Can I limit upload speeds in Windows?

[Frankieanime158]

Hey guys, hoping to find a way to limit upload speed. I have a 175dl with a low 15ul speed. I like streaming, but when I do 1080p60 with a bitrate of around 8,000, despite not eating all the bandwidth, it still makes things horrible on my brother's end for gaming. I tried netlimiter, and limiting my own connection completely alleviates this issue, so I'm hoping there's a way to do this without having to fill up on third party software. If it's free though, I can manage. And unfortunately my router doesn't have any limiting features, I just have the default high speed modem/router Shaw gave me.

Thanks  

[Jimkirk363]

Some other software is listed here u can give a try....

 

https://windowsreport.com/bandwidth-limiter-windows-10/

[Theguywhobea]

You could try steaming at 720p60 and a lower bitrate.

[Frankieanime158]

1 minute ago, Theguywhobea said:

You could try steaming at 720p60 and a lower bitrate.

Yea, usually on more intense games my 2700x struggles with, I do 720p60 at 6250. But even so, it just causes inconsistencies for my brother  

[Jimkirk363]

@Frankieanime1582700x struggles on more intense games?  well that depends what components u have built around it, mines fine.

[Sack]

I've actually read that 720p60fps gives you a better stream quality than streaming at 1080p because twitch can't really make it that much better with their current bitrate, this was one pro player to another pro player streamer whos been having issues with his streams on twitch.

[Frankieanime158]

1 minute ago, jimkirk363 said:

@Frankieanime1582700x struggles on more intense games?  well that depends what components u have built around it, mines fine.

Actually I screwed that sentence up. I just got a 2700x, but haven't streamed on it yet, I was referring to the R5 1600 I upgraded from. My head's still locked onto the 2700x so I accidentally said that instead. Do you have any settings suggestions though? I usually just did the simple layout, set the bitrate, and let it do the rest automatically.

[kirashi]

12 minutes ago, Frankieanime158 said:

Hey guys, hoping to find a way to limit upload speed. I have a 175dl with a low 15ul speed. I like streaming, but when I do 1080p60 with a bitrate of around 8,000, despite not eating all the bandwidth, it still makes things horrible on my brother's end for gaming. I tried netlimiter, and limiting my own connection completely alleviates this issue, so I'm hoping there's a way to do this without having to fill up on third party software. If it's free though, I can manage. And unfortunately my router doesn't have any limiting features, I just have the default high speed modem/router Shaw gave me.

Thanks  

You can do this on any decent wireless router, modem/router potato unit, or professional routing switch. It's called QoS, and can be enabled on a device-level, so that only certain devices are subject to limits. I'm willing to bet that the real issue here is the performance of either your modem or router, since most low to mid range products struggle with latency when both download and upload streams are being used heavily.

Source: I work tech support for an ISP and see this far too often with certain models of modems/routers.

 

If your modem or router (or modem/router potato) doesn't allow you to manage QoS on a device-level, throw it away and purchase one that isn't a potato, since this has been a standard feature since Wireless N was developed 10+ years ago. In our house, I run a Netgear R7000 using custom Advanced Tomato firmware that fully adheres to my QoS settings. Because of this, I can stream to Twitch using Streamlabs OBS (don't use the regular OBS; it drops frames like nobody's business) and have my brother online playing games at the same time without issue, and we also only have 15mbps upload.

[Frankieanime158]

2 minutes ago, Sack said:

I've actually read that 720p60fps gives you a better stream quality than streaming at 1080p because twitch can't really make it that much better with their current bitrate, this was one pro player to another pro player streamer whos been having issues with his streams on twitch.

I stream on YouTube actually. But yea, Twitch has a limit for bitrate, and (I believe) unless you're partner, you can't stream in 1080p anyways. YouTube though, allows for much much higher quality streams, and 1080p60 for everyone, so that's where I do it. Besides, I have a YouTube channel, and I prefer to just keep all my content in one place anyways  

[Frankieanime158]

Just now, kirashi said:

You can do this on any decent wireless router, modem/router potato unit, or professional routing switch. It's called QoS, and can be enabled on a device-level, so that only certain devices are subject to limits. I'm willing to bet that the real issue here is the performance of either your modem or router, since most low to mid range products struggle with latency when both download and upload streams are being used heavily.

Source: I work tech support for an ISP and see this far too often with certain models of modems/routers.

 

If your modem or router (or modem/router potato) doesn't allow you to manage QoS on a device-level, throw it away and purchase one that isn't a potato, since this has been a standard feature since Wireless N was developed 10+ years ago. In our house, I run a Netgear R7000 using custom Advanced Tomato firmware that fully adheres to my QoS settings. Because of this, I can stream to Twitch using Streamlabs OBS (don't use the regular OBS; it drops frames like nobody's business) and have my brother online playing games at the same time without issue, and we also only have 15mbps upload.

