Ryzen vs Coffee Lake?

[Gyuwona]

Hey guys,

since it is was a traditional holiday in korea, I got some (well lots) money from my relatives, and I was thinking of upgrading my cpu + mobo

I got like 400 USD but just remember that pc parts are much more expansive here

 

right now I got a i3 6100 and a MSi H110M board with CM Hyper 212 EVO (yes, Ik, overkill but I was a noob at the time I built the pc)

and I was thinking of getting a R5 1400 with some middleish B350 Mobo with a 120mm AIO, UNTIL I watched linuses review of the new lineup

and me being an AMD fanboy, (I am)  I just thought fuck intel, imma go with AMD anyways, but as I watched, I really started to doubt the ptp of the ryzen compared to the coffee lake.

 

So my options are either R5 1400, B350 + 120mm AIO OR i5 8400 + some low end mobo + my current cooler.

 

I would love to have the Ryzen but the i5s core counts look quite attractive to me, so ugh, you guys tell me your opinions so I can decide.

(I could ask for more money from my parents and go for a 1600 instead but lets not put that in the equasion)

 

thanks :))

[knightslugger]

It's the same as it has been. Damn near identical IPCs between Intel and AMD with Intel offering with higher clocks with their chips at a premium.

[Gawron10001]

Go for I5, it is really good deal. Or for ryzen if u wana save a a buck. It depends what are you doing

 

My personal experiance, for the past month i was thinking about ryzen 5, now it is definitly i5 8400

 

[WebPlayz]

7 minutes ago, Gyuwona said:

Hey guys,

since it is was a traditional holiday in korea, I got some (well lots) money from my relatives, and I was thinking of upgrading my cpu + mobo

I got like 400 USD but just remember that pc parts are much more expansive here

 

right now I got a i3 6100 and a MSi H110M board with CM Hyper 212 EVO (yes, Ik, overkill but I was a noob at the time I built the pc)

and I was thinking of getting a R5 1400 with some middleish B350 Mobo with a 120mm AIO, UNTIL I watched linuses review of the new lineup

and me being an AMD fanboy, (I am)  I just thought fuck intel, imma go with AMD anyways, but as I watched, I really started to doubt the ptp of the ryzen compared to the coffee lake.

 

So my options are either R5 1400, B350 + 120mm AIO OR i5 8400 + some low end mobo + my current cooler.

 

I would love to have the Ryzen but the i5s core counts look quite attractive to me, so ugh, you guys tell me your opinions so I can decide.

(I could ask for more money from my parents and go for a 1600 instead but lets not put that in the equasion)

 

thanks :))

Just get Ryzen. It's more cost affordable and Is UP there with most tasks. As You won't notice a major performance loss or any at all. 

[Gawron10001]

1 minute ago, Killstreak said:

Just get Ryzen. It's more cost affordable and Is UP there with most tasks. As You won't notice a major performance loss or any at all. 

I disagree. Ryzen 5 actually is better if wanna use for gaming. If for real work i5 8400 definitly

[Gawron10001]

Better price = performance in gaming

[Gyuwona]

3 minutes ago, Gawron10001 said:

Go for I5, it is really good deal. Or for ryzen if u wana save a a buck. It depends what are you doing

 

My personal experiance, for the past month i was thinking about ryzen 5, now it is definitly i5 8400

 

 

4 minutes ago, knightslugger said:

It's the same as it has been. Damn near identical IPCs between Intel and AMD with Intel offering with higher clocks with their chips at a premium.

 

Dont you need a mobo with the 300- series chipset? kinda think those are gonna cost a ton. or are they gonna release a lower end H310 or something?

[Gawron10001]

1 minute ago, Gyuwona said:

 

 

Dont you need a mobo with the 300- series chipset? kinda think those are gonna cost a ton. or are they gonna release a lower end H310 or something?

Im afraid you need 300-series

 

1 minute ago, Gyuwona said:

 

[xsimplyjosh]

Yea the die on Coffee lake is larger, you will need a new mobo like it or not despite the pin socket still being "1151".

 

[xsimplyjosh]

That's why Skylake and Kaby Lake 6700/7700 k's were able to fit on the current z270/z170 with a bios update [for 6700k on z270 chipset]...

