iFixit teardown shows iPhone X has 2 battery cells in it despite having worse battery life than 8+

[D13H4RD]

OLEDs use more power than LCDs if most of what is being displayed is white. iOS (and even Android at this point) predominantly use white elements throughout their UI. Couple that with the larger display surface area and the battery capacity increase is offset by the higher power consumption.

 

I don't think resolution has much to play with this.

[Trixanity]

9 hours ago, Bcat00 said:

Makes me wonder if they are gonna start stacking CPU chips after they hit the limit of die shrinking

 

9 hours ago, Ben Quigley said:

I think silicon stacking such as HBM is going to be the next big thing, especially in the low power market. And further down the line maybe even the enterprise Market, imagine a 256 core, 1.5ghz x86 processor with cooling baked right into the layers! Or a similar ARM based system! 

 

Heat become an issue if you were to stack processors. HBM doesn't produce heat like a processor would. However it may become feasible if something like this comes to market.

[Trixanity]

1 hour ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

OLEDs use more power than LCDs if most of what is being displayed is white. iOS (and even Android at this point) predominantly use white elements throughout their UI. Couple that with the larger display surface area and the battery capacity increase is offset by the higher power consumption.

 

I don't think resolution has much to play with this.

Actually modern OLED should have pretty similar numbers to LCD when displaying white. At least from the figures I recall seeing. Of course it's still preferable to go for a dark UI.

 

I'd wager the efficiency goes down the toilet if you're standing outside and the brightness starts to go into overdrive but indoors? Shouldn't be that bad.

[D13H4RD]

Just now, Trixanity said:

Actually modern OLED should have pretty similar numbers to LCD when displaying white. At least from the figures I recall seeing. Of course it's still preferable to go for a dark UI.

 

I'd wager the efficiency goes down the toilet if you're standing outside and the brightness starts to go into overdrive but indoors? Shouldn't be that bad.

True, although I would have liked to see Apple and Google actually taking advantage of OLED's potential power sipping benefits by going with a dark UI.

[Trixanity]

1 minute ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

True, although I would have liked to see Apple and Google actually taking advantage of OLED's potential power sipping benefits by going with a dark UI.

Oh certainly but form over function you know. They'd rather that the UI looks 'pretty' than you getting 2 hours more screen on time.

[D13H4RD]

23 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

Oh certainly but form over function you know. They'd rather that the UI looks 'pretty' than you getting 2 hours more screen on time.

Yep, although I feel that dark UIs actually look more sophisticated.

 

Which, IMO, better fits these new bezel-less designs.

 

[GOTSpectrum]

3 hours ago, Trixanity said:

 

 

Heat become an issue if you were to stack processors. HBM doesn't produce heat like a processor would. However it may become feasible if something like this comes to market.

Yeah, this is what I meant by cooling baked right into the chips! Sorry I should have been more specific but I didn't actually knot anyone had been tested it, was just a crazy idea I have floating in my head. 

[FloRolf]

Is it just me, who has never really seen a phone teardown, or is that A11 freaking huge? 

[hihihi8]

In this case, I find iFixit way too generous in their repairability rating. 6/10 for non-repairable back glass, and a sandwich-soldered logic board? Those are 2 of the 3 common repairs to be expected (the other being the front screen). 

[AbeTrve]

5 hours ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

Yep, although I feel that dark UIs actually look more sophisticated.

 

Which, IMO, better fits these new bezel-less designs.

 

It feels that Apple is having a "UI identity crisis" since iOS 8 doesn't it? For some reason I look at iOS 11 and, while animations and design look rather nice, sometimes I feel stuff's just not in its place; or a particular thing is all over the place (menus inside Settings particularly). The fact that there's no choice between native dark or light/clear themes from the get-go in the iPhone X strikes me as a huge oversight.

[Sauron]

20 hours ago, djdwosk97 said:

That's to be expected since the resolution is 30% higher, as you mentioned. Plus, it's also possible that FaceID utilizes more power than TouchID. And it's also possible that the OLED uses more power than the old LCD did considering that most of iOS is light.

It would be less of a problem if apple used more black in their UI.

[Trixanity]

6 hours ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

Yep, although I feel that dark UIs actually look more sophisticated.

 

Which, IMO, better fits these new bezel-less designs.

 

I think their research shows white as being most pleasing to the eye and very legible. Also very compatible with a variety of colors, so it's easy to design around.

 

Not that I want a white UI. I use dark themes where ever I can.

 

I think it would be fine if white/light theme was the default but a dark theme was optional. I think there might be developer pushback from the extra work but I do think designing apps to be aware of two preferences is reasonable. It should be a relatively simple API to implement and use for both Apple/Google and developers.

