WTF Canada 1070ti Pricing

[mrmonmon2]

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=369,415,367,390&sort=price&page=1

 

Or look at image

 

Sort by price, cheapest 1080 is 10$ more than the cheapest 1070ti, next 1070ti is more expensive than the 4 cheapest 1080s. WHAT THE FUCK CANADA PRICING??????

 

seriously why the price so high and why the 1070 no go lower than 500 Canadian yen??????

 

 

Whoops missed an a in the title

[mrmonmon2]

To be fair pc part picker only includes 2 1070tis

 

But still they are all around that price

[Enderman]

Supply and demand.

Also, the Canadian dollar is dropping lately.

[PanteaDropper]

Only a few more days till we see just how good these cards are.

[Zyndo]

this was always the debacle surrounding the 1070ti and why it never made any sense. pricing was already so crowded between the 1070 and 1080, with performance being a mere 20% different or so... then to throw a 1070ti in the middle, lock its overclocking to keep it out of the hair of either party, and then allow AIB to make their own stuff? You're either buying a super base model 1070ti, or you're going to buy a 1080.... or you're going to buy the 1080 anyway because its still better, allows you to overclock, and costs only a couple bucks more than any 1070ti.

 

1080's gotta go up in price, or 1070's gotta go down in price, before the 1070ti makes any amount of sense

[mrmonmon2]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

Supply and demand.

Also, the Canadian dollar is dropping lately.

Still why would you directly compete your own cards against each other, not to mention the pricing is retarded and no one will buy them when you can get a decent 1080 for 10-30$ more 

1 minute ago, PanteaDropper said:

Only a few more days till we see just how good these cards are.

True

Just now, Zyndo said:

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1080's gotta go up in price, or 1070's gotta go down in price, before the 1070ti makes any amount of sense

This is what im trying to sain my confusion 

[Enderman]

3 minutes ago, mrmonmon2 said:

Still why would you directly compete your own cards against each other, not to mention the pricing is retarded and no one will buy them when you can get a decent 1080 for 10-30$ more 

Nvidia does not set the pricing you see there, the retailers do that.

Nvidia sells the cards at a set price to retailers and they can do what they want.

[Zyndo]

Just now, mrmonmon2 said:

Still why would you directly compete your own cards against each other, not to mention the pricing is retarded and no one will buy them when you can get a decent 1080 for 10-30$ more 

True

This is what im trying to sain my confusion 

Could just be they have been binning these GPU's in production all along, and they were just not good enough to make the cut for a 1080, but they were so close it was a waste to throw them at a 1070..... then with their Volta launch schedule Nvidia is just sitting there twiddling their thumbs goin' "well shit what do we do with all this product?" Their marketing department is trying to make it all disappear before Volta comes... or maybe they had this plan all along back when their 1080's had the original 599 MSRP (or 649 or whatever the original price was) but then it got cut down to 500 MSP, leaving them screwed on this plan of theirs for a 1070ti, because at the 1080's original MSRP there would have been room for a 1070ti. 

 

who knows. All i know is I'm not dropping my 980ti for any of this crap, I'm waiting for volta

[NoRomanBatmansAllowed]

lmao, guess it's just Canada being Canada and imposing tons of tariffs on imports.

[dizmo]

To be fair, it's still pretty new, and those could be place holder prices. That's why there aren't a lot of them either.

Give it a while for everything to sort itself out. Stock, supply, market demand, etc.

I find PCPartPicker is also pretty poor when it comes to Canadian pricing. It's best to search out the sites yourself. For example the R1 is something like $30 cheaper on one parts site that isn't even listed on PCPartPicker.

 

22 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Supply and demand.

Also, the Canadian dollar is dropping lately.

Eh, I don't think the dollar would affect it. It didn't drop that much, fractions of a cent.

18 minutes ago, mrmonmon2 said:

Still why would you directly compete your own cards against each other, not to mention the pricing is retarded and no one will buy them when you can get a decent 1080 for 10-30$ more

It's a new product, and I don't imagine pricing will stay there. I think it's also likely to do with the 1070 already having an inflated price, since the 1070Ti is better, it has to be more expensive, thus encroaches more onto the 1080. If everything were closer to what the cards should be retailing at the pricing scheme would likely make more sense.

14 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Nvidia does not set the pricing you see there, the retailers do that.

Nvidia sells the cards at a set price to retailers and they can do what they want.

