Gaming at 1440p effectively.

[Brony]

So I'm building a new gaming PC after 6 years of playing on my extremely outdated PC. This will be used exclusively for gaming and VR and in this upgrade I would love to play in 1440p/2K resolution. I'll link my build so far from PC part picker at the end, but I'm having trouble picking a case out for it. I don't care for RGB and will be air cooling my PC exclusively as I have had bad experiences with radiators and water cooled builds in the past. As long as it's quiet and has great cable management that's all I care about. Now there isn't a budget for this build, but anywhere I can save money would be amazing as I'm looking to move in the coming months. What I want from this PC is to be able to play AAA games at 1440p easily such as Star Wars Battlefront 2 and Destiny 2. VR will also be an option later down the road, but not right now. If I'm wrong and I don't need a 1080 ti or the new i7-8700K processor to be able to easily run games at 1440p feel free to change my build. Thanks guys.

 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sTYrd6

[Jurrunio]

Get an HDD instead and add an SSD. Most SSHDs are crap, not much faster than HDD but much slower than SSD, with a greatly inflated price tag.

 

You need the 8700k and 1080ti for 165Hz gaming at 1440p. Waiting till next year can help you spend less on the same hardware.

[Brony]

Got it, HDD it is. So why wait until next year? I'm just curious how it'll be cheaper, are new parts coming out? Thanks.

[JaegerB]

A 1080 is enough for 2k, and depending on what we see from 1070 Ti benchmarks that might end up being a better choice for 1440p. However since you're aiming for 165 hz, the 1080Ti is good. In terms of cases, the Cooler Master Mastercase series are pretty good for airflow, but it is largely up to personal preference, and what you value in a case. Some people care a lot about cable management, others more about modularity, etc.

[JaegerB]

Just now, Brony said:

Got it, HDD it is. So why wait until next year? I'm just curious how it'll be cheaper, are new parts coming out? Thanks.

Remember to quote people  Yeah, nvidia's new GPUs (volta) come out first half next year.

[light-v]

Just now, Brony said:

Got it, HDD it is. So why wait until next year? I'm just curious how it'll be cheaper, are new parts coming out? Thanks.

Ryzen 2 will probably drop the price a little and depreciation in general (even if you buy Intel). Also Volta may enter mass production but there is no guarantee. 

[manikyath]

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Get an HDD instead and add an SSD. Most SSHDs are crap, not much faster than HDD but much slower than SSD, with a greatly inflated price tag.

backing this. SSHD's are great on paper, but in the real world the moment you do anything other than loading up windows you hit that brick wall where their usefulness kinda tapers off to neglible.

[Streetguru]

12 minutes ago, Brony said:

 

You don't need to spend anywhere near that much btw, one sec

 

[Brony]

Just now, Streetguru said:

You don't need to spend anywhere near that much btw, do you care about saving a ton of cash?

 

I do care about saving money, however over clocking isn't an option for me because I want this build to be reliable for many years with hardly and hick-ups. If you can think of a way where I can get the performance and quality I want and still save can, absolutely I would love to save money.

[Brony]

6 minutes ago, JaegerB said:

Remember to quote people  Yeah, nvidia's new GPUs (volta) come out first half next year.

What do we know about these GPU's? Is it possible that the new GPU will beat out the 1080 ti while keeping a close price tag to the 1080 ti?

[Streetguru]

Just now, Brony said:

I do care about saving money, however over clocking isn't an option for me because I want this build to be reliable for many years with hardly and hick-ups. If you can think of a way where I can get the performance and quality I want and still save can, absolutely I would love to save money.

Overclocking is reliable, unless you go extreme on the voltage for daily use, for Ryzen you don't want to go much past 1.35V for daily use, should be able to hit 3800 easy, 3900+ depending on your luck

Ya, probably just go Ryzen and save some cash overall you also really don't need all of those fans, Vega 56 because...

Pixio is about to come out with a refresh of their $399 1440p 144hz IPS free-sync display
https://pixiogaming.com/collections/monitors/products/new-px277

Last gen Pixio display

You can install and use windows 100% without a key directly from microsoft, forgot to add a hard drive though

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hRzMLD
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hRzMLD/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8-Core Processor  ($299.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Universal 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($42.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 KILLER SLI/ac ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($143.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($156.34 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Storage: Western Digital - Green 240GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($83.11 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX VEGA 56 8GB Video Card  ($419.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterCase 5 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($102.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - PRIME Gold 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($121.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1371.17
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-30 18:51 EDT-0400

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, Brony said:

What do we know about these GPU's? Is it possible that the new GPU will beat out the 1080 ti while keeping a close price tag to the 1080 ti?