 

but i do welcome this change though, it will mean cofee lake will be good at both gaming and work related tasks while striking a balance between both

[Princess Luna]

You're thinking on this completely wrong, first with your reduced budget you should make as much use as you can from what you already own, get a Ryzen 5 or a CL i5 will cost you all you can afford and not be the ideal solution.

 

The right step here in my opinion is keep every thing you have, update your motherboard BIOS and throw an i7 7700 on it, this alone will be a huge upgrade from the i3 6100 and probably's going to be enough to all you want to do, while being by far the cheapest path as you can re-use just about every thing.

[Gyuwona]

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

You're thinking on this completely wrong, first with your reduced budget you should make as much use as you can from what you already own, get a Ryzen 5 or a CL i5 will cost you all you can afford and not be the ideal solution.

 

The right step here in my opinion is keep every thing you have, update your motherboard BIOS and throw an i7 7700 on it, this alone will be a huge upgrade from the i3 6100 and probably's going to be enough to all you want to do, while being by far the cheapest path as you can re-use just about every thing.

 

Hey I really love your idea, and Im glad you reminded me, and I cant say anything to call it a bad idea, but you know..

I am a massive AMD fanboy who just happens to have a 6100.. and I really want to try the Ryzen

ugh I feel like Im just ignoring your idea now, but where I live, a brand new i7 7700 is the same price as a Ryzen 1400, a nice mobo and a AIO with nice thermal compound..

 

OKay ill just admit it, I dont care about saving my money, I just want to get the newest from either of the companies

 

anyways, I will definently consider your opinion. thanks a lot!

[xsimplyjosh]

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

You're thinking on this completely wrong, first with your reduced budget you should make as much use as you can from what you already own, get a Ryzen 5 or a CL i5 will cost you all you can afford and not be the ideal solution.

 

The right step here in my opinion is keep every thing you have, update your motherboard BIOS and throw an i7 7700 on it, this alone will be a huge upgrade from the i3 6100 and probably's going to be enough to all you want to do, while being by far the cheapest path as you can re-use just about every thing.

true, playing early adopter is never the cheapest to begin with...

 

imo i agree with you, the 7700 is still a good cpu , obviously a successor has bypassed it, but that doesn't mean the 7700 is "obsolete or dead"... it still will sell for a bit until the next generation comes [when it then gets phased out].

 

also depends on what resolution you game at predominantly, cpu performance becomes more critical espscially at 1080p, but not too much at 1440p (i think? high fps) / 4k

[Gyuwona]

Just now, xsimplyjosh said:

true, playing early adopter is never the cheapest to begin with...

 

imo i agree with you, the 7700 is still a good cpu , obviously a successor has bypassed it, but that doesn't mean the 7700 is "obsolete or dead"... it still will sell for a bit until the next generation comes [when it then gets phased out].

 

also depends on what resolution you game at predominantly, cpu performance becomes more critical espscially at 1080p, but not too much at 1440p (i think? high fps) / 4k

 

I am in no way denying that the 7700 is a good cpu, but its just that I like to use the latest stuff you know? like, be the first within your friends to get a coffee lake or a ryzen?

 

Oh and sadly I only game at 1080p cos of my monitor, but after my cpu upgrade, I definently think my 970 can handle the higher definition like the 1440p.

 

Thanks Josh

[xsimplyjosh]

1 minute ago, Gyuwona said:

 

I am in no way denying that the 7700 is a good cpu, but its just that I like to use the latest stuff you know? like, be the first within your friends to get a coffee lake or a ryzen?

 

Oh and sadly I only game at 1080p cos of my monitor, but after my cpu upgrade, I definently think my 970 can handle the higher definition like the 1440p.

 

Thanks Josh

oh i wasn't saying that u said the 7700 was a sh*t cpu [i use a 7700k but only cos it was about 290usd at the time i bought it brand new] i was just reaffirming her statement one way or another

 

i personally wouldn't pay the original rrp haha at that time i bought it [479aud => 380usd] so the savings were enough for me to justify it despite knowing a successor looms around the corner.

[Princess Luna]

6 minutes ago, Gyuwona said:

a brand new i7 7700 is the same price as a Ryzen 1400, a nice mobo and a AIO with nice thermal compound..

