Is X58 worth it right now?

[zmetek]

I just wanted to ask if X58 is worth it right now.

I am looking at the ASUS Sabertooth model with USB 3.0 and SATA III, so those two are still really good and modern. Something like a X5670 overclocked to 4.x GHz still is really good and I heard that at that frequency it is next to none, if any bottleneck to a GTX 1080Ti, so the CPU itself is good too as far as I can go (I will not be using a GTX 1080Ti). My only concern right now is the PCIe standard, with PCIe 4.0 GPUs said to be coming sometimes next year I think it is an actual threat to the 2nd generation, even the highest-end GPUs were fine with the 2nd generation up to this point, but moving to another level the 3rd will become the old standard and with this being even older I think the actual port itself might become the bottleneck.

What do you guys think?

[Jurrunio]

Performance is not an issue. Increasing motherboard prices and decreasing availability are.

[i_build_nanosuits]

i would rather get a cheap Ryzen 3 and a budget motherboard instead, especially if the intent is gaming...or maybe even an i3-8100 and a cheap board once those come out...that way you can upgrade to higher end CPU's in the future and you get a slew of modern features.

[zmetek]

2 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

i would rather get a cheap Ryzen 3 and a budget motherboard instead, especially if the intent is gaming...or maybe even an i3-8100 and a cheap board once those come out...that way you can upgrade to higher end CPU's in the future and you get a slew of modern features.

I do 3D modelling, game creation, video editing etc. A cheap gaming CPU I think isn't capable of doing much in this department.

[i_build_nanosuits]

1 minute ago, zmetek said:

I do 3D modelling, game creation, video editing etc. A cheap gaming CPU I think isn't capable of doing much in this department.

are you doing it professionally? in that...is it your work? do you make money off of this?

[zmetek]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Performance is not an issue. Increasing motherboard prices and decreasing availability are.

What do you base this statment of? It will double the bandwidth of PCIe 3.0, so I personally see it as a threat, I would like to have a reason to believe you.

[zmetek]

1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

are you doing it professionally? in that...is it your work? do you make money off of this?

My main job is progamming, but I do all of that stuff mainly for fun and some quick cash, even when working not-so-profesionally I can't personally imagine doing it on a low end CPU...

[i_build_nanosuits]

4 minutes ago, zmetek said:

My main job is progamming, but I do all of that stuff mainly for fun and some quick cash, even when working not-so-profesionally I can't personally imagine doing it on a low end CPU...

you have to realise that those X58 CPU's even though they have 6 cores and 12 threads and are cheap, the boards are usually rare and expensive...and something like that X5670 came out back in 2010...this is 7 years ago+...so the single-threaded performance is MUCH MUCH worse than current CPU's...even compared to something like sandy-bridge they were much slower...and single-threaded performance is still very relevant to you even though some of these sofwares will use multiple threads for the rendering portion, i would assume most of the editing stage will benefit more for stronger, faster CPU cores...anyways.

 

i guess it depends on price you can find these parts, especially the motheboard...but personally i would rather spend a bit more an a Ryzen R5 1600 for example and a cheaper B350 motherboard.

 

These X58 CPU,s arent bad FOR THE MONEY, but compared to current modern CPU's they are nowhere near as good...they are a bargain and that's why online reviewers say they are GOOD...but they are good FOR THE MONEY...not like...GOOD...

[Jurrunio]

14 minutes ago, zmetek said:

What do you base this statment of? It will double the bandwidth of PCIe 3.0, so I personally see it as a threat, I would like to have a reason to believe you.

PCIe 3 is already fast enough for any GPU to use with plenty to spare in x16 mode. Unless you use PCIe based storage there's no point in chasing PCIe 4.

[zmetek]

5 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

you have to realise that those X58 CPU's even though they have 6 cores and 12 threads and are cheap, the boards are usually rare and expensive...and something like that X5670 came out back in 2010...this is 7 years ago+...so the single-threaded performance is MUCH MUCH worse than current CPU's...even compared to something like sandy-bridge they were much slower...and single-threaded performance is still very relevant to you even though some of these sofwares will use multiple threads for the rendering portion, i would assume most of the editing stage will benefit more for stronger, faster CPU cores...anyways.

 

i guess it depends on price you can find these parts, especially the motheboard...but personally i would rather spend a bit more an a Ryzen R5 1600 for example and a cheaper B350 motherboard.

 

These X58 CPU,s arent bad FOR THE MONEY, but compared to current modern CPU's they are nowhere near as good...they are a bargain and that's why online reviewers say they are GOOD...but they are good FOR THE MONEY...not like...GOOD...

