Need Help Picking Parts!

[Foul]

Hey!

So, Ive been looking for an upgrade, Currently I have a FX-8350 That has been causing me troubles the last Year or so, So I think its finally time for an upgrade.

 

Current Build. (First Build btw.)

CPU: AMD FX 8350

GPU: 1050ti
Motheboard: 970 MSI Gaming.
8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 Kingston.

 

So, I was really looking for an Upgrade that I would experience More FPS, In the games I enjoy, Nothing Crazy like being able to run a game in 60FPS Max settings, Also Not any AAA Titles,

I dont mind playing in Medium settings I just want to be able to play 1920 x 1080, And at least a steady 60fps, If not more, 
I have been told some great options abit ago from the community, Just wanted too see if theres something better I can do

Games I Play.

- Overwatch

- All the Borderlands ( Surprisingly Have a hard time running them on my current setup)

- GTA 

-PUBG

- And some random steam games here and there, Nothing TOO crazy. 

 

First I was told 
  THIS IS ALL CANADIAN $$$ 

CPU: AMD RYZEN 3 2200G Quad-Core 3.5 GHz ($130 CAD)

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113481&cm_re=ryzen_2200g-_-19-113-481-_-Product

 

Motheboard:  ASRock AB350 Pro4 AM4 ($140 CAD, Sale $119, $90 CAD With Rebate)

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=Arock+&N=-1&isNodeId=1

RAM: Kingston HyperX Fury 8GB (1 x 8G) DDR4 2400 ($113 CAD, Sale $102)

 

Comes to $322 CAD, With 13% Tax Around $370 CAD

 

Second Option.

 

CPU: AMD RYZEN 5 1600 6-Core 3.2 GHz ($300, Sale 240, Rebate $220 CAD)

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16819113435

 

 Motherboard: ASRock AB350 Pro4 AM4 ($140 CAD, Sale $119, $90 CAD With Rebate)

https://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=Arock+&N=-1&isNodeId=1

 

RAM: Kingston HyperX Fury 8GB (1 x 8G) DDR4 2400 ($113 CAD, Sale $102)

 

Comes to $412, With 13% Tax around $460 CAD

 

If you have any Other suggestions Please let me know, I REALLY dident want to spend this much, 460$ Is really pushing it, And that is with crazy sales that are going on.

 

Questions I Have.

 

Is there a Noticeable difference between the two CPUS? 

I was told the Ryzen's do poorly with single core games.. (borderlands)

I Dont Plan on Overclocking but it would be really nice if I could, Just scared of overheating etc...

 

Anything else you need to know, Let me know!!

Thanks!

[Lurick]

I would go with the 1600, or maybe even the 1500X if you don't need the two extra cores.

The 2200G you'll risk BIOS compatibility issues unless you know of a shop that can update the BIOS on the cheap.

 

For overclocking you'll be fine, CPUs will shut themselves off or throttle back if they get too hot. It's voltage that you gotta worry about but generally 1.35v or less is safe.

[Jurrunio]

3 minutes ago, Foul said:

Is there a Noticeable difference between the two CPUS? 

4 core 4 thread CPU versus 6 core 12 thread CPU, huge difference there.

 

3 minutes ago, Foul said:

I was told the Ryzen's do poorly with single core games.. (borderlands)

Not poorly, just not outstanding like Intel's high clocked chips. Not like you have the best of the best system that can benefit from Intel's advantage anyway.

 

4 minutes ago, Foul said:

I Dont Plan on Overclocking but it would be really nice if I could, Just scared of overheating etc...

Even the stock cooler can handle the heat of an overclocked Ryzen CPU, because they dont overclock all that far.

 

Ryzen 5 1600 much better choice here, though if you arent in a rush I suggest waiting for Ryzen 2000 series (Zen+ based) to come out in mid-April.

[Foul]

1 minute ago, Lurick said:

I would go with the 1600, or maybe even the 1500X if you don't need the two extra cores.

The 2200G you'll risk BIOS compatibility issues unless you know of a shop that can update the BIOS on the cheap.

 

For overclocking you'll be fine, CPUs will shut themselves off or throttle back if they get too hot. It's voltage that you gotta worry about but generally 1.35v or less is safe.

Thanks!

So you think Option 2 is better?

Any areas I could improve on?

Is the Motherboard Able to be Overclocked on, (or what ever, I know the CPU is whats being overclocked, but some people say you cant overclock on some Motherboards.)
Just want everything to be compatible.

