More or less ram sticks

[Sinisterface]

okay so simple question if im building with a ryzen 5 1600 and a 1050 ti 4GB 

Does the amount of ram sticks matter

1 x 8GB stick

or

2 x 4GB stick

 

Mother board has four slots and the price is about 10 GBP cheaper for the single stick

I assume more sticks is better dual channel memory and all but for AAA gaming does it make any real world difference

[Xander Cousins]

Well as you stated Dual Sticks will use Duel Channel memory which in return will get things done faster than a single stick. 

But for AAA Titles I'm not 100% if it makes much of a difference. 

 

In the end comes down to weather you want that £10 to use for something else or not really...

[DarkSmith2]

6 minutes ago, StewartN93 said:

okay so simple question if im building with a ryzen 5 1600 and a 1050 ti 4GB 

Does the amount of ram sticks matter

1 x 8GB stick

or

2 x 4GB stick

 

Mother board has four slots and the price is about 10 GBP cheaper for the single stick

I assume more sticks is better dual channel memory and all but for AAA gaming does it make any real world difference

yes it does matter. with two sticks you can run the memory in "dual channel" (litteraly doubles the bandwidth)

But dont go above 2sticks with ryzen since supported memory clockspeed will drop drastically.

 

[Princess Luna]

Just now, Alex Colson said:

Well as you stated Dual Sticks will use Duel Channel memory which in return will get things done faster than a single stick

Differences are negligible more often than not, over all the 1x8gb is a better choice for upgradability.

[DarkSmith2]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

Differences are negligible more often than not, over all the 1x8gb is a better choice for upgradability.

just dont play anything CPU-Bound XDDD

[ExplosiveSloths]

I always try and go with 1 stick, as you can add another 8Gb for DC later on.

[Princess Luna]

Just now, DarkSmith2 said:

just dont play anything CPU-Bound XDDD

Actually the only time you can see a somewhat noticeable difference is when using iGPU/APU because those rely on the system memory rather than a dedicated GPU with its VRAM.

 

over all single to dual channel on gaming will give you like no more than an extra fps or two, and around 3% better performance on the minimums... it really is far from a big deal, the memory frequency and latency still weights far more than single/dual channel.

[DarkSmith2]

4 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

over all single to dual channel on gaming will give you like no more than an extra fps or two, and around 3% better performance on the minimums... it really is far from a big deal, the memory frequency and latency still weights far more than single/dual channel.

Tell Blizzard this. Maybe in the future it becomes even true.

 

But hey lets have a look at some popular games if this statement hold true:

 

PUBG

 

Overwatch, Witcher3, Ghost Recon Wildlands

 

i could go on for days. i assume you are wrong as we are litteraly seeing 10-100% performance increase in FPS across the board.

[Princess Luna]

 

Over all it isn't worth it, then again depends on how the game is coded... dying light's engine seems to benefit good from it, but over all as I said it is 1fps when it actually isn't inferior hehe...

 

Cheers!

[8-Bit Ninja]

Ryzen benefits from higher ram speeds, so dual channel might make more sense in a build like yours. 

[Madara Uchiha]

go with 1 stick 8gb and keep save money and get 1 more 8gb..totally 16gb.

[DarkSmith2]

6 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Over all it isn't worth it, then again depends on how the game is coded... dying light's engine seems to benefit good from it, but over all as I said it is 1fps when it actually isn't inferior hehe...

 

Cheers!

well i guess either your benchmarks are done in a heavy GPU bottleneck or are fake. Pretty easy. Witcher3 f.e. always benefits from higher Bandwidth on memory it eats it like a maniac. (as shown in the video ive posted btw)

 

Oh wait, wait. I was missing GTAV (whooping 25-30% FPS increase)

 

[Princess Luna]

4 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

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I used to like you until you decide that random benchmarks from unreliable sources are worth more than my experience with hardware for the past 10 years testing this myself.

 

For conclusion, OP get the 1x8gb it offers you more value, if you disagree with me say without quoting, bitte und danke.

