Here I am once again asking for advice.

[RayJW]

Some time ago I asked you guys for some help building my first own PC. Back then I decided not to pull it off  because my PC still ran decently. Now the 16 GB DDR3 RAM and the i7-4770 starts slowing me down really good in 4K Video editing, photo editing, coding and even browsing. Not sure if they affect my gaming experience too, but my GTX 970 already bothers me enough in AAA games. 

Now I wanna use around 2‘000 USD for my new build. I used my old one from some months ago and changed some things. But since there have been new Intel CPU‘s etc. is this build still any good? And should I still go with Ryzen? If I didn‘t answer something correctly try checking out my old post or just ask. 

Thanks for any help in advance

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/RayJW/saved/mRsP6h

[Jurrunio]

So the budget is 1700 euros?

[kelvinhall05]

1. I'd personally get an AIO for that chip at this budget.

2. You probably don't need thermal paste, but it's fine if you include it.

3. I'd get a WD Black, Blues are budget drives IMO.

4. Ewwww, green case and black components? Yuck.

[zombienerd]

Your build still looks good.  If you have the extra budget headroom, upgrade to a 1800x CPU, toss in a nice AIO cooler, and maybe a better HDD (5400rpm is sloooow)

[RayJW]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

So the budget is 1700 euros?

No, actually it‘s 2‘000 CHF. You can check the swiss prizes here: https://beta.toppreise.ch/en

[RayJW]

2 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

1. I'd personally get an AIO for that chip at this budget.

2. You probably don't need thermal paste, but it's fine if you include it.

3. I'd get a WD Black, Blues are budget drives IMO.

4. Ewwww, green case and black components? Yuck.

1. I thought they are overpriced in comparison to performance. But now that I think about it I probably want to OC the shit out of this 1700, so fair enough. Any recommendations? 

2. I have none at home because this is the first build I have ever done. So yes I do need it. Or do you mean I don‘t need to apply any? 

3. Yeah, I‘ll change that. I really want a fast one now that I think about it. Probably messed that up. 

4. Ehm, I have no idea what case... this really is just a placeholder rn. So throw your submissions in. 

[RayJW]

4 minutes ago, zombienerd said:

Your build still looks good.  If you have the extra budget headroom, upgrade to a 1800x CPU, toss in a nice AIO cooler, and maybe a better HDD (5400rpm is sloooow)

1. I probably want to overclock this thing into hell. So I‘m not sure if a 1800X really is worth it. But the AIO is a good idea. Any idea? What about the Corsair one? 

2. And yes, I‘ll swap this thing for a WD black out. Messed that up. 

[Jurrunio]

4 minutes ago, RayJW said:

I probably want to overclock this thing into hell. So I‘m not sure if a 1800X really is worth it. But the AIO is a good idea

Will this turn into a fully watercooled build? BTW even the best chip cant go past 4.2GHz wall while standard 1700s get 3.9GHz under liquid cooling, so no need for a 1800x.

[RayJW]

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Will this turn into a fully watercooled build? BTW even the best chip cant go past 4.2GHz wall while standard 1700s get 3.9GHz under liquid cooling, so no need for a 1800x.

No I don‘t think it‘s worth it. Just an AIO for the CPU. And that‘s exactly what I thought. I think the 1700 is by far the best value. 

[kelvinhall05]

41 minutes ago, RayJW said:

1. I thought they are overpriced in comparison to performance. But now that I think about it I probably want to OC the shit out of this 1700, so fair enough. Any recommendations? 

2. I have none at home because this is the first build I have ever done. So yes I do need it. Or do you mean I don‘t need to apply any? 

3. Yeah, I‘ll change that. I really want a fast one now that I think about it. Probably messed that up. 

4. Ehm, I have no idea what case... this really is just a placeholder rn. So throw your submissions in. 

1. H100i V2.

2. It might come pre-applied, but I'd get it anyways. You'll need it if you clean your PC in the future.

3. Good.

4. I haven't been in the case market for a while, but I'd take a look at the S340 Elite from NZXT.

[Jurrunio]

Ok then this is what I can find that look like good picks to me

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 1700 at CHF 317.4

 

Motherboard: Asus Prime X370 Pro at CHF 170 performs very well but it is white. Asus ROG Strix X370-F at CHF 216 has great performance and matches many color schemes, but it is expensive. MSI B350 Gaming Pro Carbon at CHF 129 also has great power delivery, RGB design and is cheap for the performance. However MSI does have problems with RAM support so you have to find one that's specifically listed as compatible (which can lead to choosing expensive memory and ruins the point of being cheap).

 

RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX Black 2x16 3000MHz CL15 at CHF 323 . 3200MHz ones are negligibly faster but costs noticeably more, so no need to spend more for those.

 

HDD: WD Blue 4TB 5400RPM at CHF 112.4 Slow, but with a large SSD, this shouldnt be an issue.

 

SSD: Crucial MX300 525GB at CHF 148 Noticeably cheaper than the 850 evo, just as reliable. Samsung 850 Evo 500GB at CHF 178 still the fastest SATA SSD at this capacity level no doubt.

