Workstation/Gaming CPU needed

[jamesfindlay3]

For my build i have a ryzen 1500x chosen would it be better to go intel, for example a 7500. Thanks a lot

[Walt]

Depends on your need and use of the build. What is your further build and what budget?

[jamesfindlay3]

1 minute ago, Walt said:

Depends on your need and use of the build. What is your further build and what budget?

Just a mixed workstation and gaming build here is the build on pc part picker:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/X4YWpb

[Mi26]

2 minutes ago, jamesfindlay3 said:

Just a mixed workstation and gaming build here is the build on pc part picker:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/X4YWpb

Why not pay a bit more for Ryzen 5 1600

[SeanAngelo]

4 minutes ago, jamesfindlay3 said:

Just a mixed workstation and gaming build here is the build on pc part picker:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/X4YWpb

i'd go for the 1600 instead

[Herman Mcpootis]

if you cut back on a few parts you can easily get a 1600 or i5 8400. in fact, why are you spending so much on a 1080p 60hz monitor?

[Jurrunio]

Do not get Intel 7th gen. I'd rather have some used 4th gen than that.

 

Ryzen 5 1500x isnt really good value though. 1400 is a bit better, but nowhere near as good as the 1200 or 1600. I'd try find a used 1200 with warranty since it is still a new processor and shouldnt fail yet.

 

16 hours ago, herman mcpootis said:

 why are you spending so much on a 1080p 60hz monitor?

I'd want to ask that too. I could get a decent 1080p 60Hz monitor for half the price, with IPS panel no less. $220 is something I'd pay for a basic 1440p 60Hz or 1080p 144Hz

[Froody129]

36 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Do not get Intel 7th gen. I'd rather have some used 4th gen than that.

 

Ryzen 5 1500x isnt really good value though. 1400 is a bit better, but nowhere near as good as the 1200 or 1600. I'd try find a used 1200 with warranty since it is still a new processor and shouldnt fail yet.

CPUs don’t really fail if they work out the box or you don’t mess up an OC. I would have no qualms buying a second gen CPU, even if it’s been overclocked

[Technomancer__]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FGPvzM

something like this. just add a monitor

btw i suggest not getting a cpu cooler and just using stock (1600 comes with a good enough cooler that you can oc with it) and just get a much better one line the Noctua nd 15 am4

[Nena Trinity]

Ryzen because more cores is more fun! :3

[Jurrunio]

11 minutes ago, Froody129 said:

CPUs don’t really fail if they work out the box or you don’t mess up an OC. I would have no qualms buying a second gen CPU, even if it’s been overclocked

Exactly what I did. Dont know whether OP is gonna accept that though

[epsilon84]

2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Do not get Intel 7th gen. I'd rather have some used 4th gen than that.

 

Ryzen 5 1500x isnt really good value though. 1400 is a bit better, but nowhere near as good as the 1200 or 1600. I'd try find a used 1200 with warranty since it is still a new processor and shouldnt fail yet.

 

How is a 1200 good value? Are they a lot cheaper used? Unless you need the latest platform features like USB 3.1 or M2 SATA etc I think you are better off with a used i7 than a used 1200.

 

I agree the 1600 is a good value.

[Jurrunio]

14 hours ago, epsilon84 said:

 

How is a 1200 good value? Are they a lot cheaper used? Unless you need the latest platform features like USB 3.1 or M2 SATA etc I think you are better off with a used i7 than a used 1200.

Some people sell their 1200 after upgrading to 1600, at just below $100. I mean, a 1200 sells for $110 at new so even the new ones are good value, just not as good as the slightly used ones.

 

Used i7s still cost as much as a R5 1600 if not more so that's not a viable option. You also cant upgrade to anything newer without a motherboard swap.

[epsilon84]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

Some people sell their 1200 after upgrading to 1600, at just below $100. I mean, a 1200 sells for $110 at new so even the new ones are good value, just not as good as the slightly used ones.

 

Used i7s still cost as much as a R5 1600 if not more so that's not a viable option. You also cant upgrade to anything newer without a motherboard swap.

Haswell era i7s like the 4770K and especially 4790K are holding their resale value well and are IMO overpriced (still cheaper than a 1600, mind you) Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge era i7s are a lot cheaper, and aren't that far off the Haswell i7s performance wise.

 

Recently I bought a 3770 (non K) for $80. Got 16GB of DDR3-2400 for $70. No, I don't use Ebay  

 

It actually overclocks to 4.2GHz despite being a non K chip. So for $150 I got a kickass upgrade over my old SB 2500K chip. Had I gone the Ryzen route, I would need $150 alone just to get 16GB of DDR4 alone. And frankly an R3 1200 isn't even an upgrade over a 2500K, both being 4C/4T chips. I would need a minimum R5 1400 to see worthwhile gains, which is an extra $150. If you are going to spend that much already, you may as well get the 1600 for a little more.

