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lukeren
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I'm looking to buy a new CPU, motherboard and RAM. I've been looking at X299 and a 7820X, but I'm not sure if this is better performance than Z370 and a 8700k.

Currently I've got a 980ti, but I'll get whatever NVIDIA dishes out this year.

There doesn't seem to be any benchmarks (that I can find) that compares the two platforms, so I'm at a bit of a loss. I'd hate to spend potentially 50% more and not get any better performance than I would on Z370.

 

Any advice on this?

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Z370 is better. The end.

 

Unless you do streaming and gaming at the same time

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7 minutes ago, lukeren said:

I'm looking to buy a new CPU, motherboard and RAM. I've been looking at X299 and a 7820X, but I'm not sure if this is better performance than Z370 and a 8700k.

Currently I've got a 980ti, but I'll get whatever NVIDIA dishes out this year.

There doesn't seem to be any benchmarks (that I can find) that compares the two platforms, so I'm at a bit of a loss. I'd hate to spend potentially 50% more and not get any better performance than I would on Z370.

 

Any advice on this?

The real question you should ask is Intel Z370 vs Ryzen B350/X370.

 

X299 is a terrible value at the moment.

Judge a product on its own merits AND the company that made it.

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I'm an Intel fanboi, so AMD isn't even on my radar.

I know that X299 is at a premium, my question isn't about value, it's about pure performance.

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2 hours ago, lukeren said:

I'm an Intel fanboi, so AMD isn't even on my radar.

I know that X299 is at a premium, my question isn't about value, it's about pure performance.

Then get an i7-8700K. It's better for gaming.

Judge a product on its own merits AND the company that made it.

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Ah well ... The X299 platform seems sexy, but I'm not going to spend the premium and get nothing out of it.

Thanks for all your replies :)

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Yeah the i7 8700k games much better because of Ring Cache, x299 uses Mesh Cache which declines gaming performance, so much to the level where the older i7 6900k is better at gaming than the i7 7820x.

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1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

Yeah the i7 8700k games much better because of Ring Cache, x299 uses Mesh Cache which declines gaming performance, so much to the level where the older i7 6900k is better at gaming than the i7 7820x.

*Ring Bus.

**Mesh

 

Neither have anything to do with Cache.

Judge a product on its own merits AND the company that made it.

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Just now, AluminiumTech said:

*Ring Bus.

**Mesh

 

Neither have anything to do with Cache.

Yeah I just woke up, still... that is part of the reason.

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29 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Yeah I just woke up, still... that is part of the reason.

Also, the 7820X is affected by having L3 cache as victim cache and having less L2 cache than the 6900K.

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3 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

Yeah the i7 8700k games much better because of Ring Cache, x299 uses Mesh Cache which declines gaming performance, so much to the level where the older i7 6900k is better at gaming than the i7 7820x.

Really? These are tests done in July without any of the later microcode update that improved skylake-x game performance. Seems back when skylake-x launched they are the same at the same clock speed and skylake-x overclocks much better. Tests begin at the 9 minute mark vs the 6900k

 

 

 

As for the original poster, if your just gaming get the 8700k. If you have the cash and do more than just game (especially at 1440p+), get x299.

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My monitor is 1440p@60hz and gaming is the most intense workload that I do with it.

Money isn't an issue, but I still wouldn't want to spend on x299 if it doesn't offer anything extra for the money.

 

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24 minutes ago, lukeren said:

My monitor is 1440p@60hz and gaming is the most intense workload that I do with it.

Money isn't an issue, but I still wouldn't want to spend on x299 if it doesn't offer anything extra for the money.

 

If that's the case get the 8700k, put the money you save towards a higher refresh rate monitor then.

 

Just an FYI my "crappy gaming" 7820x@4.8ghz paired with my 1080ti has no problem pushing frames well over 144hz@1440p.

 

 

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X299 will yield less performance than an 8700K will in gaming. The end. The 8700K has six cores and twelve threads, so it will still crush multithreaded workloads.

 

Get yourself an 8700K and be happy.

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Case: NZXT S340 Elite

 

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CPU: Ryzen 9 5900HS

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RAM: 16GB @3200 MHz

 

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RAM: 32GB G.Skill Trident Z CL16 3200 MHz

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25 minutes ago, AMGPower said:

If that's the case get the 8700k, put the money you save towards a higher refresh rate monitor then.

 

Just an FYI my "crappy gaming" 7820x@4.8ghz paired with my 1080ti has no problem pushing frames well over 144hz@1440p.

 

 

I think I'll do that. I'll wait with the monitor until I have a graphicscard actually able to run the refreshrate though :)

23 minutes ago, Emberstone said:

X299 will yield less performance than an 8700K will in gaming. The end. The 8700K has six cores and twelve threads, so it will still crush multithreaded workloads.

 

Get yourself an 8700K and be happy.

Sir, yes sir! ;)

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10 hours ago, Emberstone said:

X299 will yield less performance than an 8700K will in gaming. The end. The 8700K has six cores and twelve threads, so it will still crush multithreaded workloads.

 

Get yourself an 8700K and be happy.

I have an 8700k and I'm unhappy.

 

For it won't go past 5 giggawiggles and needs too much voltage for that.

 

I demand 10 giggawiggles.

Linus is my fetish.

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Just now, Bhav said:

Somewhere up with the odd dimms on that board?

Its got 2 standard ddr4 modules and 1 DIMM.2 for 2 nvme drives.

Want to custom loop?  Ask me more if you are curious

 

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1 hour ago, Bhav said:

I demand 10 giggawiggles.

Here's a thought: an FX-8370 or 9590 will get you closer to that than an 8700K can.

 

Not even kidding.

Current Build:

CPU: Ryzen 7 5800X3D

GPU: RTX 3080 Ti FE

RAM: 32GB G.Skill Trident Z CL16 3200 MHz

Mobo: Asus Tuf X570 Plus Wifi

CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X53

PSU: EVGA G6 Supernova 850

Case: NZXT S340 Elite

 

Current Laptop:

Model: Asus ROG Zephyrus G14

CPU: Ryzen 9 5900HS

GPU: RTX 3060

RAM: 16GB @3200 MHz

 

Old PC:

CPU: Intel i7 8700K @4.9 GHz/1.315v

RAM: 32GB G.Skill Trident Z CL16 3200 MHz

Mobo: Asus Prime Z370-A

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6 minutes ago, Emberstone said:

Here's a thought: an FX-8370 or 9590 will get you closer to that than an 8700K can.

 

Not even kidding.

Well yea, but then the core performance is too low.

Linus is my fetish.

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1 minute ago, Bhav said:

Well yea, but then the core performance is too low.

B-but... 8.7 giggawiggles?

 

(jk I know it'll still be worse than most Ryzen chips or even an i3-8100 in gaming)

Current Build:

CPU: Ryzen 7 5800X3D

GPU: RTX 3080 Ti FE

RAM: 32GB G.Skill Trident Z CL16 3200 MHz

Mobo: Asus Tuf X570 Plus Wifi

CPU Cooler: NZXT Kraken X53

PSU: EVGA G6 Supernova 850

Case: NZXT S340 Elite

 

Current Laptop:

Model: Asus ROG Zephyrus G14

CPU: Ryzen 9 5900HS

GPU: RTX 3060

RAM: 16GB @3200 MHz

 

Old PC:

CPU: Intel i7 8700K @4.9 GHz/1.315v

RAM: 32GB G.Skill Trident Z CL16 3200 MHz

Mobo: Asus Prime Z370-A

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