 

GPU: MSI GTX 1080Ti Gaming X at CHF 801 Cheapest 1080ti that's good. Blower coolers on 1080ti are far from enough cooling. MSI 1080ti Armor is cheaper with same board design as the Gaming X, but the terrible cooler makes it specifically used for aftermarket water cooling conversions. Zotac 1080ti suffers from poor VRM cooling.

 

Power supply: EVGA GQ 650W 80+ Gold at CHF 92.2 Cheapest PSU that's good and has more than enough wattage. Modular cables stops the cable mess.

 

I dont really know about the rest, so I'll leave those for the more experienced.

[RayJW]

15 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

1. H100i V2.

2. It might come pre-applied, but I'd get it anyways. You'll need it if you clean your PC in the future.

3. Good.

4. I haven't been in the case market for a while, but I'd take a look at the S340 Elite from NZXT.

Ok I‘ll look at it later and keep you updated. Not at my PC right now. But seems fair enough for me. Thanks for your advice. 

[RayJW]

13 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Ok then this is what I can find that look like good picks to me

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 1700 at CHF 317.4

 

Motherboard: Asus Prime X370 Pro at CHF 170 performs very well but it is white. Asus ROG Strix X370-F at CHF 216 has great performance and matches many color schemes, but it is expensive. MSI B350 Gaming Pro Carbon at CHF 129 also has great power delivery, RGB design and is cheap for the performance. However MSI does have problems with RAM support so you have to find one that's specifically listed as compatible (which can lead to choosing expensive memory and ruins the point of being cheap).

 

RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX Black 2x16 3000MHz CL15 at CHF 323 . 3200MHz ones are negligibly faster but costs noticeably more, so no need to spend more for those.

 

HDD: WD Blue 4TB 5400RPM at CHF 112.4 Slow, but with a large SSD, this shouldnt be an issue.

 

SSD: Crucial MX300 525GB at CHF 148 Noticeably cheaper than the 850 evo, just as reliable. Samsung 850 Evo 500GB at CHF 178 still the fastest SATA SSD at this capacity level no doubt.

 

GPU: MSI GTX 1080Ti Gaming X at CHF 801 Cheapest 1080ti that's good. Blower coolers on 1080ti are far from enough cooling. MSI 1080ti Armor is cheaper with same board design as the Gaming X, but the terrible cooler makes it specifically used for aftermarket water cooling conversions. Zotac 1080ti suffers from poor VRM cooling.

 

Power supply: EVGA GQ 650W 80+ Gold at CHF 92.2 Cheapest PSU that's good and has enough wattage. Modular cables stops the cable mess.

 

I dont really know about the rest, so I'll leave those for the more experienced.

Looks good to me. I‘ll make some changes and tell you my updated build. Mostly those were exactly the thoughts I had while deciding what to take. 

[RayJW]

@Jurrunio@kelvinhall05

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/HgyvzM

So, this is what I came up with in the end. Sadly I'm at 2'400 right now which goes quite over my budget. Not sure where I could save a bit. But I guess it isn't too bad in the end. I guess that's my final build then. Hopefully, I'll be able to start it out anytime soon. But anyway I tagged you two to thank you for your help, enjoy your Christmas! 

[Jurrunio]

5 minutes ago, RayJW said:

. Not sure where I could save a bit.

1. The hard drive. Performance is good but it is expensive. With a large SSD, you can use a slow HDD for mass storage and it wouldnt hurt the user experience.

 

2. The CPU cooler. Ryzen can only overclock to about 4GHz and doesnt get too hot at that stage, to a point even the stock cooler can get the job done. You can either get the AIO later and use the stock one first, or use a larger-than-stock-one air cooler.

 

3. Motherboard. X370 Gaming Pro Carbon is pretty much B350 Gaming Pro Carbon with SLI support. You can get the cheaper B350 one

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, RayJW said:

@Jurrunio@kelvinhall05

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/HgyvzM

So, this is what I came up with in the end. Sadly I'm at 2'400 right now which goes quite over my budget. Not sure where I could save a bit. But I guess it isn't too bad in the end. I guess that's my final build then. Hopefully, I'll be able to start it out anytime soon. But anyway I tagged you two to thank you for your help, enjoy your Christmas! 

You could save money on the cooler because you don't need a high end one for Ryzen. A cheap Cryorig H7 would do the trick if you want an aftermarket option.

 

That case is expensive. That would be another area to save money.

 

There might be cheaper options for the hard drive. Seagate have the Barracuda Pro (Green label) which is aimed at workstation type builds. They come with 5 year warranties like the WD Black.

 

A Bitfenix Whisper M or Seasonic Focus Gold 650W might be cheaper than that BeQuiet psu. Depends on your local prices.

 

[RayJW]

1 hour ago, lee32uk said:

You could save money on the cooler because you don't need a high end one for Ryzen. A cheap Cryorig H7 would do the trick if you want an aftermarket option.

