8700k Vs Ryzen (New Build)

[GrandFatMan]

3 minutes ago, Phobiarg said:

What is your budget? You are saying its flexible, but what price do you have in mind? Do you have a monitor in mind? I see you say 1080p, is there any reason you're not looking at going higher like 1440p, 4k or 144+hz? Do you already own the 980ti?

Looking at around £1200 - £1300 (GBP, i'm in the UK)  in total. This will include monitor and peripherals. Looking at bog standard ultrawide or 27 1080. Don't already have the GPU. But kinda got my "heart" set on a 980ti. 

 

Reason i'm not going higher is because i don't want to spend a ridiculous amount on a monitor. And not bothered about 4k, i'd rather just have a decent 1080. Reason for no higher refresh rate, is i just want games to run "well" i'm not a competitive gamer so it doesn't really bother me. 
 

[Phobiarg]

24 minutes ago, GrandFatMan said:

Looking at around £1200 - £1300 (GBP, i'm in the UK)  in total. This will include monitor and peripherals. Looking at bog standard ultrawide or 27 1080. Don't already have the GPU. But kinda got my "heart" set on a 980ti. 

 

Reason i'm not going higher is because i don't want to spend a ridiculous amount on a monitor. And not bothered about 4k, i'd rather just have a decent 1080. Reason for no higher refresh rate, is i just want games to run "well" i'm not a competitive gamer so it doesn't really bother me. 
 

Ok, the 980ti is the last generation, they're not the easiest to come by anymore. The 1080ti is the new version, you're going to pay for it though.A 1070 has roughly the same performance as the 980ti. The 1080 is the middle ground between the 2 and is probably the best compromise. Here's 3 builds using a 1600, a 1700 and an 8700k. The price differences are pretty substantial. If you drop to a 1070 which is still a hair faster than the 980ti and is overkill for 1080p/60 you can save ~£110 off of each build. Even the 1600 build will get you more than 60fps with a 1070 for all the AAA titles I can think of. The only reason to go with more horsepower is to get a high end monitor like I was mentioning previously. The difference between 61fps and 180fps on a 60hz monitor is meaningless as you are still exceeding what the monitor can display.

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/LkGwLD
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/LkGwLD/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  (£179.93 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX B350-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£106.81 @ More Computers) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (£159.59 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£106.96 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Seagate - Constellation ES.2 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£51.60 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card  (£489.95 @ Aria PC) 
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£49.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£78.97 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £1223.80

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/sNJPwV
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/sNJPwV/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  (£251.94 @ Aria PC) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£129.54 @ Aria PC) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (£159.59 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£106.96 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Seagate - Constellation ES.2 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£51.60 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card  (£489.95 @ Aria PC) 
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£49.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£78.97 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £1318.54
 

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Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/GmVHPs/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  (£381.47 @ BT Shop) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  (£34.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£158.96 @ More Computers) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (£159.59 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£106.96 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Seagate - Constellation ES.2 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£51.60 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card  (£489.95 @ Aria PC) 
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£49.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£78.97 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £1512.48

[GrandFatMan]

2 minutes ago, Phobiarg said:

Ok, the 980ti is the last generation, they're not the easiest to come by anymore. The 1080ti is the new version, you're going to pay for it though.A 1070 has roughly the same performance as the 980ti. The 1080 is the middle ground between the 2 and is probably the best compromise. Here's 3 builds using a 1600, a 1700 and an 8700k. The price differences are pretty substantial. If you drop to a 1070 which is still a hair faster than the 980ti and is overkill for 1080p/60 you can save ~£110 off of each build. Even the 1600 build will get you more than 60fps with a 1070 for all the AAA titles I can think of. The only reason to go with more horsepower is to get a high end monitor like I was mentioning previously. The difference between 130fps and 180fps on a 60hz monitor is meaningless as you are still doubling what the monitor can display.

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/LkGwLD
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/LkGwLD/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor  (£179.93 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: Asus - STRIX B350-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£106.81 @ More Computers) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (£159.59 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£106.96 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Seagate - Constellation ES.2 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£51.60 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card  (£489.95 @ Aria PC) 
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£49.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£78.97 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £1223.80

 

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/sNJPwV
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/sNJPwV/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  (£251.94 @ Aria PC) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£129.54 @ Aria PC) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (£159.59 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£106.96 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Seagate - Constellation ES.2 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£51.60 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card  (£489.95 @ Aria PC) 
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£49.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£78.97 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £1318.54
 

PCPartPicker part list: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/GmVHPs
Price breakdown by merchant: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/GmVHPs/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor  (£381.47 @ BT Shop) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  (£34.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk) 
Motherboard: Asus - Prime Z370-A ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (£158.96 @ More Computers) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (£159.59 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 250GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£106.96 @ Aria PC) 
Storage: Seagate - Constellation ES.2 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (£51.60 @ Aria PC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB WINDFORCE OC 8G Video Card  (£489.95 @ Aria PC) 
Case: Fractal Design - Focus G (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case  (£49.99 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: Corsair - RMx 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  (£78.97 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £1512.48

I would be able to get prices lower. As scan have some good storage deals and ram in would probably buy used. 980ti i can get over here sub 300 quid. So that is the draw for last gen gpu. No doubt the 1600 would be fine for gaming. But I'm now starting to think the 1700 would help when it came to productivity. As I'm planning on starting a YouTube channel. Un related to tech but something I want to do for myself (in regards to my weight loss journey) so even if it doesnt pick up traction i still want to create content regularly-ish. 

