Freezes in every Game

[Sminka]

Hello. I have a problem with my computer system. I asked in some other community's but they didn't know the problem. My problem is that i have in every games freezes.

I switched my GPU and my Mainboard. I tested my RAM 3 times with Memtest86 with 0 errors and i plugged 2 from 4 out. I plug my hdd off and started the pc only with my ssd with the same result.

I reinstalled Windows 10 and tried Windows 8 but it didnt fix my problem. The temps are all good and i have not thermal throttling. But i have the stutters not in benchmarks like 3DMARK.

I tried to use old drivers from nvidia too with the same result. My idea is that the problem is my CPU but my CPU have a good score in every benchmark. Can i test the CPU in another way ?

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/23276027 My Score and a Video from the stutters ( In The Witcher i didnt got a scene with the freezes but in CS:GO its obv) 

 

My System:

i7 6700k

Palit 1080 Jetstream

Aorus Z270 Gaming 5

Corsair Vengeance 3000Mhz LPX 4x4Gb

Be Quiet 500W Pure Power 8

[Sminka]

But 500 should be enough for a 95w CPU and 180w GPU

[just tilt]

Calculate it via this website: http://www.coolermaster.com/power-supply-calculator/
You should have 50 or more watts of headroom.

[spat55]

Overclocked anything?

[Sminka]

No every hardware is stock. Some months ago i had a RX 480 and the games were smooth. https://www.bequiet.com/de/psucalculator In this test it says that i dont need 500W. But when the hardware need more power should my pc shutdown instead stutters in games ? And in games like Counter Strike my computer is not 100% load so the power would be enough or ? And i forgot that i tried to play CS:GO with my intel igpu and i have the same stutters

[Hugsy Malone]

18 minutes ago, Sminka said:

But 500 should be enough for a 95w CPU and 180w GPU

Sounds like the issue is that you've gone up to a 1080.
No offence but your psu is a bit poor to be pairing with that cpu and gpu. Its 80 plus, meaning it will run at a max of 87%, technically you shouldn't use that psu above 430w.(correct me if i'm wrong)
Try underclocking your GPU (so it uses less power) and see if that fixes the issue.

[Sminka]

I will test it next hours. But when my gpu is on 50-70% is 500w still not enough ? But i forgot the PSU is 3-4 years old.

 

https://imgur.com/a/Kdo1d Here i made in the past some screenshots of my system.

[Sminka]

so i underclocked my gpu -400mhz but it doesn't fix the problem.

[N3rot0xin]

It's still using a lot of power in games tho. The exact wattage varies, but you definitely need more than 500w. 
https://outervision.com/b/n4rewQ

That is a very basic version, with a very basic system(cpu,gpu, ram, 3 fans) and you're already over 400w. I don't know the exact clock settings of your gpu, but thats going to affect your calculations as well. As @Hugsy Malone said, your powersupply is rated with only moderate efficiency, and shouldn't be used over ~430w load.  You never use 100% of your PSU nor do you treat the Wattage on a psu as your maximum. Safe rule of thumb is at least 50w headroom, i've typically gone for 100w of headroom to be safer. 

 

None of this discussion has taken into account you could have bad hardware. I had a similar problem to this and it turned out to be my motherboard. At this point it does seem like the PSU but it's not the only culprit. 

[Sminka]

It can be only the PSU or CPU. But why is this problem not in benchmarks like 3DMARK. I mean this benchmark take more power than usual games.

[N3rot0xin]

17 minutes ago, Sminka said:

It can be only the PSU or CPU. But why is this problem not in benchmarks like 3DMARK. I mean this benchmark take more power than usual games.

No it can by your motherboard too, technically it could be any of your hardware. You dont' discount anything when you're having an issue that's spanned OS versions. 

 

Benchmarks are synthetic, and freezes in those may not appear as anything out of the ordinary to the naked eye. Since you're seeing stutters, sounds like loading issues or ram. You need to spend at least a solid 4 hours testing your ram. Three passes with memtest is not enough to determine RAM faults. Test all 4 for at least an hour. Then test 2 for an hour, swap the 2 and test for another hour. If you get even 1 error during this, test 1 stick at a time until you find the problem stick. 

 

What storage device is your OS on and which is your Game on?

 

Edit: 

 

- Turn on vSync in the nvidia control panel.

- Disable any third party programs that could be running

- monitor GPU usage, temps, and clock mhz, as well as CPU load and memory usage while gaming. 

- - look to see if anything spikes or dips when the stutter happens. 

[Sminka]

I tested last night 10h my 4 ram sticks without any errors. i had the same problem with my old asrock z170 mainboard and i switched it to my aorus z270 mainboard and i have the same issue and i got another 1080. So i can say i think its not the GPU or Mainboard. I tested my Ram 3x for more than 6h.  My OS is on my SSD and my games are on my HDD but when i put my games on my ssd i have the result.

[Sminka]

I started the witcher 3 and for me the game look like weird and the texture like shadows pop up. When i get the freeze clock from GPU and CPU and the usage are not changing.

[Hugsy Malone]

37 minutes ago, Sminka said:

I started the witcher 3 and for me the game look like weird and the texture like shadows pop up. When i get the freeze clock from GPU and CPU and the usage are not changing.