 

That case is expensive. That would be another area to save money.

 

There might be cheaper options for the hard drive. Seagate have the Barracuda Pro (Green label) which is aimed at workstation type builds. They come with 5 year warranties like the WD Black.

 

A Bitfenix Whisper M or might be cheaper than that BeQuiet psu. Depends on your local prices.

 

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1. What I thought, Ryzen performs really good in temperature. That's because I thought a normal air cooler is enough. But 2 people recommended AIO so I thought I missed something. So do you think a Scythe Mugen 5 would get me to around 4 GHz?
 

2. I know but as I said I have no experience in cases and opinions really spread in this area. Do you think the FRACTAL DESIGN Meshify C could serve me the same?

 

3. About the drive, I just had the best experience in the past with WD and I really need the speed because as I will run my games on this drive, I will edit my 4K footage on this drive and so on. 

 

4. They are both actually more expensive here in Switzerland. I think with 92.- I got a pretty good price. 

[RayJW]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

1. The hard drive. Performance is good but it is expensive. With a large SSD, you can use a slow HDD for mass storage and it wouldnt hurt the user experience.

 

2. The CPU cooler. Ryzen can only overclock to about 4GHz and doesnt get too hot at that stage, to a point even the stock cooler can get the job done. You can either get the AIO later and use the stock one first, or use a larger-than-stock-one air cooler.

 

3. Motherboard. X370 Gaming Pro Carbon is pretty much B350 Gaming Pro Carbon with SLI support. You can get the cheaper B350 one

1. I think I really need the performance since I won't only use it as mass storage but also for my footage I edit and games. So I think it won't hurt to invest a bit there.

 

2. Yes, as I said in my comment before. I think an AIO is an overkill because Ryzen performed pretty good in recent overclocking. But people recommended me an AIO so I thought I missed something. But how about the Scythe Mugen 5?

 

3. I think I will stick with this one. It's only a 50.- difference and I will probably upgrade to something in SLI later. Because at this price I really don't want to build a new PC in the next 5 years or so. So keeping my upgradeability right there is pretty important for me. 

[Jurrunio]

5 minutes ago, RayJW said:

2. Yes, as I said in my comment before. I think an AIO is an overkill because Ryzen performed pretty good in recent overclocking. But people recommended me an AIO so I thought I missed something. But how about the Scythe Mugen 5?

 

An AIO can allow an extra 100MHz to 200MHz than the stock cooler, that's it, which makes it terrible value for the gains. People just shouts AIO all the time because they are still thinking of FX CPUs. With Ryzen even a good air cooler can get you extra 100Mhz than the stock cooler at lower cost than an AIO. Mugen 5 isnt listed as AM4 supported.

 

8 minutes ago, RayJW said:

3. I think I will stick with this one. It's only a 50.- difference and I will probably upgrade to something in SLI later. Because at this price I really don't want to build a new PC in the next 5 years or so. So keeping my upgradeability right there is pretty important for me. 

SLI is not worth going for since you have to worry about SLI support (and the current trend is to phase out SLI and Crossfire). If you really want to then I cant stop you right?

[RayJW]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

An AIO can allow an extra 100MHz to 200MHz than the stock cooler, that's it, which makes it terrible value for the gains. People just shouts AIO all the time because they are still thinking of FX CPUs. With Ryzen even a good air cooler can get you extra 100Mhz than the stock cooler at lower cost than an AIO. Mugen 5 isnt listed as AM4 supported.

 

SLI is not worth going for since you have to worry about SLI support (and the current trend is to phase out SLI and Crossfire). If you really want to then I cant stop you right?

1. Scythe Mugen 5 PCGH-Edition, sry mixed that up.

 

2. Well, you can honestly. But do I lose really nothing if I switch to the B350 or should I go with a cheaper X370 motherboard?

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, RayJW said:

1. Scythe Mugen 5 PCGH-Edition, sry mixed that up.

No harm in doing so. Air coolers last very long and are easy to repair so I dont see why you shouldnt spend that money. It's not necessary but you can do it.

 

2 minutes ago, RayJW said:

2. Well, you can honestly. But do I lose really nothing if I switch to the B350 or should I go with a cheaper X370 motherboard?

You only lose SLI support and a PCIe x16 (B350 still has 2). SLI itself isnt a cost-efficient way to get more performance, and you need a more powerful power supply to handle SLI as well.

 

Cheaper X370s have weaker power delivery which is why I use the Gaming Pro Carbon.

[RayJW]

51 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

No harm in doing so. Air coolers last very long and are easy to repair so I dont see why you shouldnt spend that money. It's not necessary but you can do it.

 

You only lose SLI support and a PCIe x16 (B350 still has 2). SLI itself isnt a cost-efficient way to get more performance, and you need a more powerful power supply to handle SLI as well.

 

Cheaper X370s have weaker power delivery which is why I use the Gaming Pro Carbon.

Ok, you won. So the Scythe Mugen 5 PCGH-Edition and the B350 Gaming Pro Carbon it is. Thanks for your help again.