1070ti Bottle necks the 8700k?

[CriSis_]

Hi, i recently had some concerns with my next build and was told the 1070ti would bottle neck my 8700k.

 

Is that true?, if so should i push my budget and buy a 1080? 

 

And if i buy a FE 1070ti/1080 because its cheaper is there any performance difference between a FE and a aftermarket (AF) ? 

Is it worth the extra £70 - £250 for a AF card? 

 

Thanks for the help!

[CyberFern0]

Just now, Alexander Underwood said:

Hi, i recently had some concerns with my next build and was told the 1070ti would bottle neck my 8700k.

 

Is that true?, if so should i push my budget and buy a 1080? 

 

And if i buy a FE 1070ti because its cheaper if there any performance difference between a FE and a aftermarket (AF) ? 

Is it worth the extra £70 for a AF card? 

 

Thanks for the help!

1080 is much MUCH better

[CriSis_]

Understand the 1080 is much better!  Is it worth the push and will a 1070ti bottle neck the 8700k? 

 

Thanks!

 

[dizmo]

9 minutes ago, CyberFern0 said:

1080 is much MUCH better

Erm, no. Not much MUCH better. It's better at stock. Overclock the 1070Ti and, depending on the card you choose, they're basically the same within a few frames.

8 minutes ago, Alexander Underwood said:

Understand the 1080 is much better!  Is it worth the push and will a 1070ti bottle neck the 8700k? 

 

Thanks!

 

Worth is relative and that's really something only you can answer. Is the extra cost worth it to you?

What are you playing on? What games, what monitor, what resolution, what setting?

You've left out a ton of crucial information.

 

As for the cooler, the FE one generally isn't as good as aftermarket coolers, resulting in better performance from the aftermarket ones. They also have better card components for power delivery etc.

[Brammm]

Bottleneck in this scenario is gonna be a REALLY relative term. What games are you intending to run? What resolution? 

 

It's been proven many times by many benchmarks that CPUs do very little to framerates, except at lower resolutions. So if you're gonna be playing older titles at 1080p, you're gonna be fine with a 1070Ti (or even just a 1070). However if you wanna play recent AA titles on 1440p or higher, you're better off with a 1080. 

 

As @dizmo said, aftermarket GPUs often have better cooling (which is hella important for Turbo Boost) and power delivery, so they'll perform better than a Founders Edition.

[JoostinOnline]

18 minutes ago, CyberFern0 said:

1080 is much MUCH better

Whoever told you that has never heard of overclocking.

6 minutes ago, dizmo said:

As for the cooler, the FE one generally isn't as good as aftermarket coolers, resulting in better performance from the aftermarket ones.

To be fair, the FE cooler is better if you're using a mITX case or something, where blowing air into the case is just going to heat up everything else.

[Princess Luna]

I'd just step down to the cheaper i7 8700 which is almost identical to the 8700k #5ghz either ways.

 

The 1070 Ti and 1080 are too close in performance, a real step up would be the 1080 Ti already.

[dizmo]

6 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

To be fair, the FE cooler is better if you're using a mITX case or something, where blowing air into the case is just going to heat up everything else.

Very true, but if he's building ITX he (should) already know that. I know I know, never assume

2 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

I'd just step down to the cheaper i7 8700 which is almost identical to the 8700k #5ghz either ways.

 

The 1070 Ti and 1080 are too close in performance, a real step up would be the 1080 Ti already.

How's the 8700 compare to the 8400 in gaming?

I haven't looked but thought you might know off the top of your head Is HT really worth it, or kinda pointless?

[Majestic]

17 minutes ago, Brammm said:

Bottleneck in this scenario is gonna be a REALLY relative term.

I'd say it's an utterly useless term in this case.

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

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It is worth it, the thing is with any z370 you can lock all the six cores at 4.6ghz so technically the i7 8700 is identical to the stock i7 8700k already which is like absurd amount of power... and as I have been saying a lot lately it is so much CPU horse power that even with the GTX 1080 Ti you still get GPU bound at 1440p already, overclocking to 5ghz makes no difference as for yet at least.

 

Check this benchmark out and the narrator words, already set the time, the locked i7 8700 is by all means the best value high end chip for coffee lake, makes the high spending on motherboard, cooling and delidding for the i5 8600k and i7 8700k quite irrelevant:

 

 

Hyper-Threading very roughly speaking has always improved each core performance by around 30ish%, gives the entire system more breathing room which will always protect our minimums... I say any one looking into Coffee Lake should either go i5 8400 since it is an i7 7700k super capable for most GPUs and if you want to break the bank the i7 8700, might sound funny I know but the locked CPUs are the best value in this generation... the wonders having 2 more cores did... made a higher frequency less decisive matter.

[JoostinOnline]

27 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

It is worth it, the thing is with any z370 you can lock all the six cores at 4.6ghz so technically the i7 8700 is identical to the stock i7 8700k already which is like absurd amount of power... and as I have been saying a lot lately it is so much CPU horse power that even with the GTX 1080 Ti you still get GPU bound at 1440p already, overclocking to 5ghz makes no difference as for yet at least.

 

Check this benchmark out and the narrator words, already set the time, the locked i7 8700 is by all means the best value high end chip for coffee lake, makes the high spending on motherboard, cooling and delidding for the i5 8600k and i7 8700k quite irrelevant:

 

 

Hyper-Threading very roughly speaking has always improved each core performance by around 30ish%, gives the entire system more breathing room which will always protect our minimums... I say any one looking into Coffee Lake should either go i5 8400 since it is an i7 7700k super capable for most GPUs and if you want to break the bank the i7 8700, might sound funny I know but the locked CPUs are the best value in this generation... the wonders having 2 more cores did... made a higher frequency less decisive matter.

