1070 W/fx-8350 massive bottleshack

[GuNjAX_3030]

  Somebody please Confirm this. Couple days ago I upgraded my gpu from gtx 970 ssc (Which is still decent card) to the Asus Strix/oc 1070. But the thing is i have an older amd Fx-8350 paired with the newer chip gpus (1070). Yea, I did the research some good some ok regarding the bottlenecking, but i really wanted it so i got it and runs worse than my 970!! on the Valley benchmark on 1080p High settings only got 75fps when my 970 putin 113fps? and some other  benchmark wouldn't even go pass 40 fps, and got stuck there. So im assuming this is a massive bottleneck pairing such an old cpu with a new gpu?.. I said fuck it, and just completely upgraded, bought parts for a new i5-7600k/z270 chispset build, thought would be a good upgrade coming from a 8350 and now my 1070 can perform to its full potential. But can anyone confirm that this was a 'classic' bottleneck issue, and not something else, i know dosent matter now but want confirmation from people who know bottleshacking. Because i might not even really know.

[Crunchy Dragon]

Sounds like a CPU bottleneck, assuming the GPU is the only change to the system.

[Morgan MLGman]

It was a bottleneck with the GTX 1070 as the 970 (and similarly performing alternatives) is really the top-end card to pair with an FX-8350.

But you chose poorly, at 1080p your 7600K will still bottleneck the 1070 in some games (i.e. Battlefield 1) so keep that in mind. You should've gone with an i7-6700/7700 and a B250 board for the same/lower price as 7600K/Z270.

Also, your card might be defective because there's no reason why the 1070 performs worse than a 970 with the same CPU. Might be GPU drivers too, did you use DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) to uninstall old drivers first?

[Sauron]

2 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Sounds like a CPU bottleneck, assuming the GPU is the only change to the system.

I don't think it does, if it were a CPU bottleneck the 970 wouldn't perform so much better. I would have investigated temperatures and tried different driver combinations.

[RadiatingLight]

DDU and Reinstall

[Synawke]

1 minute ago, Morgan MLGman said:

It was a bottleneck with the GTX 1070 as the 970 (and similarly performing alternatives) is really the top-end card to pair with an FX-8350.

But you chose poorly, at 1080p your 7600K will still bottleneck the 1070 in some games (i.e. Battlefield 1) so keep that in mind. You should've gone with an i7-6700/7700 and a B250 board for the same/lower price as 7600K/Z270.

His 1070 still shouldnt have been preforming worse than his 970 though right?

[Morgan MLGman]

Just now, Synawke said:

His 1070 still shouldnt have been preforming worse than his 970 though right?

I edited my post to include something about that as well

[i_build_nanosuits]

16 minutes ago, Cazual-T said:

  Somebody please Confirm this.

 

yes, that CPU is not a very good gaming CPU and it will defenetly kill the life out of a GTX 1070 in most modern games.

Upgrade ASAP, i would recommend R5 1600 or i5-8400.

 

i had a 4.4ghz FX-8320 and it was already holding back my overclocked GTX 780 a fair bit at the time, i can only imagine the pairing of a 980ti or 1070 as even at 1440p the CPU will be holding you back by like 30% at least and will produce rocky uneven framerates.

[Synawke]

1 minute ago, Morgan MLGman said:

I edited my post to include something about that as well

I have a similar issue. at 1080p I have a 4790k and a 1080ti (I play csgo and have a 240hz I wanted the max frames) I get worse performance on many games than friends who have 1070s and 980tis

[i_build_nanosuits]

7 minutes ago, Synawke said:

I have a similar issue. at 1080p I have a 4790k and a 1080ti

you don't have a similar issue you just have way too much GPU horsepower for what you are doing sir...

 

[Synawke]

Just now, i_build_nanosuits said:

you don't have a similar issue you just have way too much GPU horsepower for what you are doing sir...

No it is a similar problem because even if I am getting a huge bottleneck I should still be getting better or equal FPS than them. But im getting worse 

[i_build_nanosuits]

 

1 minute ago, Synawke said:

No it is a similar problem because even if I am getting a huge bottleneck I should still be getting better or equal FPS than them. But im getting worse 

get an oculus rift and come play onward and pavlov vr with us instead it's WAY more fun than csgo

supersample to 2X let that card rip a bit Project cars 2 is really nice too...

[Synawke]

1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

 

get an oculus rift and come play onward and pavlov vr with us instead it's WAY more fun than csgo

supersample to 2X let that card rip a bit Project cars 2 is really nice too...