The problem with that is you can get a motherboard with a CPU for much cheaper than a R5 1600 itself, RAM is also much cheaper, especially now and I am begging to be proved wrong, but when overclocked I don't think there is even gonna be much difference.

[zmetek]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

PCIe 3 is already fast enough for any GPU to use with plenty to spare in x16 mode. Unless you use PCIe based storage there's no point in chasing PCIe 4.

Sounds great!

[Jurrunio]

3 minutes ago, zmetek said:

Sounds great!

Some corrections. Even PCIe storage available now only come in PCIe 3 x4 or x8 form only, which means even PCIe 2.x can satisfy their need on bandwidth if they use x16

[TidaLWaveZ]

You can get a top of the line X99 mobo(Asus X99 Deluxe) used right now for the same price as an X58 board.

 

Sure the 5820k will likely run you $100 more than an X5670 but the performance would be tremendously higher for that $100.

 

Type in X99 on ebay, I've seen X99 Deluxe for $100 (Buy it Now price), that's the kind of deal you need to take advantage of.

[kelvinhall05]

If you can buy a cheap motherboard (like, under $150), then yes. Otherwise, just get X99 and wait for chip prices to drop (ask @CUDA_Cores for more information).

[zmetek]

8 minutes ago, TidaLWaveZ said:

You can get a top of the line X99 mobo(Asus X99 Deluxe) used right now for the same price as an X58 board.

 

Sure the 5820k will likely run you $100 more than an X5670 but the performance would be tremendously higher for that $100.

 

Cheapest 5820k I can find on eBay (no access to Amazon in my country) is 210 euros, cheapest X5670 I can find on Aliexpress is 41 euros,as far as I know that is not 100, but much more.

 

EDIT: I did a quick search for motherboards and I can find both at the same price.

[zmetek]

7 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

(ask @CUDA_Cores for more information).

What do you mean by that? Who is he and why should I?

[Qyoon]

I still have a X58 Rampage II Extreme with an I7 920 @4Ghz on the side..

It's still doing great when you pair it with a good graphics card.

Only issue is... the price atm and the heat...

Seriously the I7 920 runs so hot... and the chipset too lol.

Unless you can get oen for super cheap , i won't recommend X58.

[TidaLWaveZ]

1 minute ago, zmetek said:

Cheapest 5820k I can find on eBay (no access to Amazon in my country) is 210 euros, cheapest X5670 I can find on Aliexpress is 41 euros,as far as I know that is not 100, but much more.

Does that include US biddings?

 

I've been watching 5820k's go for $200, the buy it now price has been stuck around $250.

 

[zmetek]

Just now, TidaLWaveZ said:

Does that include US biddings?

 

I've been watching 5820k's go for $200, the buy it now price has been stuck around $250.

 

I am only counting Buy It Now prices, I am not really interested in autions to be fair.

[TidaLWaveZ]

2 minutes ago, zmetek said:

I am only counting Buy It Now prices, I am not really interested in autions to be fair.

Understandable.

 

I live for the thrill of those auctions, when I win I get the sensation that I've gotten away with a crime.

[kelvinhall05]

14 minutes ago, zmetek said:

What do you mean by that? Who is he and why should I?

He'll tell you why it's a good idea to buy an X99 board right now, and why it's worth investing in one for the long run.

[Vode]

Only the X58 motherboards with USB3.0 and SATA III are worth it IMO since Ryzen launched. And only if you overclock the CPU.

 

If you get one for a good price I‘d say go for it. It‘s a fun platform to tinker with! But I wouldn‘t spend more than 200 bucks at this point. As another poster said they run hot overclocked, especially the chipset.

[zmetek]

3 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

He'll tell you why it's a good idea to buy an X99 board right now, and why it's worth investing in one for the long run.

I have messaged him, might make me do that if the reasons are any good.

[zmetek]

12 minutes ago, Vode said:

Only the X58 motherboards with USB3.0 and SATA III are worth it IMO since Ryzen launched. And only if you overclock the CPU.

 

If you get one for a good price I‘d say go for it. It‘s a fun platform to tinker with! But I wouldn‘t spend more than 200 bucks at this point. As another poster said they run hot overclocked, especially the chipset.

Yeah, I still see it as an viable option, but I am getting somewhat more convinced on getting X99, I will wait on the reply from that guy which is supposed to convince me and I'll see.

[kelvinhall05]

17 minutes ago, zmetek said:

I have messaged him, might make me do that if the reasons are any good.

In short, big companies like Dell and HP will want the latest and greatest in their servers, so they'll sell their X99 CPUs for dirt cheap, so there will be lots to choose from for not a lot of money (compared to the performance they give; they might still cost a pretty penny).