Do take in mind the i7 7700 is significantly faster than the Ryzen 1400, not to mention with the Intel memory frequency is less important so you don't have to mind yourself much, though with Ryzen due to the Infinity Fabric limitations you need to operate at 2933mhz otherwise you'll be severely crippling its performance.

 

3 minutes ago, Gyuwona said:

I am in no way denying that the 7700 is a good cpu, but its just that I like to use the latest stuff you know?

Yes but keep in mind it isn't a fair comparison an i7 against an i5, even if it is the past generation the i7 was top of the line thus why it still is awesome performing while the i5 is mid range. The jump from generation increases performance but not all that much, the i7 7700 would be better compared to the i5 8600k and Ryzen 5 is behind all of it being realistic.

 

4 minutes ago, xsimplyjosh said:

i use a 7700k despite knowing CL came out

And yet I am replacing my i7 6700 on the i7 8700k, however this is no bleeding edge itching, I simply ran into the great opportunity to sell the system at a good pricing and I think it'll be fun rebuild my personal machine [:

 

6 minutes ago, Gyuwona said:

I definently think my 970 can handle the higher definition like the 1440p.

Yes you can game on 1440p using a GTX 970 in fact there is a great video about it here:

Keep in mind though that you might frustrate a bit if you did expect very high in-gaming settings.

[xsimplyjosh]

6 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

And yet I am replacing my i7 6700 on the i7 8700k, however this is no bleeding edge itching, I simply ran into the great opportunity to sell the system at a good pricing and I think it'll be fun rebuild my personal machine [:

Source: DigitalFoundry

well, screw me tight this is pleasing to see, seems like intel nailed it with this one, providing a modest boost in core/threads to allow slightly better workloads whilst improving game performance all at the same time... it even bests the 7700k at stock auto speeds ._. haha, you'll be surely impressed with this upgrade 4 sure

 

but then again hes testing it on 1080p so not too relevant to me since im on 1440p  [fingers crossed]

[Gyuwona]

guys

 

I just realized I sold the CPU, Mobo and Cooler

ugh

the guy just hasnt come too pick it up yet..

 

no 7700 for me then

 

16 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Do take in mind the i7 7700 is significantly faster than the Ryzen 1400, not to mention with the Intel memory frequency is less important so you don't have to mind yourself much, though with Ryzen due to the Infinity Fabric limitations you need to operate at 2933mhz otherwise you'll be severely crippling its performance.

 

would my 2133 mhz cheap ass ram be an issue with ryzen? would it chip the performance that much?

[Princess Luna]

Just now, Gyuwona said:

would my 2133 mhz cheap ass ram be an issue with ryzen? would it chip the performance that much?

Yes considerably.

 

[xsimplyjosh]

Yea you'll need high memory clock for Ryzen, which is another key factor. Intel maybe not so much but i still bank on 3000MHz if there's a good deal available which i did. 

[xsimplyjosh]

15 minutes ago, Gyuwona said:

guys

 

I just realized I sold the CPU, Mobo and Cooler

ugh

the guy just hasnt come too pick it up yet..

 

no 7700 for me then

 

 

would my 2133 mhz cheap ass ram be an issue with ryzen? would it chip the performance that much?

Do take your time lol impulse buying is never best thing, do great research.

[Gyuwona]

my god this is frustrating

[Gyuwona]

Guys, you know what? I think Im just gonna go AMD, and stay with my cheapo ram until christmas and then I might be able to upgrade to a higher frequency ram.

thanks a lot for helping me out guys, greatly appreciated.

just wish me luck on saving up for the ram now, hopefully I wont spend it all on snacks

 

anyways Thanks a lot guys, now you all have great days

[jackyw]

I am in the same boat as you. i5 8400 or Ryzen 5? I am also an AMD fanboy, but the introduction of i5 is so tempting. I am doing my research now and will decide hopefully by today.

 

Also, happy Chuseok!

[Gyuwona]

6 hours ago, jackyw said:

I am in the same boat as you. i5 8400 or Ryzen 5? I am also an AMD fanboy, but the introduction of i5 is so tempting. I am doing my research now and will decide hopefully by today.

 

Also, happy Chuseok!

GOGO AMD!

oh and thanks if you happen to be in korea too a bit late but happy chuseok for you too