Nvidia doesn't sell the cards either, to be fair. They sell the GPU. They likely don't care what the cards are priced at once the GPU leaves their factories.

1 minute ago, bob51zhang said:

lmao, guess it's just Canada being Canada and imposing tons of tariffs on imports.

Actually Canada imposes very few tariffs on electronics imports. If you were to import it yourself, for instance, it's duty free.

[Enderman]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

Eh, I don't think the dollar would affect it. It didn't drop that much, fractions of a cent.

 

Actually Canada imposes very few tariffs on electronics imports. If you were to import it yourself, for instance, it's duty free.

It went from .83 to .77 USD in a matter of a few months, that's a big drop.

 

And no, importing duties are still extremely high for electronics, idk where the heck you're getting that info from.

[dizmo]

5 minutes ago, Enderman said:

It went from .83 to .77 USD in a matter of a few months, that's a big drop.

 

And no, importing duties are still extremely high for electronics, idk where the heck you're getting that info from.

The CDN usually hovers around 0.80. It's not enough to drastically change the price of a product.

 

The fact that I imported over $5,000 of electronics over a few months and paid $0 in duty is where I'm getting that from. You can also cross reference the HS codes with the CBSA database. They're duty exempt.

[Enderman]

5 minutes ago, dizmo said:

The CDN usually hovers around 0.80. It's not enough to drastically change the price of a product.

 

The fact that I imported over $5,000 of electronics over a few months and paid $0 in duty is where I'm getting that from. You can also cross reference the HS codes with the CBSA database. They're duty exempt.

Well not here in BC at least.

And yes .06 is quite a big change, it's like $100 more per grand that I spend in the US which I could have saved if I bought a few months ago when it was still going up.

[dizmo]

Just now, Enderman said:

Well not here in BC at least.

And yes .06 is quite a big change, it's like $100 more per grand that I spend in the US which I could have saved if I bought a few months ago when it was still going up.

$60, so half, but who's counting

Tariff codes don't change province to province, and I was living in Vancouver when I had my import business.

Here's a helpful calculator http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voyage/dte-acl/est-cal-eng.html

Put in Provice, Electronics, Computers and you come out with....no tariffs. Because they're duty exempt.

[Enderman]

2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

$60, so half, but who's counting

Tariff codes don't change province to province, and I was living in Vancouver when I had my import business.

Here's a helpful calculator http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-voyage/dte-acl/est-cal-eng.html

Put in Provice, Electronics, Computers and you come out with....no tariffs. Because they're duty exempt.

Why does it show $120 for me then when I put the price as $1000.....

That's 12%.

It's even higher for consoles or batteries.

 

[dizmo]

Just now, Enderman said:

Why does it show $120 for me then when I put the price as $1000.....

That's 12%.

It's even higher for consoles or batteries.

 

That's called sales tax...

[Enderman]

Just now, dizmo said:

That's called sales tax...

Yeah, so if you bring in stuff from the US you need to pay additional taxes on it even though you didn't buy it in canada.

That's on top of the tax you pay when you buy it in the US.

[dizmo]

3 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Yeah, so if you bring in stuff from the US you need to pay additional taxes on it even though you didn't buy it in canada.

That's on top of the tax you pay when you buy it in the US.

Yes, but that's not duty or a tariff. They're entirely different things. Order on Amazon and most states don't charge sales tax. Same applies for quite a few other online retailers. Batteries is higher because there are additional environmental levies, though it's interesting there's duty on consoles. Those are a little off topic though 90% of electronics are exempt. 99% of the time you won't even get charged duty if it's applicable, and a common HS code is easier to find.

 

[Enderman]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

Yes, but that's not duty or a tariff. They're entirely different things. Order on Amazon and most states don't charge sales tax. Same applies for quite a few other online retailers. Batteries is higher because there are additional environmental levies, though it's interesting there's duty on consoles. Those are a little off topic though 90% of electronics are exempt. 99% of the time you won't even get charged duty if it's applicable, and a common HS code is easier to find.

 

It says "duties and taxes", it's all just money, all the same to me.

Point is that you can't just bring stuff in for free.

[dizmo]

Just now, Enderman said:

It says "duties and taxes", it's all just money, all the same to me.

Point is that you can't just bring stuff in for free.

So now you've resorted to arguing semantics? 12% is the sales tax, thus, there are no duties. It's not that hard to figure out.

Obviously you can't just bring in stuff for free, only an idiot would think they could.