[DarkSmith2]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

I used to like you until you decide that random benchmarks from unreliable sources are worth more than my experience with hardware for the past 10 years testing this myself.

well i like you regardless. But also tested this myself, and aslong as you are playing something in a less GPU bottlenecked enviroment, Dual channel is the holy grail. Thats why it got invented in the first place to double Bandwidth. As far as sources go they are endlessly - it was just easier to find something fast on youtube because alot of people are testing it themself and i dont get why this should be less valid when all have the same result but the benchmark results you posted.

 

I agree that 1x8GB gives a much better upgrade position since going 4x4 sticks is nonsense with ryzen. But thats why you dont cheap out on RAM in the first place, especially not with Ryzen and its Infinity Fabric, unless you only want to have 8GB RAM in total forever in the build..

[Princess Luna]

2 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

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Lass es uns dann belassen, /kisses :3

 

The impact of single and dual channel greatly depends on the whole build balance along side the software you're running, it is hard to say your performance gain based on little information OP provided but as mentioned it'd be nice to avoid 4gb sticks nowadays.

[just tilt]

30 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

with two sticks you can run the memory in "dual channel" (litteraly doubles the bandwidth)

 

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@OP 1 stick of 8GB is much better because 8GB isn't that much these days, and if and when you decide to upgrade you can add another 8GB stick.
Dual channel pros are most often negligible, trust me.

 

[DarkSmith2]

6 minutes ago, just tilt said:

Dual channel pros are most often negligible, trust me.

Not in gaming :PP

[Sinisterface]

Thanks ?

 

[just tilt]

21 hours ago, DarkSmith2 said:

Not in gaming :PP

Unless you're transfering upwards of 300-400 GB of data at once multiple times daily/zipping/unzipping large files I'd say go for one 8GB stick.

[MVPernula]

22 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

 

 

22 hours ago, Madara Uchiha said:

 

 

22 hours ago, DarkSmith2 said:

 

 

Hey @DarkSmith2, I really think arguing for something is something you should do.

But right now you have a whole thread telling you one thing while you're saying something else, and you're doing it in a pretty pissy way to be honest.

 

I've been testing this a whole lot, and I'm with @Princess Cadence on this one. Sure there is a difference, but man it's pretty insignificant. I'm sitting on an i7 5820K clocked to 4.4GHz paired with a GTX 1080 clocked to 2.21Ghz and like the MLP guy shows in his statistics- and according to my own tests they're correct across the board.

 

I've tried single/dual/quad setups with 4GB/8GB/16GB modules, and they all basically give the same results with an exeption of 4GB single becuase of a clear RAM limitation. CPU/GPU bottleneck is not a factor, and I tested most of the games he posted as well.

[DarkSmith2]

5 hours ago, MVPernula said:

Hey @DarkSmith2, I really think arguing for something is something you should do.

But right now you have a whole thread telling you one thing while you're saying something else, and you're doing it in a pretty pissy way to be honest.

i dont wanted to sound pissed. I feel sorry if i may have left this impression.

 

However this topic is well discussed all over the internet and benchmarks can be found in both directions. Its literally the same kind of discussion about "is faster RAM worth it" alot of factors have to be considered but generally spoken - Faster RAM is benificial if you are not in a hard GPU bottleneck, some games benefit more and some less, same goes for Single vs Dual channel. So if you are playing on a 720p/1080p resolution with a 5820k and a 1080 its more then likely that you benefit from faster memory. If you play with your 5820k and a GTX1080 on 1440p seeing a benefit is less likely. 

 

5 hours ago, MVPernula said:

CPU/GPU bottleneck is not a factor, and I tested most of the games he posted as well.

then you've done something wrong. (fact)

If a CPU spends 50% of it's time waiting on ram, and you make the ram 50% faster then the CPU will become 1/(.5+.5*.5)= 1.333 times faster.

If it spends 10% of it's time waiting, then the speed up is 1/(.9+.1*.5)= 1.05 times faster.

The benefit is always positive, but depending how well the application can use cache, it may be large or small.