 

Thanks tho!  

[Lurick]

Just now, Foul said:

Thanks!

So you think Option 2 is better?

Any areas I could improve on?

Is the Motherboard Able to be Overclocked on, (or what ever, I know the CPU is whats being overclocked, but some people say you cant overclock on some Motherboards.)
Just want everything to be compatible.

 

Thanks tho!  

Yah, Option 2 should provide you better performance overall and no risk of BIOS compatibility.

The board is solid too, should provide decent overclocking.

It's the A320 motherboards you can't overclock with for Ryzen, all CPUs are unlocked but the boards will dictate if you can overclock.

With Intel it's a combination of chip (X or K  SKUs can overclock) and motherboard (Z series board)

[Foul]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

4 core 4 thread CPU versus 6 core 12 thread CPU, huge difference there.

 

Not poorly, just not outstanding like Intel's high clocked chips. Not like you have the best of the best system that can benefit from Intel's advantage anyway.

 

Even the stock cooler can handle the heat of an overclocked Ryzen CPU, because they dont overclock all that far.

 

Ryzen 5 1600 much better choice here, though if you arent in a rush I suggest waiting for Ryzen 2000 series (Zen+ based) to come out in mid-April.

Hey, Thanks for the info!

1, Yea i was just looking around, and they said for the games I like, they mainly run on Single core, ( I think ) is there a way to make the games use Multi Core,

Link to that, (https://steamcommunity.com/app/49520/discussions/0/619568793837428531/) "Borderlands 2 is a 32 bit single thread thing, so the game will not take advantage of multi-core CPUs."

2,  About the 2nd Gen chipes, with the absolute Shit hole economy Canada has, I think the new chips are going to be way out of my price range sadly, Do you think the R5 1600 would drop in price by a noticeable amount? 

 

Thanks for the help!

 

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, Foul said:

2,  About the 2nd Gen chipes, with the absolute Shit hole economy Canada has, I think the new chips are going to be way out of my price range sadly, Do you think the R5 1600 would drop in price by a noticeable amount? 

It has already seen price cuts, so I dont think it will drop by all that much unless Ryzen 2000 series shows to be far superior. Of course, that will raise the question of Ryzen 5 2600 vs 1600 and things will happen all over again...

[Foul]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

It has already seen price cuts, so I dont think it will drop by all that much unless Ryzen 2000 series shows to be far superior. Of course, that will raise the question of Ryzen 5 2600 vs 1600 and things will happen all over again...

Shoot, 

 

Ill really have to see, Havent really been keeping up with any of that stuff, My computer has become such a pain really wanted to upgrade it, but debating on how much of an improvement ill see for 500$, and I know for the PC world, 500$ inst a lot, but imo it is.. 

 

I know its not your build, or what ever, But what do you think i should do, You seem to be more knowledgeable then I, Worth it with the 110$ In sales? Somehow Wait? I just really dont want to upgrade, and hardly notice a difference, And then have A older, CPU, Ram, And motherboard I have not much to do with..

 

And I know this sounds stupid, If you could some how quickly tell me, Like say a Steam game says Recommended 3.9 GHz, And my Current CPU FX 8350 has 4GHz, But this "new" Ryzen only has 3.2.. and 2 Less cores.. Is that going to be a Problem? 

Thanks a ton for the help.

[Jurrunio]

7 minutes ago, Foul said:

Worth it with the 110$ In sales? Somehow Wait? I just really dont want to upgrade, and hardly notice a difference, And then have A older, CPU, Ram, And motherboard I have not much to do with..

If the current FX is such a pain in the ass, just get the 1600. Ryzen 2000 series wont be the last CPU this socket supports (there will be at least Ryzen 3000 series), which means you can upgrade years later to a even newer and better CPU.

 

7 minutes ago, Foul said:

Like say a Steam game says Recommended 3.9 GHz, And my Current CPU FX 8350 has 4GHz, But this "new" Ryzen only has 3.2.. and 2 Less cores.. Is that going to be a Problem? 

Look at the Intel side of things instead, benchmarks if in doubt. Requirements listed like this are usually written before Ryzen, which itself is comparable to older Intel CPUs.

[dizmo]

Wait until next month, then get the new Ryzen stuff.

 

You can't compare Ghz between different chips as they're not created equal, especially a chip that's what....almost 7 years old now?

