Requesting opinions on a planned build

[Draylock]

Hello! I'm planning to buy myself a new PC and I want it to be basically as good as possible, without riduculous overkills. So, not quite a Compensator level, but a very high-end gig. I would like to hear your opinions and suggestions for the list I've made. I did my fair share of research when compiling it, but I'm sort of new to this (only built 2 PCs before and never in such a price range), so any advice would be helpful.

 

The list - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Mx6tVY

 

1. Budget & Location

3-4k USD, Ukraine. Getting my hands on some of the parts might be tricky, but I've got some ideas for that.

 

2. Aim

Purely gaming. With an extremely low chance of some video editing.

 

3. Monitors

2, with the second one being purely peripheral for YouTube/browsing/etc. I'm planning to use my current monitor for that. The main one is in the list. 

 

4. Peripherals

Included in the list. 

 

5. Why are you upgrading?

To be completely honest - because I can. I know that sounds uncredibly douchy and I appologize for that, but I've recently got a new job and promotion and now I can afford a really good PC. Besides, my current one is kinda getting old.

 

I'd like to point out, that I'm completely indiferrent to RGB or 'showcasing'. I mean if it looks good - that's a bonus, but never the goal.

 

Thanks in advance!

[Jurrunio]

Seems nice. Why two SSDs? Just get a large one and put all the software in.

[Draylock]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Seems nice. Why two SSDs? Just get a large one and put all the software in.

I thought it would make sense to use one purely for the OS/utility, the other one for "needy"/current games and the HDD for low-load thing like LoL etc. Or is that redundant?

[Psittac]

A few thought's to consider

 

a larger ssd is faster than a smaller one (per recent tech quickie)  

Two same sized ssd's in raid 0 would give better performance, no need to seperate

sandisk has no dram so slower speed and shorter life (per recent tech quickie) also they are the only ssd's I've used to die from use 

 

if overclocking double check the AIO to see what it can handle

and if possible get hands on with the peripherals you plan on buying, being able to get a feel for mouse shape or keyboard click makes a big difference.  If not possible logitech makes good products so you don't have to worry much.

 

edit: I found out that I prefer a 10 keyless keyboard because the way my hands naturally set apart from eachother. If your mouse is always bumping your keyboard a smaller one would be a good idea

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, Draylock said:

I thought it would make sense to use one purely for the OS/utility, the other one for "needy"/current games and the HDD for low-load thing like LoL etc. Or is that redundant?

No not really. When OS is loaded it no longer stresses the storage, which leaves bandwidth for apps.

[Draylock]

7 hours ago, Psittac said:

A few thought's to consider

 

a larger ssd is faster than a smaller one (per recent tech quickie)  

Two same sized ssd's in raid 0 would give better performance, no need to seperate

sandisk has no dram so slower speed and shorter life (per recent tech quickie) also they are the only ssd's I've used to die from use 

 

if overclocking double check the AIO to see what it can handle

and if possible get hands on with the peripherals you plan on buying, being able to get a feel for mouse shape or keyboard click makes a big difference.  If not possible logitech makes good products so you don't have to worry much.

 

edit: I found out that I prefer a 10 keyless keyboard because the way my hands naturally set apart from eachother. If your mouse is always bumping your keyboard a smaller one would be a good idea

 

6 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

No not really. When OS is loaded it no longer stresses the storage, which leaves bandwidth for apps.

Thank you both! Any advice on  which SSD is a good choice then? Let's say, I wanna go double 480gb.

[Jurrunio]

6 minutes ago, Draylock said:

 

Thank you both! Any advice on  which SSD is a good choice then? Let's say, I wanna go double 480gb.

Crucial MX300 and Adata SU800 are usually best value deals

[Guest]

Drop the Ram down to 16GB. You don't need 32GB for gaming.

 

I would go with a 280mm or even 360mm AIO if you plan on doing a max overclock. Of course you need a case that can take either.

 

Just go with a single large SSD such as a 1TB MX300 or 850 EVO.

 

I would go with an Asus Strix depending on the price difference. The water cooled gpu's are maybe quieter but you have an extra failure point with the AIO.

 

A 650W psu would be enough for this system.

[Draylock]

6 hours ago, lee32uk said:

Drop the Ram down to 16GB. You don't need 32GB for gaming.

 

I would go with a 280mm or even 360mm AIO if you plan on doing a max overclock. Of course you need a case that can take either.

 

Just go with a single large SSD such as a 1TB MX300 or 850 EVO.

 

I would go with an Asus Strix depending on the price difference. The water cooled gpu's are maybe quieter but you have an extra failure point with the AIO.

 

A 650W psu would be enough for this system.

Thanks! I've made the adjustments to the list - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L98NXH.