There's Ryzen vs 7700K, 8700K should be a bit faster in some games, will have no difference in others, same with the VR results below
 

 

 

[AdDicti]

4 minutes ago, Brony said:

I do care about saving money, however over clocking isn't an option for me because I want this build to be reliable for many years with hardly and hick-ups. If you can think of a way where I can get the performance and quality I want and still save can, absolutely I would love to save money.

If you're not gonna overclock you could save cash by getting the i7-8700 and a cheaper motherboard.

[Brony]

6 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Overclocking is reliable, unless you go extreme on the voltage for daily use, for Ryzen you don't want to go much past 1.35V for daily use, should be able to hit 3800 easy, 3900+ depending on your luck

Ya, probably just go Ryzen and save some cash overall you also really don't need all of those fans, Vega 56 because...

Pixio is about to come out with a refresh of their $399 1440p 144hz IPS free-sync display
https://pixiogaming.com/collections/monitors/products/new-px277

Last gen Pixio display

You can install and use windows 100% without a key directly from microsoft, forgot to add a hard drive though

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hRzMLD
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hRzMLD/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8-Core Processor  ($299.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Universal 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($42.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 KILLER SLI/ac ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($143.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($156.34 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Storage: Western Digital - Green 240GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($83.11 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX VEGA 56 8GB Video Card  ($419.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterCase 5 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($102.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - PRIME Gold 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($121.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1371.17
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-30 18:51 EDT-0400

Will the video card handle AAA title games and still hit the 144 Hertz effectively, and is SLI an option with the card should I need to upgrade in the future?

[Streetguru]

1 minute ago, Brony said:

Will the video card handle AAA title games and still hit the 144 Hertz effectively, and is SLI an option with the card should I need to upgrade in the future?

So your CPU will determine your Refresh Rate bottle neck
Your GPU will determine your Resolution bottleneck

With Vega 56 you should be more than fine in AAA games, at most you'll need to lower some settings like AA or Shadows, people put out optimization guides al l the time for getting your FPS up without losing much quality.

Should also take like 5 minutes to flash Vega 56 to 64 BIOS and get it closer to a 1080 in performance if you go that route

 

but the savings on the monitor are the big reason to go for Vega.
 

 

[Jurrunio]

I strongly oppose using Ryzen for high refresh gaming. Single core performance just isnt good enough.

[Streetguru]

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

I strongly oppose using Ryzen for high refresh gaming. Single core performance just isnt good enough.

Still over 100fps in most AAA games as in the comparison video above.

[JaegerB]

2 hours ago, Brony said:

What do we know about these GPU's? Is it possible that the new GPU will beat out the 1080 ti while keeping a close price tag to the 1080 ti?

We know for a fact that the Volta-based server GPUs which have already been released have an insane 132% performance increase over the Pascal server GPUs. While it's unlikely that this will be the same with the consumer cards, it's certain that there will be a significant increase. In terms of price, there have been rumours that Volta will be a little pricey to begin with, but an advantage of this is just that Pascal prices will be pushed down a fair bit, so a 1080 Ti will be affordable for most who might otherwise be buying a 1080 right now.

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, Streetguru said:

Still over 100fps in most AAA games as in the comparison video above.

This matters when the monitor id a 165Hz model

[Streetguru]

22 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

This matters when the monitor id a 165Hz model

The gap between intel/AMD won't be as large at 1440p compared to 1080p, esports games will still run plenty fast to saturate the display

Plus RAM compatibility has been getting a lot better, my ripjaws is hitting 3066mhz, should help out as well.

Is the 8700K in stock yet?

[lukart]

4 hours ago, Streetguru said:

Overclocking is reliable, unless you go extreme on the voltage for daily use, for Ryzen you don't want to go much past 1.35V for daily use, should be able to hit 3800 easy, 3900+ depending on your luck

Ya, probably just go Ryzen and save some cash overall you also really don't need all of those fans, Vega 56 because...

Pixio is about to come out with a refresh of their $399 1440p 144hz IPS free-sync display
https://pixiogaming.com/collections/monitors/products/new-px277

Last gen Pixio display

You can install and use windows 100% without a key directly from microsoft, forgot to add a hard drive though

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hRzMLD
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hRzMLD/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8-Core Processor  ($299.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H5 Universal 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($42.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - X370 KILLER SLI/ac ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($143.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($156.34 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Storage: Western Digital - Green 240GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($83.11 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX VEGA 56 8GB Video Card  ($419.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master - MasterCase 5 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($102.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: SeaSonic - PRIME Gold 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($121.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1371.17
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-10-30 18:51 EDT-0400

 

 

Also not to mention the AM4 will most likely support future CPUs where intel, on each gen, they almost force you to buy a new mobo if you want to upgrade the CPU.