Your video starts at the beginning.

 

Something everyone always forgets is that the i7 models have more L3 cache.

 

On a side note, that guy has always creeped me out a little.  I'm not sure why.

[dizmo]

1 hour ago, Princess Cadence said:

It is worth it, the thing is with any z370 you can lock all the six cores at 4.6ghz so technically the i7 8700 is identical to the stock i7 8700k already which is like absurd amount of power... and as I have been saying a lot lately it is so much CPU horse power that even with the GTX 1080 Ti you still get GPU bound at 1440p already, overclocking to 5ghz makes no difference as for yet at least.

 

Check this benchmark out and the narrator words, already set the time, the locked i7 8700 is by all means the best value high end chip for coffee lake, makes the high spending on motherboard, cooling and delidding for the i5 8600k and i7 8700k quite irrelevant:

 

Hyper-Threading very roughly speaking has always improved each core performance by around 30ish%, gives the entire system more breathing room which will always protect our minimums... I say any one looking into Coffee Lake should either go i5 8400 since it is an i7 7700k super capable for most GPUs and if you want to break the bank the i7 8700, might sound funny I know but the locked CPUs are the best value in this generation... the wonders having 2 more cores did... made a higher frequency less decisive matter.

Haha, thanks for setting it at the right time for me!

Was locking it at a higher mhz specific to Asus boards? Or can they all do it? The 8400 only locks at 3.8ghz right?

The 4-6 core lock for the 8700 would be 4.3ghz, no? Mind you still better than the 3.7ghz stock, but does it lose it's ability to reach the 4.6 boost when you lock the cores at 4.3ghz?

And only Z370 boards have this feature? Guess that kind of cuts the affordable board idea out of the picture.

 

The 8700 seems like it'd be a great chip if you can find one for a steal. The 8400 is still tempting, though, since it's consiiiiderably cheaper.

40 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

Your video starts at the beginning.

 

Something everyone always forgets is that the i7 models have more L3 cache.

 

On a side note, that guy has always creeped me out a little.  I'm not sure why.

It starts at the correct section for me.

 

[Princess Luna]

21 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Was locking it at a higher mhz specific to Asus boards? Or can they all do it?

All motherboards do it, this is a chipset feature, the thing is that Asus BIOS is the only one that has set it active by default while all the others is deactivated by default.

 

23 minutes ago, dizmo said:

The 8400 only locks at 3.8ghz right?

As said by default yes, but you can potentially force it at 4ghz, but on the i5 it ain't worth it because it's gonna severily increase its core voltage from something like from 1.15v to 1.39v... Soon enough you need an aftermarket cooler just to force a turbo boost it is too silly.

 

25 minutes ago, dizmo said:

The 4-6 core lock for the 8700 would be 4.3ghz, no?

Yes the default will lock at 4.3ghz on all core, then again this is identical of the stock i7 8700k.

 

27 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Mind you still better than the 3.7ghz stock

Yes mind it this is still the latest IPC available even if it is a copy paste of Skylake as so many flag it has had its improvements so every extra frequency achieved will matter a little more than it did in the past... then again there is the whole issue of GPUs getting "weak" now, the 1080 Ti could be bottlenecked by the quadcores 6700k and 7700k... highest frequency was the only way we could have the best IPC cores for the GPU...

Now that we have 6 cores on it and nVidia wasn't really expecting it for Pascal as Intel was dead stuck at quadcores even the i5 8400 reveals itself as good as an i7 7700k and you can throw the GTX 1070 Ti at it without a single bottleneck, the 2 extra cores were an insane increase in performance to where frequency is not as important.

 

I believe having out of the box 4.3ghz on so 6cores which was unbelievable just a year ago with soo much more over priced's i7 6800k is something just too good to people realize, gotta really thank AMD every day.

32 minutes ago, dizmo said:

And only Z370 boards have this feature? Guess that kind of cuts the affordable board idea out of the picture.

Not really, I paid fairly cheap on my z370, mind knowing I had no need for a big motherboard I went micro-ATX and made a cute little but sharp pc [: I believe it is worth it so we can overclock the memory to 3200mhz which increases more performance in gaming than the 5ghz frequency, if you go with h310 you might be limited to 2400mhz

 

34 minutes ago, dizmo said:

The 8700 seems like it'd be a great chip if you can find one for a steal. The 8400 is still tempting, though, since it's consiiiiderably cheaper.

Quite frankly I am already very satisfied with the savings just by making a much cheaper build around the i7 8700, and still being able to brag about the PC's and it's performance, I mean that's the thing someone on an i7 7700k at 5.2ghz is still behind me on a locked CPU, how can he "mock" me?

[Princess Luna]

2 hours ago, Alexander Underwood said:

And if i buy a FE 1070ti/1080 because its cheaper is there any performance difference between a FE and a aftermarket (AF) ?

FE Cards are perfectly fine, they do a bit more noise because their design is meant to keep all the hot air it makes outside the case which helps at the temperature of your other components, I always liked it personally but then again I have small case that benefits from it.

[CyberFern0]

2 hours ago, dizmo said:

Erm, no. Not much MUCH better. It's better at stock. Overclock the 1070Ti and, depending on the card you choose, they're basically the same within a few frames.

The 1080 is just as good for overclocking as the 1070 TI. Mine is at 1911 MHz on air.