Yea, I just have the default modem/router combo our ISP gives us, and I would definitely assume it's got shitty connection. But yea, there's no quality of service settings in it, and Shaw doesn't even understand what that is. They just direct me to the manufacture (Hitron), which doesn't even have information on this router anywhere.

I've never heard of streamlabs OBS, it's the same program basically? Or at least the same maker? I'll definitely look into just getting a new router. I was just hoping not to spend money, but at least if I have my own router to flash, it stays with me until it dies anyways.

Thanks for the detailed response  

[kirashi]

13 minutes ago, Frankieanime158 said:

Yea, I just have the default modem/router combo our ISP gives us, and I would definitely assume it's got shitty connection. But yea, there's no quality of service settings in it, and Shaw doesn't even understand what that is. They just direct me to the manufacture (Hitron), which doesn't even have information on this router anywhere.

I've never heard of streamlabs OBS, it's the same program basically? Or at least the same maker? I'll definitely look into just getting a new router. I was just hoping not to spend money, but at least if I have my own router to flash, it stays with me until it dies anyways.

Thanks for the detailed response  

Ah, hello fellow Shaw user.  The hard truth of modems in Canada is that I have yet to see a single ISP provided modem whose QoS configuration actually works as intended, or even exists at all, such as in the case of the Hitron. Our neighbors Telus provided Actiontec modem has QoS in the admin interface, but enabling it does absolutely nothing for regular downloads or web browsing - it only seems to acknowledge streaming video as traffic that it can manage properly.

 

In this case, I'd highly recommend getting your modem bridged so it can straight pass-through an IP address to your own router. Yes, this does involve purchasing your own router, and then learning how to configure it after installing custom firmware, but in my full honest opinion, it'll be better for everyone using your internet overall. (If you want any further guidance on the router to get or flashing help, just keep posting below.)

 

That being said, it might also be a good idea to reach out to Shaw via chat support just to have them check the signal levels coming into the modem from the outside, and then run hardwired speedtests directly on the modem with zero other devices connected. If you've done this already, awesome! Otherwise I know it can be tedious, but it basically allows you (and your ISP) to rule things out one by one to pinpoint what needs improving so you can work on the actual issue.

 

As for Streamlabs OBS, it's simply another build of OBS but with a UI that actually functions, and encoding binaries that don't drop frames, at least hardly as often as the normal OBS. I have an i7-4790K and GTX 950, so decent processor and a "meh" GPU. Using regular OBS, I'd drop frames every few seconds, whereas with Streamlabs OBS I can use the exact same encoding settings and maybe drop 3 frames in 30 minutes.

[Frankieanime158]

33 minutes ago, kirashi said:

Ah, hello fellow Shaw user.  The hard truth of modems in Canada is that I have yet to see a single ISP provided modem whose QoS configuration actually works as intended, or even exists at all, such as in the case of the Hitron. Our neighbors Telus provided Actiontec modem has QoS in the admin interface, but enabling it does absolutely nothing for regular downloads or web browsing - it only seems to acknowledge streaming video as traffic that it can manage properly.

 

In this case, I'd highly recommend getting your modem bridged so it can straight pass-through an IP address to your own router. Yes, this does involve purchasing your own router, and then learning how to configure it after installing custom firmware, but in my full honest opinion, it'll be better for everyone using your internet overall. (If you want any further guidance on the router to get or flashing help, just keep posting below.)

 

That being said, it might also be a good idea to reach out to Shaw via chat support just to have them check the signal levels coming into the modem from the outside, and then run hardwired speedtests directly on the modem with zero other devices connected. If you've done this already, awesome! Otherwise I know it can be tedious, but it basically allows you (and your ISP) to rule things out one by one to pinpoint what needs improving so you can work on the actual issue.

 

As for Streamlabs OBS, it's simply another build of OBS but with a UI that actually functions, and encoding binaries that don't drop frames, at least hardly as often as the normal OBS. I have an i7-4790K and GTX 950, so decent processor and a "meh" GPU. Using regular OBS, I'd drop frames every few seconds, whereas with Streamlabs OBS I can use the exact same encoding settings and maybe drop 3 frames in 30 minutes.

Alright, sounds good. And yea there was a time recently where there was a damaged line in the ocean, so a large amount of people here on Vancouver Island were getting horrible speeds during peak hours. Around 4pm we'd drop to around 20mbs, it lasted 5 weeks. Thankfully they refunded us the entire month when it was fixed. But, to rule out other options, they actually came twice and put signal boosters in our coax line, both of which did nothing, and the problem was solved after the supposed line fix anyways. Point is, we have signal boosters now, and they recently re-wired our building anyways, so any issues don't seem to come from the connection, but rather the router itself.

It might be a month or 2 before I get a new router anyways, so when I do I'll seek the help. Thanks for that

 

Otherwise, I'm just fiddling with this other OBS right now. The interface and design alone are worth switching anyways. Thanks again