The 1600 will absolutely crush the 8350.

[LienusLateTips]

8 minutes ago, Foul said:

And I know this sounds stupid, If you could some how quickly tell me, Like say a Steam game says Recommended 3.9 GHz, And my Current CPU FX 8350 has 4GHz, But this "new" Ryzen only has 3.2.. and 2 Less cores.. Is that going to be a Problem? 

IPC is something. IPC of the 8350 is around half, or a third of Ryzen's, so you'll have to half (or third) the clock speed. 

 

And FX 8350 cores share same resources so half the core count too.

[Foul]

14 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

If the current FX is such a pain in the ass, just get the 1600. Ryzen 2000 series wont be the last CPU this socket supports (there will be at least Ryzen 3000 series), which means you can upgrade years later to a even newer and better CPU.

 

Look at the Intel side of things instead, benchmarks if in doubt. Requirements listed like this are usually written before Ryzen, which itself is comparable to older Intel CPUs.

Yea, Random Computer Freezes causing me to have to reset my whole computer, It happens on plenty of other peoples FX8350 chips as well so im guessing its on its way out the door.

And. Could this be True prices?
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Because if that is true, Ryzen 5 2600, for 199 USD, Thats 260 Canadian So its almost the same price, that im paying right now.. For the 1600..

Heres the Website Link if you want to check it out.

https://videocardz.com/75194/amd-ryzen-2000-series-exposed-pricing-performance-leaked

 

EDIT: Very High Chance its fake now that a read the comments.

Spoiler

 

[Jurrunio]

5 minutes ago, Foul said:

Yea, Random Computer Freezes causing me to have to reset my whole computer, It happens on plenty of other peoples FX8350 chips as well so im guessing its on its way out the door.

And. Could this be True prices?
Big Photo vvv

Because if that is true, Ryzen 5 2600, for 199 USD, Thats 260 Canadian So its almost the same price, that im paying right now.. For the 1600..

Heres the Website Link if you want to check it out.

https://videocardz.com/75194/amd-ryzen-2000-series-exposed-pricing-performance-leaked

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Leaked info, especially when it comes to price, are never accurate. Besides, new CPUs always sells for more than what the manufacturer lists.

[Foul]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

Leaked info, especially when it comes to price, are never accurate. Besides, new CPUs always sells for more than what the manufacturer lists.

I know I might be dragging this on, But Just dont wanna get finessed out my $$, I think I saw that there doing releases in like "waves" so they higher chips come out sooner, And the lower end come out later, So like May or something for the 2600, And it seems like theirs not That big of a difference between them when watching YouTube Videos  ( Unless im completely wrong..

 

So if you were in my shoes, Do I wait it out, And you did say its going to probably be more then what the chart says ( If the chart is real that is) And i dont really want to spend even more then what I already might be, if its going to be only a slight difference, But if its a game breaking difference then I guess its worth the wait, But I really dont know, But i guess nobody really knows.

[Jurrunio]

21 minutes ago, Foul said:

I know I might be dragging this on, But Just dont wanna get finessed out my $$, I think I saw that there doing releases in like "waves" so they higher chips come out sooner, And the lower end come out later, So like May or something for the 2600, And it seems like theirs not That big of a difference between them when watching YouTube Videos  ( Unless im completely wrong..

 

So if you were in my shoes, Do I wait it out, And you did say its going to probably be more then what the chart says ( If the chart is real that is) And i dont really want to spend even more then what I already might be, if its going to be only a slight difference, But if its a game breaking difference then I guess its worth the wait, But I really dont know, But i guess nobody really knows.

I will just get the 1600. 1600 is already good for high end graphics cards (GTX 1080? Not a problem) and you wont feel the difference between 1600 and 2600 with a 1050ti anyway. By the time when you feel like upgrading the 1600 again, even the 2600 wont be a new chip anymore and you can just hop on to the newest AM4 Ryzen CPU (or another lineup) at that point.

[Foul]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

I will just get the 1600. 1600 is already good for high end graphics cards (GTX 1080? Not a problem) and you wont feel the difference between 1600 and 2600 with a 1050ti anyway. By the time when you feel like upgrading the 1600 again, even the 2600 wont be a new chip anymore and you can just hop on to the newest AM4 Ryzen CPU (or another lineup) at that point.

Alrighty!

Thanks alot for the help man!

 

Here goes spending 450$ on option two.