[GrandFatMan]

Also I'm thinking of casually streaming when I game. A why not kind of thing. 

[StealthArsenal]

Trying looking at this a different way maybe.  How much of your time will be devoted or used towards content creation.  If that outweighs your casual gaming the. Go Ryzen 1700.  If you game more, the 8700k will offer you the better performance.  I understand your indecisiveness.   I am probably making the wrong decision myself going back to Intel enthusiast, but an x299 system seems to meet  both criteria for me.  With that, answer the above question and I think you will have your decision.  

[Zeitec]

The 8700k performs better and costs more. If you can afford the 8700k, get it. if you can't the 8600k is also fine if you're only gaming. Otherwise, get the highest end Ryzen chip you can afford. 

[Jon Jon]

Either will work in all honesty.

 

I just want to see how the 8700K scales in heavy OBS workloads, as I can game, stream, and record without performance impact on my R7 1700, but the 8700K with less threads may be impacted.

 

If you are working with the Adobe Suite, the 8700K with its higher IPC will benefit you there.

 

The 8700K is the overall best performance for now, but if you plan to get into streaming more heavily, you will want to be on a platform that offers more threads and a better path IMO.

 

I just want to see some benchmarks and testing to see just how well the 8700K scales in that specific workload.

 

I am sure it will be fine if you are just streaming and gaming, since OBS should really only be poking at 2 threads for 1080P60 very fast CPU preset streaming.

[xsimplyjosh]

If you are primarily using adobe for content creation, intel is personally the way to go... I know it myself as I do lightroom, photoshop and a bit of premiere pro. Tho obviously the 8700k is out and better than my current 7700k, i'm not entirely desperate.

 

Are you intending to play high fps 1080p gaming or just standard 60fps? With streaming you'll most likely be limited to 60fps max, one way or another since video output max Hz is 60. For my case I'm doing 1440p at 144-165Hz gaming, so primarily still GPU bound even with a 7700k... But your mileage may vary based on this answer. If you want high fps gaming without much bottlenecking the intel lineup is predominantly better due to higher clock speeds. But if you favor more content creation with casual gaming, maybe I Would suggest ryzen due to the extra core/threads if you are getting the R7 series.

 

That being said I'm still trying to study the difference between both chips, it seems intel has the edge and the price hike may be justifiable to some extent...

[GrandFatMan]

Premiere will favour higher IPC, but also thread count. As will the games i want to play. workload will be probably 50 / 50 split between productivity and gaming, which makes the choice that much harder. 

I suppose the other way of looking at it would be if i saved money by going Ryzen, i get a bigger / extra SSD. 

[GrandFatMan]

I really wish the choice was more obvious. But with the workload being 50 / 50 favouring IPC over threads, and vice versa it's a hard choice. I mean, with the ryzen 1700 the 8700k is an extra 160 or so for the platform if i went x370. The gap widens if i go b350. The draw of higher IPC is definatley there, but so is the extra 4 (all be it slower) threads. 

[Steeler1994]

Just go with the 8700k, Zen 2 doesn't come out until 2019. Quite frankly, the 8700k will last you for many years. You're likely to upgrade your GPU several times before you upgrade the 8700k. Right now, the 8700k beats out Ryzen is gaming by a pretty big margin depending on what resolution/refresh rate you are playing at.You also have more cores and threads from a productive standpoint and from what i'm reading, Intel favors your programs. 

[Dash Lambda]

I got a 1700X with a similar intention (to not do another platform upgrade for a few years) and personally I feel quite good about it.

I can't make a suggestion, because it's really a matter of preference, but I do have an R7 CPU with a 980ti and a 1080p monitor and it's great.

[Drekky]

Honestly, you wont need to upgrade for atleast 3 years if you get the i7 8700k.

I'd say go for 8700k if you can, tho 1700 is pretty neat.

[AMDPRO]

This is an unfair comparison, it’s like comparing a actual lambo to the one Linus drives. They look the same on the outside but the price and ipc is different. Go with 1700 support till 2020

[pas008]

If you can afford the extra 8700k

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_8700K/18.html

[GrandFatMan]

I'm definatley leaning towards the blue team, simply because of out of the box performance. and the fact that it should last me a decent length of time without the need to upgrade in the next few years. 

[Steeler1994]

54 minutes ago, GrandFatMan said:

I'm definatley leaning towards the blue team, simply because of out of the box performance. and the fact that it should last me a decent length of time without the need to upgrade in the next few years. 

Smart move. You won't regret it.