intel or amd Ryzen 5 1600 or Intel i5 8500 with Optane Memory!?

[iversxn_]

Hi!

After a long while I've decided its time to upgrade from my Old i3-2100 and GTX 750Ti to something better.

 

The options in the market which I can afford is the Ryzen 5 1600 and the Intel i5 8500 + Intel Optane Memory and a GTX 1060 3GB with a B350 or B360 Motherboard respectively. I'm from Bangladesh and here the prices are quite steep and my build Budget is around 77,000 BDT which is US $911 at current exchange rate

 

Only planning to use SSD for boot drive. For the rest of stuff I'll be using HDD. 

 

Prices for the CPU 

 

Ryzen 5 1600 - 15,000 BDT which is equivalent to US $177.42 

 

Or,

 

Intel i5 8500 - 17,200 BDT which is equivalent to US $203.44

 

Intel Optane M.2 16GB - 4000 BDT which is equivalent to US $47.31

 

Also, the GTX 1060 3GB is priced at 24,000 BDT which is equivalent to US $284

 

I'll be using the PC for Gaming, Editing in Premiere and Photoshop, a bit of Music Production and lastly watching Linus's Beautiful Face 

 

I want the PC to be a bit future proof as in an upgrade path so than i can Upgrade later on if i need to.

 

Do you guys think that Optane Memory is a good deal to make an Intel Build? 

 

After seeing the results of the performance enhancement using optane my mind is bamboozled and I'm again confused about the two options. 

 

But, seems like Ryzen will allow me to Upgrade till 2020 with the same Chipset with Bios Updates. 

 

Both Options are pretty tempting. Can Ya'll tell me something which can finalise my decision!. Sorry for troubling as I've been waiting a while to build a new system and I don't want to regret if you know what I mean.

 

Games I'll be playing - Watch dogs 2, Assasins Creed Series, GTA V, Far Cry 5, PUBG, Fortnite, Battlefield series, Forza, Dirt 4, Minesweeper  (JK) etc.

 

It will be a huge relief for me if you guys help me so that I can purchase the system soon.

 

Thanks In Advance. PC Master Race FTW

 

P.S- Love from Bangladesh to the PC Community :3

[Jurrunio]

For just the CPU itslef, both are equally good because Premiere use a lot of CPU threads which the Ryzen wins, while Photoshop cares about single core performance which the Intel CPU comes out winning.

 

As for whether you should consider Optane, what is your storage drive configuration?

[Electronics Wizardy]

Id probably not get optane, if you want to cache you hdd there are many solutions and a bigger second ssd would work fine aswell on both platfroms. I don't see the point of optane here.

 

Id go 1600 here, cheaper, about the same performance in games, esp with a 1060. Your probably better off getting a 1060 6gb and a lower end cpu like a 2400g.

 

 

[Sakkura]

For something like editing, Optane won't be that helpful. It's alright for general use and even gaming, but it's not especially good value for money.

 

AMD's 2nd-gen Ryzen chips come with a StoreMI license, where you can use an SSD for a more flexible cache for an HDD. Unlike Optane (or Intel's old SSD caching, SRT), you don't lose the storage capacity. So it's probably the highest value and most flexible option if you're interested in caching.

[iversxn_]

9 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

For just the CPU itslef, both are equally good because Premiere use a lot of CPU threads which the Ryzen wins, while Photoshop cares about single core performance which the Intel CPU comes out winning.

 

As for whether you should consider Optane, what is your storage drive configuration?

I'm gonna use a WD 120GB SATA SSD for Boot drive and a 2TB WD 7.2k RPM for rest of the storage. Nothing too high end xD. 

[iversxn_]

6 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

For something like editing, Optane won't be that helpful. It's alright for general use and even gaming, but it's not especially good value for money.

 

AMD's 2nd-gen Ryzen chips come with a StoreMI license, where you can use an SSD for a more flexible cache for an HDD. Unlike Optane (or Intel's old SSD caching, SRT), you don't lose the storage capacity. So it's probably the highest value and most flexible option if you're interested in caching.

I'd go for Ryzen 2nd gen but unfortunately in my Country it's not arrived yet although the APUs have. Maybe in 2 months it'll be here but can't resist buying as my current setup is kinda potato. 

[iversxn_]

13 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

Id probably not get optane, if you want to cache you hdd there are many solutions and a bigger second ssd would work fine aswell on both platfroms. I don't see the point of optane here.

 

Id go 1600 here, cheaper, about the same performance in games, esp with a 1060. Your probably better off getting a 1060 6gb and a lower end cpu like a 2400g.

 

 

I wanted a Mid range CPU as now 6C is standard I'll prolly stick with the 1600 but the 1060 6GB variant crosses my budget by a lot as its about 33,000 BDT here which is about USD 390. 

[iversxn_]

6 minutes ago, Pangea2017 said:

The only problem with optane is the price and how intel is marketing it. Don't use it as a simple cache drive. Using a 120gb ssd as cache will be better then a 16gb optane while it will be the same cost.