 

Some questions though:

1) Isn't a dedicated SSD for the OS a must-have? Or is it only in cases the main storage isn't an SSD?

2) Any comment regarding the choice of the HDD, Monitor, Case? Those are the ones I found to be good in reviews, but maybe you had a personal experience with any of the manufacturers.

 

[PCMasterDebater]

26 minutes ago, Draylock said:

Thanks! I've made the adjustments to the list - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L98NXH.

 

Some questions though:

1) Isn't a dedicated SSD for the OS a must-have? Or is it only in cases the main storage isn't an SSD?

2) Any comment regarding the choice of the HDD, Monitor, Case? Those are the ones I found to be good in reviews, but maybe you had a personal experience with any of the manufacturers.

 

These are opinion based questions.

 

In my opinion, its smarter to have two smaller SSD's than one big one. SSD's can and do get bricked from simple mistakes and those that are suggesting 1 large SSD are ignoring this. Often times, speed isn't always the right answer its dependability.

 

Personally, on all my computers, I have a small (256gb) SSD for the Operating system, drivers, and any software such as Precision X, Core Temp, CPUID, etc. - I wont transfer anything to or from this drive to avoid any errors or mistakes. That way my computer is always ready to go.

 

The Second SSD is larger (512gb or more) is for games and stress tests/benchmakers - Transfers from 2nd to third drive is common. If it gets bricked, then I can download/play from the third or fourth drive.

 

Third Drive (HDD or SSD - 1TB or larger) for pictures, videos, older games - Same thing, if its bricked, I can use the other drives

 

Fourth Drive - Internal or external (HDD or SSD - 4TB) for backup

 

If you have one SSD and its bricked. Then you either need a second computer to RMA the SSD, or a second computer just to edit/play that night.

 

Hope this helps. Good luck.

[Draylock]

1 hour ago, PCMasterDebater said:

These are opinion based questions.

 

In my opinion, its smarter to have two smaller SSD's than one big one. SSD's can and do get bricked from simple mistakes and those that are suggesting 1 large SSD are ignoring this. Often times, speed isn't always the right answer its dependability.

 

Personally, on all my computers, I have a small (256gb) SSD for the Operating system, drivers, and any software such as Precision X, Core Temp, CPUID, etc. - I wont transfer anything to or from this drive to avoid any errors or mistakes. That way my computer is always ready to go.

 

The Second SSD is larger (512gb or more) is for games and stress tests/benchmakers - Transfers from 2nd to third drive is common. If it gets bricked, then I can download/play from the third or fourth drive.

 

Third Drive (HDD or SSD - 1TB or larger) for pictures, videos, older games - Same thing, if its bricked, I can use the other drives

 

Fourth Drive - Internal or external (HDD or SSD - 4TB) for backup

 

If you have one SSD and its bricked. Then you either need a second computer to RMA the SSD, or a second computer just to edit/play that night.

 

Hope this helps. Good luck.

Hello and thanks for your input!

 

How often did you encounter fatal errors with SSDs? Except for countering a single point of failure for the entire system, are there any other reasons to have a dedicated SSD for the system?

[Guest]

1 hour ago, PCMasterDebater said:

These are opinion based questions.

 

In my opinion, its smarter to have two smaller SSD's than one big one. SSD's can and do get bricked from simple mistakes and those that are suggesting 1 large SSD are ignoring this. Often times, speed isn't always the right answer its dependability.

 

Personally, on all my computers, I have a small (256gb) SSD for the Operating system, drivers, and any software such as Precision X, Core Temp, CPUID, etc. - I wont transfer anything to or from this drive to avoid any errors or mistakes. That way my computer is always ready to go.

 

The Second SSD is larger (512gb or more) is for games and stress tests/benchmakers - Transfers from 2nd to third drive is common. If it gets bricked, then I can download/play from the third or fourth drive.

 

Third Drive (HDD or SSD - 1TB or larger) for pictures, videos, older games - Same thing, if its bricked, I can use the other drives

 

Fourth Drive - Internal or external (HDD or SSD - 4TB) for backup

 

If you have one SSD and its bricked. Then you either need a second computer to RMA the SSD, or a second computer just to edit/play that night.

 

Hope this helps. Good luck.

You realise that SSD's are very reliable ? Not sure what 'simple mistakes' you are talking about but it is pretty hard to mess up an SSD.

 

Also a 256GB SSD just for windows is a waste as you will have 200GB or so just doing nothing. Much better to have a single large SSD and use the rest for games.

 

 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Draylock said:

Thanks! I've made the adjustments to the list - https://pcpartpicker.com/list/L98NXH.

 

Some questions though:

1) Isn't a dedicated SSD for the OS a must-have? Or is it only in cases the main storage isn't an SSD?