 

Which is why I think the 1200 is not that great of a value, especially factoring in DDR4 prices. Its no faster than an old 2500K, which I personally upgraded from because that itself was too slow. Its OK but daily use, but productivity work needs more threads and, increasingly, so do games.

[Jurrunio]

43 minutes ago, epsilon84 said:

Haswell era i7s like the 4770K and especially 4790K are holding their resale value well and are IMO overpriced (still cheaper than a 1600, mind you) Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge era i7s are a lot cheaper, and aren't that far off the Haswell i7s performance wise.

 

Recently I bought a 3770 (non K) for $80. Got 16GB of DDR3-2400 for $70. No, I don't use Ebay  

 

It actually overclocks to 4.2GHz despite being a non K chip. So for $150 I got a kickass upgrade over my old SB 2500K chip. Had I gone the Ryzen route, I would need $150 alone just to get 16GB of DDR4 alone. And frankly an R3 1200 isn't even an upgrade over a 2500K, both being 4C/4T chips. I would need a minimum R5 1400 to see worthwhile gains, which is an extra $150. If you are going to spend that much already, you may as well get the 1600 for a little more.

 

Which is why I think the 1200 is not that great of a value, especially factoring in DDR4 prices. Its no faster than an old 2500K, which I personally upgraded from because that itself was too slow. Its OK but daily use, but productivity work needs more threads and, increasingly, so do games.

I'm taking in OP's situation assuming he doesnt have a PC now, not your situation. Z68 and Z77 mobo (which I assume you have) allows non K chips to have twice the increase in turbo bins. For example a 2600 has 3.4GHz base and 3.8GHz boost, increase of 400MHz. On Z68 and Z77 (P67 as well if I recall correctly) it can have twice the frequency increase, so it tops at 4.2GHz and beats the 1200 easily, catching up to Ryzen 5 1400 at 4GHz overclock.  With B and H chipsets it cant do that.  That's why your decision is a worthwhile upgrade.

 

When starting up scratch though these old stuff just doesnt let you upgrade further. As for expensive RAM, you will need DDR4 soon or later anyway, no matter how cheap it gets in the future, it still will be cheaper to get it now than buy DDR3 now and DDR4 later (assuming you use high frequency DDR4 with Ryzen).

[epsilon84]

6 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

I'm taking in OP's situation assuming he doesnt have a PC now, not your situation. Z68 and Z77 mobo (which I assume you have) allows non K chips to have twice the increase in turbo bins. For example a 2600 has 3.4GHz base and 3.8GHz boost, increase of 400MHz. On Z68 and Z77 (P67 as well if I recall correctly) it can have twice the frequency increase, so it tops at 4.2GHz and beats the 1200 easily, catching up to Ryzen 5 1400 at 4GHz overclock.  With B and H chipsets it cant do that.  That's why your decision is a worthwhile upgrade.

 

When starting up scratch though these old stuff just doesnt let you upgrade further. As for expensive RAM, you will need DDR4 soon or later anyway, no matter how cheap it gets in the future, it still will be cheaper to get it now than buy DDR3 now and DDR4 later (assuming you use high frequency DDR4 with Ryzen).

Yeah I'm running a Z77 motherboard. 

 

I see your point, I just don't think its worthwhile to spend that amount of money on a 1200 that is already outdated (yeah, I consider 4C/4T outdated these days) unless its just for non CPU intensive work.

 

Maybe as a placeholder until you can afford, say, a 1600, then I would agree with you. But I think it's probably better just to save up a bit more and just avoid the hassle of having to resell the 1200. The OP can afford a 1500X so he isn't far off a 1600 at all - that should be the logical choice. That or maybe an i5 8400.

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, epsilon84 said:

I see your point, I just don't think its worthwhile to spend that amount of money on a 1200 that is already outdated (yeah, I consider 4C/4T outdated these days) unless its just for non CPU intensive work.

 

Neither do I. I'm not recommending that unless the budget is really tight. At least I'm not giving a G4560...

 

1 hour ago, epsilon84 said:

Maybe as a placeholder until you can afford, say, a 1600, then I would agree with you. But I think it's probably better just to save up a bit more and just avoid the hassle of having to resell the 1200. The OP can afford a 1500X so he isn't far off a 1600 at all - that should be the logical choice. That or maybe an i5 8400.

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I finished typing the initial response before OP posted his build. With a budget that high I will never accept anything worse than a R5 1600 and a GTX 1070. He spent too much on the storage, too much for a 1060 6gb (even the cheapest 1060 6gb is too expensive, might as well get an RX 580 8GB), too much on the PSU ($80 is enough for another 80+ Gold, though 80+ Bronze should get the job done and costs $50), though the worst offender is the monitor. Unless that thing can show 3D graphics without users wearing glasses it's stupid to buy.