherboard-4x-DDR3-Slot/282999247341?hash=item41e411d1ed:g:rOQAAOSw5Oxa9FsA

 

this is what i was looking at or https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-Z420-Workstation-PCI-E-LGA2011-Socket-Motherboard-618263-002-708615-001/253763286724?epid=20021604652&hash=item3b157876c4:g:1~gAAOSw0eBbUNUd 

 

here is this too 

 

i could try haggle a E5 2680 V2 down to 150 or get a E5 2680 for 150 (2690 Is more expensive at 200) where i can source X5680's or X5690's in dual for that price 

 

also i will do! even if it's just a mobo and cpu cchange 

[jonrosalia]

that HP board needs a power adapter 24 pin to 18 pin to use a standard power supply but the dell might be a stock 24 pin

8 minutes ago, Invader-Peridot said:

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dell-PTTT9-Precision-T3600-Socket-LGA2011-Server-System-Motherboard-4x-DDR3-Slot/282999247341?hash=item41e411d1ed:g:rOQAAOSw5Oxa9FsA

 

this is what i was looking at or https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-Z420-Workstation-PCI-E-LGA2011-Socket-Motherboard-618263-002-708615-001/253763286724?epid=20021604652&hash=item3b157876c4:g:1~gAAOSw0eBbUNUd 

 

i could try haggle a E5 2680 V2 down to 150 or get a E5 2680 for 150 (2690 Is more expensive at 200) where i can source X5680's or X5690's in dual for that price 

 

also i will do! even if it's just a mobo and cpu cchange 

 

[Invader-Peridot]

1 minute ago, jonrosalia said:

that HP board needs a power adapter 24 pin to 18 pin to use a standard power supply but the dell might be a stock 24 pin

 

 

So go with the Dell one if i could

 

im worried, are they able to be fitted to a normal ATX case? or are the screw holes different? 

 

also this is the mobo for the dual X5680's if i go for it https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SuperMicro-X8DTL-iF-Socket-1366-Dual-Xeon-CPU-Server-Motherboard/123049438241?epid=77578649&hash=item1ca6516c21:g:1KQAAOSwn35avZT-