Torn between PSU's

[MajorFoley]

So this is my current parts list

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($305.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($149.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($225.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Memory: G.Skill - Flare X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($399.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($209.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Black 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($289.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card  ($799.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Case: be quiet! - Pure Base 600 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($119.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($189.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Optical Drive: Asus - BC-12D2HT Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer  ($89.00 @ Scorptec) 
Monitor: Acer - XB241H bmipr 24.0" 1920x1080 180Hz Monitor  ($499.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Total: $3271.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-02-21 08:31 AEDT+1100

I originally had a RMX650 in this build but someone recommended a seasonic x series 650. It has 3 years less warranty, 7 instead of 10 like the corsairs and costs 20 AUD more
What do you guys think?

 

[CrippledROBOT]

Just now, MajorFoley said:

So this is my current parts list

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor  ($305.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair - H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($149.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($225.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Memory: G.Skill - Flare X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($399.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($209.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Black 4TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($289.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card  ($799.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Case: be quiet! - Pure Base 600 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($119.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Power Supply: SeaSonic - 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($189.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Optical Drive: Asus - BC-12D2HT Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer  ($89.00 @ Scorptec) 
Monitor: Acer - XB241H bmipr 24.0" 1920x1080 180Hz Monitor  ($499.00 @ PCCaseGear) 
Total: $3271.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-02-21 08:31 AEDT+1100

I originally had a RMX650 in this build but someone recommended a seasonic x series 650. It has 3 years less warranty, 7 instead of 10 like the corsairs and costs 20 AUD more
What do you guys think?

 

Honestly, both brands (their support staff, pricing, quality, etc) are great. I've dealt with both and could not be happier. If you plan on keeping your build for 5-10 years, then get the long term warranty (though you shouldn't keep an old PSU and use it with new hardware when that time comes). In that case, whatever you prefer. 

[seon123]

Get the RMx. It's one of the quietest PSUs on the market, and Seasonic is no better than Corsair (arguably worse). 

[MajorFoley]

3 hours ago, seon123 said:

Get the RMx. It's one of the quietest PSUs on the market, and Seasonic is no better than Corsair (arguably worse). 

How is it arguably worse?

[Vegetable]

30 minutes ago, MajorFoley said:

How is it arguably worse?

Quite honestly it's not. They're both equally as great and would happily power a system drawing 650w for the next 5 years. I'd pick whichever looks the best tbh

[seon123]

3 hours ago, MajorFoley said:

How is it arguably worse?

Seasonic doesn't manufacture their own PCBA, so they don't have control over the quality of it. The result being worse QC. Corsair uses CWT, which does the PCBA in house.

[MajorFoley]

On 21/02/2018 at 4:23 PM, seon123 said:

Seasonic doesn't manufacture their own PCBA, so they don't have control over the quality of it. The result being worse QC. Corsair uses CWT, which does the PCBA in house.

Uh that true? You got a link? Cos i think these ones

https://seasonic.com/prime-gold

were supposed to replace the X series that pccasegear has. But i can't seem to find any aussie retailer that sells those ones. Honestly also thinking of switching from that case to a Phanteks Enthoo Pro M Tempered Glass Edition as well.

[seon123]

7 minutes ago, MajorFoley said:

Uh that true? You got a link? Honestly also thinking of switching from that case to a Phanteks Enthoo Pro M Tempered Glass Edition as well.

There's @jonnyGURU, and this post

The case is the most subjective part of the build. It depends more on what you want from a case, rather than what is objectively better. 

[MajorFoley]

10 hours ago, seon123 said:

There's @jonnyGURU, and this post

The case is the most subjective part of the build. It depends more on what you want from a case, rather than what is objectively better. 

Yeah well Be quiet might be a problem with the AIO at the top unless i go down to 120. Issue im finding with Johnny guru is i don't see the specific models i want to compare. Like the Seasonic prime gold one which is the replacement of the X-series he seems to only review the Titanium and not the gold 650w.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=493

[Mick Naughty]

Could get higher wattage psu's for less giving more options down the road. I myself would never do seasonic or 650watt unless is was sff build.

[MajorFoley]

3 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

Could get higher wattage psu's for less giving more options down the road. I myself would never do seasonic or 650watt unless is was sff build.

I know parts have been getting more efficient in builds now but if i ever decide to overclock more or add a couple more drives (which i know wouldn't raise it AS much but still).