Then that solution would work for both AMD and Intel right!? That's a pleasing information! Can you link me to a video or article which elaborates more on this or even you could give a brief idea. Thanks! 

[Jurrunio]

8 minutes ago, Pangea2017 said:

The only problem with optane is the price and how intel is marketing it. Don't use it as a simple cache drive. Using a 120gb ssd as cache will be better then a 16gb optane while it will be the same cost.

But can you? I thought ssd cache is only doable with Optane on Intel?

 

16 minutes ago, zToXiC said:

I'm gonna use a WD 120GB SATA SSD for Boot drive and a 2TB WD 7.2k RPM for rest of the storage. Nothing too high end xD. 

Then you shouldnt get Optane. Spend that extra money (maybe get the cheaper 1600 as well) and get a better ssd.

[iversxn_]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

But can you? I thought ssd cache is only doable with Optane on Intel?

 

Then you shouldnt get Optane. Spend that extra money (maybe get the cheaper 1600 as well) and get a better ssd.

I also have 0 idea about SSD Caching but if it can be done it would definitely be a nice boost to performance as in loading times. 

 

Should i buy 2 separate SSD's 1 for Boot drive and the other for Caching if possible. And if the Caching ain't possible still should i get 2 separate drives as o don't wanna bloat up the boot drive.

[Streetguru]

1 hour ago, zToXiC said:

 

Optane is not very useful overall, especially not at current pricing.

Ryzen is likely to be the better value system with the extra multi-threaded performance, so probably go for that IMO.

 

but I'd suggest you look into Ryzen 2nd gen, and maybe X470 as it gets you storeMI which is probably a lot more useful than optane. Performance difference over 1st gen is a decent bump.

And buy a 1060 6GB or RX 580 instead of the 3GB model. If the 1050ti is a lot cheaper, just go for that.
 

 

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, zToXiC said:

I also have 0 idea about SSD Caching but if it can be done it would definitely be a nice boost to performance as in loading times. 

 

Should i buy 2 separate SSD's 1 for Boot drive and the other for Caching if possible. And if the Caching ain't possible still should i get 2 separate drives as o don't wanna bloat up the boot drive.

Yes for buying another SSD, but dont use it as a cahce for HDD. Use it as a cache for files you're gonna edit instead, importing them from the SSD should be much faster.

[Electronics Wizardy]

16 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

But can you? I thought ssd cache is only doable with Optane on Intel?

You can do ssd caching with storage spaces in windows, you can use optane drives with it too. optane drives are just nvme drive.

 

10 minutes ago, zToXiC said:

Should i buy 2 separate SSD's 1 for Boot drive and the other for Caching if possible. And if the Caching ain't possible still should i get 2 separate drives as o don't wanna bloat up the boot drive.

Really with this budget, get a ssd for boot and common files, and a hdd for less used files. Storing some videos and games on your boot drives is fine.

 

I wouldn't bother with a cache here.

 

 

[Streetguru]

1 hour ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

optane drives are just nvme drive.

Optane is definitely not just the same as NVME.

[Electronics Wizardy]

3 hours ago, Streetguru said:

Optane is definitely not just the same as NVME.

nvme is how the ssd talks to the system over pcie.

 

Optane uses nvme. It shows up as a nvme drive. you can boot from it. Its a normal nvme drive.

 

Intel has a caching software that lets you cache a boot sata drive on a supported system and if you have a optane drive. They could let you use any nvme drive easily, but lock it to a drive that has optane in the name.

[Streetguru]

4 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

nvme is how the ssd talks to the system over pcie.

 

Optane uses nvme. It shows up as a nvme drive. you can boot from it. Its a normal nvme drive.

 

Intel has a caching software that lets you cache a boot sata drive on a supported system and if you have a optane drive. They could let you use any nvme drive easily, but lock it to a drive that has optane in the name.

It may use NVME sure, but it's way faster/lower latency than typical NVME flash storage if I'm not mistaken. It's just way more expensive per GB as well.

also has more endurance than normal flash.

 

 

[Electronics Wizardy]

44 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

It may use NVME sure, but it's way faster/lower latency than typical NVME flash storage if I'm not mistaken. It's just way more expensive per GB as well.

also has more endurance than normal flash.

 

 

oh yea its much faster than any nand ssd and better in most ways(except cost). I have a 16gb as a slog, good cheap slog drives for zfs. But work just like a nvme drive.

 

Its going to be interesting to see how the dimms do. Im guessing optane can be a good amount faster if you don't have to go over pcie and nvme.

[iversxn_]

So pretty much you all are saying that i should go for the Ryzen system or the 2nd generation if possible with a better and bigger capacity SSD if I ger what ya'll are saying. Thanks A lot for all the information and help you've all provided! It definitely helped in making my decision! Thank you all Again!