Thats another thing. at least in destiny 2, at 200% resolution i get NO difference in frames. But im still getting bad frames at 1080p for a 1080ti. friends rarely go under 100fps and I am under 100 fps all the time... Starting to think the card might be defective idk. Id love to get a vive or oculus and put the card to work. or play some things at 4k. just dont have the funds to buy either of those things right now

[GuNjAX_3030]

20 hours ago, Morgan MLGman said:

It was a bottleneck with the GTX 1070 as the 970 (and similarly performing alternatives) is really the top-end card to pair with an FX-8350.

But you chose poorly, at 1080p your 7600K will still bottleneck the 1070 in some games (i.e. Battlefield 1) so keep that in mind. You should've gone with an i7-6700/7700 and a B250 board for the same/lower price as 7600K/Z270.

Also, your card might be defective because there's no reason why the 1070 performs worse than a 970 with the same CPU. Might be GPU drivers too, did you use DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) to uninstall old drivers first?

Dang really think that? Yes, the new i7-7700k is slightly better (depending on the game) but the i5-7600k (Which can highly OC) and the i7-7600K are both new 7th gen intel processors and both very capable cpu's. I went with the kaby Lake i5-7600k paired with the Z270 chipset for mainly some gaming and simple productivity because it fit my personal budget. Many people have used the 7600k/Z270 paired with the 1070 gpu, and read more positive reviews than negative. And many tech channels like (Techsource, Jay2Cents, HardwareCanucks, etc) have benchmarked this combination with many different games, idk maybe ive missed something? I mean my goal was to still game at 1080P on Ultra/Ultra on a new Asus 144Hz monitor, and literally the only game i play is Csgo but still open minded to playing maybe some of the newer aaa title games in the future. But I still thank you and appreciate your comment. Something really to consider and think about, but its hard for me to believe that the 'somewhat' new i5-7600K paired with Z270 chipset would still bottleneck with my 1070. My amd fx8350 is very old cpu, and my Asus Strix/1070 is very new chipset and can see why it bottlenecked so dam hard. I used the driver that had came with my 1070, but is the same version on the Asus websites for gpu drivers. I havent started my new i5-7600K build yet, everything is going to be fresh. Im going to dl new drivers, new copy of win10 os, new ssd (m.2) so hopefully everything will go well as planned. Many builders have used the same setup using the 6700K/Z270/1070gpu and got positive feedback and great benchmarks. So i hope your theory of "Still bottleneck with 6700K and 1070" wont happen =/. 

[GuNjAX_3030]

Getting mixed opinions and answers someone help!

[GuNjAX_3030]

20 hours ago, Synawke said:

I have a similar issue. at 1080p I have a 4790k and a 1080ti (I play csgo and have a 240hz I wanted the max frames) I get worse performance on many games than friends who have 1070s and 980tis

Woa playing csgo on a 240Hz monitor is probably amazing, experts say that most people can't even recognize 240hz. And that people who can really tell the difference are people with great attentiveness and reaction times. Im about to start playing on 144Hz monitor soon, coming from 60hz monitor. So excite =). But yea dude, sounds like you have similar issues than me but on a 'higher end level'. The 1080Ti is a god dam monster and im guessing the 4790k is an older generation of cpu's? is the 4790k 7th gen?

[Morgan MLGman]

2 hours ago, Cazual-T said:

Dang really think that? Yes, the new i7-7700k is slightly better (depending on the game) but the i5-7600k (Which can highly OC) and the i7-7600K are both new 7th gen intel processors and both very capable cpu's. I went with the kaby Lake i5-7600k paired with the Z270 chipset for mainly some gaming and simple productivity because it fit my personal budget. Many people have used the 7600k/Z270 paired with the 1070 gpu, and read more positive reviews than negative. And many tech channels like (Techsource, Jay2Cents, HardwareCanucks, etc) have benchmarked this combination with many different games, idk maybe ive missed something? I mean my goal was to still game at 1080P on Ultra/Ultra on a new Asus 144Hz monitor, and literally the only game i play is Csgo but still open minded to playing maybe some of the newer aaa title games in the future. But I still thank you and appreciate your comment. Something really to consider and think about, but its hard for me to believe that the 'somewhat' new i5-7600K paired with Z270 chipset would still bottleneck with my 1070. My amd fx8350 is very old cpu, and my Asus Strix/1070 is very new chipset and can see why it bottlenecked so dam hard. I used the driver that had came with my 1070, but is the same version on the Asus websites for gpu drivers. I havent started my new i5-7600K build yet, everything is going to be fresh. Im going to dl new drivers, new copy of win10 os, new ssd (m.2) so hopefully everything will go well as planned. Many builders have used the same setup using the 6700K/Z270/1070gpu and got positive feedback and great benchmarks. So i hope your theory of "Still bottleneck with 6700K and 1070" wont happen =/.

The problem with quad-core i5s is that most modern games are heavier on the CPU and can benefit from 8 or more threads/cores - meaning that those games will definitely stutter and limit your GPU performance depending on how hard they are on the CPU..