[seon123]

11 minutes ago, MajorFoley said:

Yeah well Be quiet might be a problem with the AIO at the top unless i go down to 120. Issue im finding with Johnny guru is i don't see the specific models i want to compare. Like the Seasonic prime gold one which is the replacement of the X-series he seems to only review the Titanium and not the gold 650w.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=493

Don't get the Prime Gold. It's just a loud thing that makes no sense at all. 

https://www.cybenetics.com/index.php?option=database&manfID=12&volts=1

[seon123]

3 minutes ago, MajorFoley said:

I know parts have been getting more efficient in builds now but if i ever decide to overclock more or add a couple more drives (which i know wouldn't raise it AS much but still).

You would have plenty for all of that with a good 450W PSU. 

[Stefan Payne]

On 20.2.2018 at 10:32 PM, MajorFoley said:

I originally had a RMX650 in this build but someone recommended a seasonic x series 650. It has 3 years less warranty, 7 instead of 10 like the corsairs and costs 20 AUD more
What do you guys think?

 

Get the 550W Version, 650W is a waste for that.

And "Headroom" Isn't something that does give you a benefit...

 

2 hours ago, Mick Naughty said:

Could get higher wattage psu's for less giving more options down the road. I myself would never do seasonic or 650watt unless is was sff build.

What the hell are you talking about?!

[Mick Naughty]

4 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Get the 550W Version, 650W is a waste for that.

And "Headroom" Isn't something that does give you a benefit...

 

What the hell are you talking about?!

Exactly what I said. As in either of those psu couldn’t support my mother boards. So i has to go out and get another one for lack of features. Not necessarily a power thing. Quite simple unless you’re new to hardware. 

[Stefan Payne]

52 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

Exactly what I said. As in either of those psu couldn’t support my mother boards. So i has to go out and get another one for lack of features. Not necessarily a power thing. Quite simple unless you’re new to hardware. 

Still makes NO SENSE At all, what you are talking about.

And a higher quality, lower Wattage unit is better than a lower quality, Higher Wattage unit. 

 

The two you have are bullshit for the builds, two Titan Blacks and an 80plus Bronze unit?!

Why not go for a good high quality one??

[Mick Naughty]

2 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

Still makes NO SENSE At all, what you are talking about.

And a higher quality, lower Wattage unit is better than a lower quality, Higher Wattage unit. 

 

The two you have are bullshit for the builds, two Titan Blacks and an 80plus Bronze unit?!

Why not go for a good high quality one??

If my board requires two eps pins and the psu doesn’t have it, I’m out of luck. So yea that crap psu I have in that system just got replaced when the board did as it’s useless. It is a gold unit but that doesn’t say much for quality as that’s just a rating. He isn’t going for quality strictly going off the cpu/gpu. 

[Stefan Payne]

14 minutes ago, Mick Naughty said:

If my board requires two eps pins and the psu doesn’t have it, I’m out of luck.

So you have a dual CPU Board and want to use two CPUs?!
Other than that there is no board to my knowledge that has two EPS.

 

ANd the Board he wants here does NOT even have two EPS Connectors.

And your board doesn't even have two EPS connectors! It has an EPS12V and an ATX12V CPU Connector and does not *REQUIRE* the second connector to be used. No Single CPU Board does that.

[Mick Naughty]

48 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

So you have a dual CPU Board and want to use two CPUs?!
Other than that there is no board to my knowledge that has two EPS.

 

ANd the Board he wants here does NOT even have two EPS Connectors.

And your board doesn't even have two EPS connectors! It has an EPS12V and an ATX12V CPU Connector and does not *REQUIRE* the second connector to be used. No Single CPU Board does that.

Need an 8 pin and a 4 pin. Would rather have a psu that able to work with my hardware changes. As my original has done. Including running 4 1080’s. Do it right the first time concept. But if getting by is enough for some people’s builds even when spending 3k that’s on them I guess. 

[Stefan Payne]

2 hours ago, Mick Naughty said:

Need an 8 pin and a 4 pin.

No, you DO NOT need both!
You need one of those!

 

Even the Manual does not say that you _NEED_ those and since it is a single CPU System, it will work fine with the one 8pin connector. And its highly possible that you don't even need that and that the system will work fine with even a 4pin connector. But I'd recommend using an 8pin anyway. The second connector is OPTIONAL FOR OVERCLOCKING.

 

And since we are talking about Haswell Desktop/Mobile on your Maximus VI Formula, you can't even go to 200W Consumption of the CPU without causing a fire (well, it will swich off long before then normally)...

Because the material between Die and Lid is pretty shitty.

 

2 hours ago, Mick Naughty said:

Would rather have a psu that able to work with my hardware changes.

first you are irrelevant in this Thread, its not about you, its about MajorFoley and what he needs, not what you need.