2) Any comment regarding the choice of the HDD, Monitor, Case? Those are the ones I found to be good in reviews, but maybe you had a personal experience with any of the manufacturers.

 

No point getting an SSD just for Windows. I would just go with a single SSD and the remaining space is then not wasted. Also small SSD's are usually a lot slower than bigger capacity ones.

 

The hard drive looks fine as Western Digital are good. You could look at an IPS monitor if you want better colour reproduction. The S340 is a decent case so if you like it then go with it. You will have to put the cooler in the front though as it won't fit in the roof unless you want to mod it.

[PCMasterDebater]

16 hours ago, Draylock said:

Hello and thanks for your input!

 

How often did you encounter fatal errors with SSDs? Except for countering a single point of failure for the entire system, are there any other reasons to have a dedicated SSD for the system?

 

I have encountered countless SSD failures using them over the last 9 years in my own rigs and my wife's laptops. If I had to count; well over 30. They have failed for 'reasons' and other times, for no reason at all.  NAND flash chips can simply stop working at anytime.

 

15 hours ago, lee32uk said:

No point getting an SSD just for Windows. I would just go with a single SSD and the remaining space is then not wasted. Also small SSD's are usually a lot slower than bigger capacity ones.

 

The hard drive looks fine as Western Digital are good. You could look at an IPS monitor if you want better colour reproduction. The S340 is a decent case so if you like it then go with it. You will have to put the cooler in the front though as it won't fit in the roof unless you want to mod it.

Yes I realize SSD's are reliable but the inexperienced likely haven't had any SSD's brick on them. Simple mistakes you ask? As a PC enthusiast you can't come up with one on your own?

 

A file Transfer to a SSD and the power goes out? Yup, that will brick a SSD. More often then not its not fixable and requires an RMA.

A failed firmware update? that can brick it

Google: "Bricked SSD" - that should give you enough reasons to have two over one.

Simple mistake? How about your pet unplugs your computer or hits the power button? Shit happens   ;p

 

If the OP bricks his large single SSD then he'll have no computer to use while he RMA's the drive. Who wants that in this day an age?

 

If someone were to buy a 512gb SSD, its better to have two 256gb SSD's. If the secondary SSD fail's? Load up the game onto the OS and game on. From a reliability stand point, this makes the most sense. As a business owner, I have learned reliability is invaluable and I highly recommend it.

 

You may not agree but fact is this topic is opinion based an we both have our own.

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, PCMasterDebater said:

 

I have encountered countless SSD failures using them over the last 9 years in my own rigs and my wife's laptops. If I had to count; well over 30. They have failed for 'reasons' and other times, for no reason at all.  NAND flash chips can simply stop working at anytime.

 

Yes I realize SSD's are reliable but the inexperienced likely haven't had any SSD's brick on them. Simple mistakes you ask? As a PC enthusiast you can't come up with one on your own?

 

A file Transfer to a SSD and the power goes out? Yup, that will brick a SSD. More often then not its not fixable and requires an RMA.

A failed firmware update? that can brick it

Google: "Bricked SSD" - that should give you enough reasons to have two over one.

Simple mistake? How about your pet unplugs your computer or hits the power button? Shit happens   ;p

 

If the OP bricks his large single SSD then he'll have no computer to use while he RMA's the drive. Who wants that in this day an age?

 

If someone were to buy a 512gb SSD, its better to have two 256gb SSD's. If the secondary SSD fail's? Load up the game onto the OS and game on. From a reliability stand point, this makes the most sense. As a business owner, I have learned reliability is invaluable and I highly recommend it.

 

You may not agree but fact is this topic is opinion based an we both have our own.

 

You are either doing something seriously wrong or you just have incredible bad luck.

 

So your proof that an SSD will be bricked is just random people talking on the internet ? You realise that if this was a thing there would be a huge issue made about it ? 

 

Anyone can have an SSD or HDD die on them. Doesn't mean it is a common occurrence.

 

And if the op lives in a place that is prone to power outages then he should invest in a UPS.

[Psittac]

I have a couple bricked SSD's, most of them came from my blind friends desktop.  The old gpu I used from my old machine had the fan die on it, I smacked the power strip while turning on his machine one time, I got a new case where he would randomly bump the reset button on accident (he's blind and this reset button was not recessed like his old case).  I know for a fact two ssd's were bricked in his system if not 3.

 

In two of the AMD machines I built about 3-4 years ago with sandisk ssd's they both pooped out about the same time.

 

And then somehow I bricked one of my own ssd's but don't remember how.

 

So that's at least 5 ssd's that are dead over the past 6-7 years, 2 from wearing out, 3 from power failure.

 

Although, back to the OP, he is writing on this forum with a computer right now, so he just needs to keep the machine he's on, use his phone, or use a friends computer to RMA.