Stuttering is mainly caused by either the CPU maxing out or a background process taking up resources from the game which results in a worse gaming experience. This has been known for a while, that's why people stopped recommending quad-core i5s a while back and switched to recommending an R5 1600 instead as this CPU will last longer as a relevant chip for gaming and more than gaming due to its 12 threads. An i7-4790K is a better gaming CPU than a 6600K/7600K, it's not the age that's the issue here but the amount of spare horsepower those CPUs have while gaming.

Also, if you get the 7600K, it will limit your GPU in a number of games (Battlefield 1, newest Assassins Creed etc.) today, so what about tomorrow? It will most likely only get worse as new games require better CPUs with more threads. Keep in mind that you won't be able to upgrade your 1070 without a platform change as you will be limited to the 6700K/7700K as the only alternatives due to no upgrade path for the Z270 chipset. This means that when you start lacking GPU power, you pretty much need to get a whole new system (CPU+GPU+motherboard) as that i5 won't support any faster GPUs well-enough.

P.S. I've got a friend who's into CS:GO competitively, he talked to some of the pros at CS:GO Major in Kraków(Poland) this year and they said that they never play on i5s due to microstutters that i7s eliminate or at least minimize. So there's that too.

Hope this helps.

[GuNjAX_3030]

30 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

The problem with quad-core i5s is that most modern games are heavier on the CPU and can benefit from 8 or more threads/cores - meaning that those games will definitely stutter and limit your GPU performance depending on how hard they are on the CPU..

Stuttering is mainly caused by either the CPU maxing out or a background process taking up resources from the game which results in a worse gaming experience. This has been known for a while, that's why people stopped recommending quad-core i5s a while back and switched to recommending an R5 1600 instead as this CPU will last longer as a relevant chip for gaming and more than gaming due to its 12 threads. An i7-4790K is a better gaming CPU than a 6600K/7600K, it's not the age that's the issue here but the amount of spare horsepower those CPUs have while gaming.

Also, if you get the 7600K, it will limit your GPU in a number of games (Battlefield 1, newest Assassins Creed etc.) today, so what about tomorrow? It will most likely only get worse as new games require better CPUs with more threads. Keep in mind that you won't be able to upgrade your 1070 without a platform change as you will be limited to the 6700K/7700K as the only alternatives due to no upgrade path for the Z270 chipset. This means that when you start lacking GPU power, you pretty much need to get a whole new system (CPU+GPU+motherboard) as that i5 won't support any faster GPUs well-enough.

P.S. I've got a friend who's into CS:GO competitively, he talked to some of the pros at CS:GO Major in Kraków(Poland) this year and they said that they never play on i5s due to microstutters that i7s eliminate or at least minimize. So there's that too.

Hope this helps.

Thank you for that information, Ive always heard i5-7600k were great for most games, and heard a lot of great benchmarks from notable people on the tech community regarding the i5-7600k. Not perfect there are some similar cpu's in this range that do better in other aaa title games. Yes only 4-cores but the i7-7700k has only 4 cores too, so is the 7700k not future proof for aaa title games in the future because it only has 4cores? And yea I was looking at the Ryzen 5 1600x, i also heard nothing but good reviews about that cpu. But i was upgrading from a fx8350 and really wanted to Intel this time, and know that this i5-7600K has been tested a lot and benched in many many different games, mostly good reviews maybe not as great for the Newer aaa title games you were referring to. But i think what you were saying is that the i5-7600k wont be able to handle the new upcoming games and if I wanted to upgrade I would pretty much have to upgrade to a complete new build to even call it an Upgrade. right? And even though i really only play csgo, and that game is kinda old and dosen't really demand much, but yea i might want to possible play a newer title game in the future. So are you saying that im really fckd with my 6700K and 1070? guranteed? I wont enjoy good frame rate in games? And about your friend talking to people in csgo mlg that they never play on i5s? I wouldnt either, if i was a pro I would play on the most fastest cpu possible? I hope you not thinking, that i think the i5-7600k is the best Cpu platform to play on period. I think the 7600k is a great cpu for mid to high range builds. meow

[Synawke]

9 hours ago, Cazual-T said:

Woa playing csgo on a 240Hz monitor is probably amazing, experts say that most people can't even recognize 240hz. And that people who can really tell the difference are people with great attentiveness and reaction times. Im about to start playing on 144Hz monitor soon, coming from 60hz monitor. So excite =). But yea dude, sounds like you have similar issues than me but on a 'higher end level'. The 1080Ti is a god dam monster and im guessing the 4790k is an older generation of cpu's? is the 4790k 7th gen?

240hz is great. the 4790k is 4th gen. but still one of the highest preforming single core CPU out there