And for him, a good 450W PSU is more than enough, 650W is just bullshit for him because he wouldn't use it. And every Watt of a PSU you don't use is wasted and just a waste of money, it doesn't give you any benefit at all.l

 

second for a Single GPU/CPU System you need 550W at most, 650W is the most useless Wattage ever - way too much for a Single CPU/GPU System, too little for a multi GPU System. ONly in some corner cases with Ultra High End Hardware a 650W can make sense. Like LGA20xx and AMD TR4. ONLY Then.

 

 

Third:
You can not know what the Future will bring. It is more probable that the upcoming mid range series will consume even less than today and the 250-300W TDP Class will cost much more than today...

 

 

2 hours ago, Mick Naughty said:

As my original has done. Including running 4 1080’s. Do it right the first time concept. But if getting by is enough for some people’s builds even when spending 3k that’s on them I guess. 

And for what purpose do you use the four 1080?!

Let me guess:
Mining.

 

Because it doesn't even work with Games with more than 2 Graphics cards today! Both AMD and nVidia canned support for 4 Graphics cards in Games, only some Benchmark Programms work with 4 GPU. So that leaves only mining and possibly other GPU Calculation stuff - but if that would have been the case, it would have been mentioned...

 

 

Sorry, but what's your point?!
You are completely off topic here and its not about you...

 

 

 

 

[Mick Naughty]

1 hour ago, Stefan Payne said:

No, you DO NOT need both!
You need one of those!

 

Even the Manual does not say that you _NEED_ those and since it is a single CPU System, it will work fine with the one 8pin connector. And its highly possible that you don't even need that and that the system will work fine with even a 4pin connector. But I'd recommend using an 8pin anyway. The second connector is OPTIONAL FOR OVERCLOCKING.

 

And since we are talking about Haswell Desktop/Mobile on your Maximus VI Formula, you can't even go to 200W Consumption of the CPU without causing a fire (well, it will swich off long before then normally)...

Because the material between Die and Lid is pretty shitty.

 

first you are irrelevant in this Thread, its not about you, its about MajorFoley and what he needs, not what you need.

And for him, a good 450W PSU is more than enough, 650W is just bullshit for him because he wouldn't use it. And every Watt of a PSU you don't use is wasted and just a waste of money, it doesn't give you any benefit at all.l

 

second for a Single GPU/CPU System you need 550W at most, 650W is the most useless Wattage ever - way too much for a Single CPU/GPU System, too little for a multi GPU System. ONly in some corner cases with Ultra High End Hardware a 650W can make sense. Like LGA20xx and AMD TR4. ONLY Then.

 

 

Third:
You can not know what the Future will bring. It is more probable that the upcoming mid range series will consume even less than today and the 250-300W TDP Class will cost much more than today...

 

 

And for what purpose do you use the four 1080?!

Let me guess:
Mining.

 

Because it doesn't even work with Games with more than 2 Graphics cards today! Both AMD and nVidia canned support for 4 Graphics cards in Games, only some Benchmark Programms work with 4 GPU. So that leaves only mining and possibly other GPU Calculation stuff - but if that would have been the case, it would have been mentioned...

 

 

Sorry, but what's your point?!
You are completely off topic here and its not about you...

 

 

 

 

Your right isn’t about me. Which is why I stated an opinion on what to get. If I’m gonna waste money I’d rather do it once so I can waste it on other stuff like getting better card. 

The point is he can get something better for that price. Plain and simple. If just getting by and not riding a psu in its efficiently rating, then he can get what ever he wants.

 

Youre the expert so tell him what to get. 

[noobbuilder]

I have had the EVGA supernova g2 750 watt in three different pc's for years and its still going strong .The 650 watt g2 is only $89 @ newegg right now and has 7 year warranty the 750 has 10 year

[MajorFoley]

Sorry havent been aroudn guys been a busy month.

PCcasegear will be getting seasonic prime gold PSU's to replace the x-series ones they have sometime mid april, i'm going to compare prices with the similar corsair one when its there and decide then depending on how much cheaper it is. Otherwise will just go with the corsair one. 

 

Will probably also look for a different case dunno what yet.

[Stefan Payne]

ähh, SRYSLY?!

 

The Replacement for the ancient X-Series is Prime Gold.

 

The Focus are the Replacement for the G-Series.

[MajorFoley]

14 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

ähh, SRYSLY?!

 

The Replacement for the ancient X-Series is Prime Gold.

 

The Focus are the Replacement for the G-Series.

Yeah they are replacing the X-series with those, brought it to their attention and they were ordering some in. But again it will depend on price, i beleive it does have 2 years more warranty than corsair RMx though.