Gaming / Streaming Server setup

[Steven LaFrance]

Hey ok let me start by saying my plans are odd and might not work but i think it might here are the builds. Thanks for everyones help

 

Streaming Server

 

Hardware---

CPU    Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor

CPU Cooler    Corsair - H60 (2018) 57.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler

Motherboard    Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard

Memory    G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory

Storage    Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive

Power Supply    Corsair - 760W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply

Wired Network Adapter    Asus - XG-C100C PCI-Express x4 100 Mbps/1 Gbps/10 Gbps Network Adapter

Case    ARK 4U-500-CA Black 4U Rackmount Case

 

Software---

OS    Windows 10 Pro

Streaming     OBS   W/ NewTek NDI SDK 3 plugin

 

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The network is going to be

 

                    Gaming Port is the 1GBps built in <----------------------|

                                                                                                       |

Gaming pc --------    VIA 10GB port <------------|                             |

                                                        ASUS XG-U2008 <----> Asus RT-AC68U <----> Fiber Box

Streaming pc-----     VIA 10GB port <------------|                             |

                                                                                                       |

                   Twitch Connect is the built in 1GBps port  <------------|

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Gaming PC

 

Hardware---

CPU    Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor

CPU Cooler    Fractal Design - Celsius S36 87.6 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler

Motherboard    Asus - ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard

Memory    G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory

Storage    Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive
                 Samsung - 860 Evo 1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive
                 Seagate - BarraCuda 4TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive

Video Card    Asus - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB STRIX GAMING OC Video Card

Case    Corsair - Crystal 570X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case

Power Supply    Corsair - 760W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply

Wired Network Adapter    Asus - XG-C100C PCI-Express x4 100 Mbps/1 Gbps/10 Gbps Network Adapter

Monitor    BenQ - XL2411 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor
                BenQ - XL2411 24.0" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor

 

Software---

OS    Windows 10 Pro

Streaming     OBS   W/ NewTek NDI SDK 3 plugin

 

 

[leadeater]

Why 10Gb networking for this? Not that I object to using 10Gb but it won't actually help for streaming.

 

I'd also check out Gamers Nexus coverage on 8700k vs Ryzen for streaming, most of their tests are combined gaming and streaming on one system though but anyway if you're going dedicated you won't need such a high end system like the 8700k for it, just money you don't need to spend really.

[NelizMastr]

3 hours ago, leadeater said:

Why 10Gb networking for this? Not that I object to using 10Gb but it won't actually help for streaming.

 

My thoughts exactly. Especially since the incoming connection is just a 1Gbe port so the only benefit would be to have a NAS box with fast drives that can saturate a gigabit link and beyond.

[Fleetscut]

3 hours ago, NelizMastr said:

My thoughts exactly. Especially since the incoming connection is just a 1Gbe port so the only benefit would be to have a NAS box with fast drives that can saturate a gigabit link and beyond.

You can actually forward your video from the gaming PC over a network to your streaming pc for encoding. This allows you to avoid needing a capture card. The 10gb nic would help to allow sending high res un compressed video info to the streaming pc and not bottleneck the 1gb nic being used for connecting to game servers.

[Steven LaFrance]

On 5/29/2018 at 3:35 AM, leadeater said:

Why 10Gb networking for this? Not that I object to using 10Gb but it won't actually help for streaming.

 

I'd also check out Gamers Nexus coverage on 8700k vs Ryzen for streaming, most of their tests are combined gaming and streaming on one system though but anyway if you're going dedicated you won't need such a high end system like the 8700k for it, just money you don't need to spend really.

well my plans are to have the best sitting set for OBS so slow or better and a uploaded of 4000Kbps 

[Steven LaFrance]

On 5/29/2018 at 6:42 AM, NelizMastr said:

My thoughts exactly. Especially since the incoming connection is just a 1Gbe port so the only benefit would be to have a NAS box with fast drives that can saturate a gigabit link and beyond.

its so i can do uncompressed video to the encoding PC and i ran the test for 1080p 60 fps and the best speed sits around 120/140MBps so a 10gb network is needed

[Steven LaFrance]

On 5/29/2018 at 10:35 AM, Fleetscut said:

You can actually forward your video from the gaming PC over a network to your streaming pc for encoding. This allows you to avoid needing a capture card. The 10gb nic would help to allow sending high res un compressed video info to the streaming pc and not bottleneck the 1gb nic being used for connecting to game servers.

you are bang on with what i want to do 

[Jarsky]

A full 4K60FPS stream at the highest quality is about 80MB/s which is still only 70% of a 1Gbit connection. 

If you have the PC's already, have you tested this setup without the 10gbE? Not sure its really needed. 

 

The price of all this 10gbE gear though, you could just afford a capture card such as the Elgato 4K60 Pro

[Steven LaFrance]

1 hour ago, Jarsky said:

A full 4K60FPS stream at the highest quality is about 80MB/s which is still only 70% of a 1Gbit connection. 

If you have the PC's already, have you tested this setup without the 10gbE? Not sure its really needed. 

 

The price of all this 10gbE gear though, you could just afford a capture card such as the Elgato 4K60 Pro

I'm going based off this wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncompressed_video

 

 

[Jarsky]

3 minutes ago, Steven LaFrance said:

I'm going based off this wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncompressed_video

 

 

 

It will not be outputting at 4:4:4 RGB or 4:2:2 YUV color spaces to reach anywhere near those uncompressed chroma subsampling rates. 

A quick read of the OBS forums, indicates that its being encoded in some way, and a 4K source is putting out around 270-300MB/s and performs about the same as an Elgato 4K60 in the CbCr color space. 

 

It would seem to me that as long as your packet switching is fast enough (a decent gigabit switch), that a Gigabit switch is plenty. 

[jde3]

This isn't a server. It's just a capture client system. It doesn't belong in this thread, you might get better traffic if it's in gaming or so..

 

As far as capacity you might be running into other bottlenecks.. There is a limit to how fast an OS can pass packets through it's kernel. A desktop OS like Windows 10 probably dosen't do well in that area..