[themctipers]

21 hours ago, Kumaresh said:

This seems to be a particular area where apple is losing quite terribly. People who want a phablet with really great battery life are gonna be sorely disappointed with Apple. And here I am, sitting with my 5300mAh Xiaomi Mi Max 2. Why do they always provide such low powered batteries ? Around 3000 mAh has been the standard in 5 inch Android phones for quite a long time, and that number has been steadily climbing even in budget devices.

because its so fucking thin and light

 

im still astonished at how thin my 6s+ is

 

[Dylanc1500]

30 minutes ago, themctipers said:

because its so fucking thin and light

 

im still astonished at how thin my 6s+ is

 

Invent a spacer that's roughly 1-1.5mm to make the phone thicker and have more space inside, then shove the largest batteries you can in it.

[themctipers]

1 minute ago, Dylanc1500 said:

Invent a spacer that's roughly 1-1.5mm to make the phone thicker and have more space inside, then shove the largest batteries you can in it.

This is apple. 

 

Known for being thin, light, and ‘powerful’

Apple has committed to this.. Why would their newer phone be thicker? 

[Dylanc1500]

Just now, themctipers said:

This is apple. 

 

Known for being thin, light, and ‘powerful’

Apple has committed to this.. Why would their newer phone be thicker? 

I'm saying for you to invent a spacer for in between the display and body to make it thicker, theoretically as thick as the ribbon cables will allow. Of course Apple won't make them thicker. I'm sure there are plenty of people that would buy it as aftermarket product, especially enthusiasts. I would pay about $50 for one.

[themctipers]

1 minute ago, Dylanc1500 said:

I'm saying for you to invent a spacer for in between the display and body to make it thicker, theoretically as thick as the ribbon cables will allow. Of course Apple won't make them thicker. I'm sure there are plenty of people that would buy it as aftermarket product, especially enthusiasts. I would pay about $50 for one.

so, a battery case?

behind the phone seems better than between the expensive and fragile display and the body, while keeping the waterproofing 

[Dylanc1500]

Just now, themctipers said:

so, a battery case?

behind the phone seems better than between the expensive and fragile display and the body, while keeping the waterproofing 

Same concept without being as bulky as a case as it would still be the phones battery and housed within the phone instead of a separate "container". Most people complain they want more battery and are okay with the overall thickness of the phone being increased for it. The waterproofing wouldn't be hard to keep if you have a seal of some sort. A battery case typically adds a decent amount more bulk for the amount of battery. it's a solution that would be easily made and implemented. You increase the phone 1mm you are looking at a capacity increase that would be similar to a battery case that would add 2-3mm if not more.

 

its all theoretical though.

[themctipers]

Just now, Dylanc1500 said:

Same concept without being as bulky as a case as it would still be the phones battery and housed within the phone instead of a separate "container". Most people complain they want more battery and are okay with the overall thickness of the phone being increased for it. The waterproofing wouldn't be hard to keep if you have a seal of some sort. A battery case typically adds a decent amount more bulk for the amount of battery. it's a solution that would be easily made and implemented. You increase the phone 1mm you are looking at a capacity increase that would be similar to a battery case that would add 2-3mm if not more.

 

its all theoretical though.

the reason why it is so bulky is to contain the battery itself in a 'safe' container if something goes wrong. 

[Dylanc1500]

1 minute ago, themctipers said:

the reason why it is so bulky is to contain the battery itself in a 'safe' container if something goes wrong. 

Yes, to an extent for some of them. However there is already a battery within the phone so it won't change anything if something goes wrong with the battery within the phone.

[79wjd]

24 minutes ago, themctipers said:

Why would their newer phone be thicker? 

The X actually is actually thicker than the 5.

[themctipers]

1 minute ago, Dylanc1500 said:

Yes, to an extent for some of them. However there is already a battery within the phone so it won't change anything if something goes wrong with the battery within the phone.

smaller company, high risk, lower safety testing, something something

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

The X actually is actually thicker than the 5s.

wow

 

i thought it was the same thickness has the 6/6s/7

 

[79wjd]

3 minutes ago, themctipers said:

i thought it was the same thickness has the 6/6s/7

4/4s - 9.3

5c - 9

X - 7.7

5/5s/5se - 7.6

8+ - 7.5

6s+/7+/8 - 7.3

6+/6s/7 - 7.1

6 - 6.9

[Dylanc1500]

Just now, themctipers said:

smaller company, high risk, lower safety testing, something something

wow

 

i thought it was the same thickness has the 6/6s/7

 

Well I have yet to see that stop people from buying some of the questionable accessories at the kiosks in the malls and online lol.

 

I agree, I did not realize that. Interesting.

[Dylanc1500]

2 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

4/4s - 9.3

5c - 9

X - 7.7

5/5s/5se - 7.6

8+ - 7.5

6s+/7+/8 - 7.3

6+/6s/7 - 7.1

6 - 6.9

So that's why you could look at the 6 and it would bend.