Im not too sure what you are talking about, that video looked fine to me?

Also just to be clear, I would strongly recommend upgrading that PSU, regardless if it is causing the problem or not.

[Pkai]

19 hours ago, Sminka said:

Hello. I have a problem with my computer system. I asked in some other community's but they didn't know the problem. My problem is that i have in every games freezes.

I switched my GPU and my Mainboard. I tested my RAM 3 times with Memtest86 with 0 errors and i plugged 2 from 4 out. I plug my hdd off and started the pc only with my ssd with the same result.

I reinstalled Windows 10 and tried Windows 8 but it didnt fix my problem. The temps are all good and i have not thermal throttling. But i have the stutters not in benchmarks like 3DMARK.

I tried to use old drivers from nvidia too with the same result. My idea is that the problem is my CPU but my CPU have a good score in every benchmark. Can i test the CPU in another way ?

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/23276027 My Score and a Video from the stutters ( In The Witcher i didnt got a scene with the freezes but in CS:GO its obv) 

 

My System:

i7 6700k

Palit 1080 Jetstream

Aorus Z270 Gaming 5

Corsair Vengeance 3000Mhz LPX 4x4Gb

Be Quiet 500W Pure Power 8

Please quote the people you reply to in order for them to be notified that you replied. 

[Sminka]

18 hours ago, N3rot0xin said:

No it can by your motherboard too, technically it could be any of your hardware. You dont' discount anything when you're having an issue that's spanned OS versions. 

 

Benchmarks are synthetic, and freezes in those may not appear as anything out of the ordinary to the naked eye. Since you're seeing stutters, sounds like loading issues or ram. You need to spend at least a solid 4 hours testing your ram. Three passes with memtest is not enough to determine RAM faults. Test all 4 for at least an hour. Then test 2 for an hour, swap the 2 and test for another hour. If you get even 1 error during this, test 1 stick at a time until you find the problem stick. 

 

What storage device is your OS on and which is your Game on?

 

Edit: 

 

- Turn on vSync in the nvidia control panel.

- Disable any third party programs that could be running

- monitor GPU usage, temps, and clock mhz, as well as CPU load and memory usage while gaming. 

- - look to see if anything spikes or dips when the stutter happens. 

 

It didn't help. Which PSU should be enough ? 600w ?

[xAcid9]

17 hours ago, Sminka said:

I started the witcher 3 and for me the game look like weird and the texture like shadows pop up. When i get the freeze clock from GPU and CPU and the usage are not changing.

Video look fine to me, have you tried playing with frequency/voltage curve in MSI Afterburner? IINM undervolting Pascal noticeably reduce the power consumption.

Your PSU should be enough to provide ample juice for the system unless you overclock them or unless it degrade so much in past years.

19 hours ago, Sminka said:

It can be only the PSU or CPU. But why is this problem not in benchmarks like 3DMARK. I mean this benchmark take more power than usual games.

3DMark is not CPU intensive(except physic test), maybe that is your problem? The CPU? 

[Sminka]

13 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

Video look fine to me, have you tried playing with frequency/voltage curve in MSI Afterburner? IINM undervolting Pascal noticeably reduce the power consumption.

Your PSU should be enough to provide ample juice for the system unless you overclock them or unless it degrade so much in past years.

3DMark is not CPU intensive(except physic test), maybe that is your problem? The CPU? 

I think too. I installed yesterday the intel diagnostic tool in the last step my pc freezed for 1-2min. I will buy a Pentium G4400 for 30 Euro and test it again.

[xAcid9]

51 minutes ago, Sminka said:

I think too. I installed yesterday the intel diagnostic tool in the last step my pc freezed for 1-2min. I will buy a Pentium G4400 for 30 Euro and test it again.

Your physic score looks normal though.

[Sminka]

4 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

Your physic score looks normal though.

But what can be the problem when its not GPU,CPU,SSD,RAM,Mainboard 

[Princess Luna]

That PSU is only Tier 4 and 500w... I think that the PSU really is the culprit.

[xAcid9]

12 minutes ago, Sminka said:

But what can be the problem when its not GPU,CPU,SSD,RAM,Mainboard 

Not sure, try play with BIOS. Disable HPET maybe?

Don't rule out PSU just yet.

[Sminka]

The information from the user with the PSU is wrong. the 80% are not the output which the PSU give the 80% is the efficenity from the power point. I changed the mainboard and updated the BIOS so i think its not the problem. In the past i didnt change anything and i hadn't the problem.

[xAcid9]

17 minutes ago, Sminka said:

The information from the user with the PSU is wrong. the 80% are not the output which the PSU give the 80% is the efficenity from the power point. I changed the mainboard and updated the BIOS so i think its not the problem. In the past i didnt change anything and i hadn't the problem.

Yup.

 

You can try rule out the PSU though, undervolt and downclock both your CPU and GPU.

[Sminka]

1 minute ago, xAcid9 said:

Yup.

 

You can try rule out the PSU though, undervolt and downclock both your CPU and GPU.

I have the same problem when i put my 1080 out and use my intel graphics card.