will the intel retaliate ?

[BudgetBoy]

will the intel retaliate to AMD RYZEN with the release of the mcdonald's coffeelake (very terrible name) but there cpu is still expensive though .

 

what do u think about intel's answer to amd cpu ?

[Guest]

wut

[Zeitec]

That made literally no sense. However let's assume you're asking "Do you think Coffee Lake is a good answer to Ryzen?" 

 

Yes I think they're very solid chips in their own right. AMD still holds the value crown, as the 1700 and 1600 are still the best value chips on the market with the 1600 going on sale for as low as $190 and the 1700 for $260. However Intel holds the gaming crown again, while matching in multi-core. Coffee Lake is the best chip for gamers who want to play at above 60fps. 

[Anghammarad]

I will take a bath in the coffeelake =) just because I'm a caffeine junky... and like coffee or espresso or cappuccino... even though my Z77 system is still good.

[TahoeDust]

Ryzen's multicore performance was strong enough that people were willing to compromise and overlook it's weak single thread performance and poor overclocking.  Now that the multicore performance gap has been closed very significantly, Intel's massive single core advantage can no longer be ignored.

 

Ryzen is going to be moderately cheaper, both chip and CPU, but I don't think there will be any doubt which is the better performer.  

 

6 cores at 5.0GHz+?...yes please.

[DocSwag]

Coffee Lake is quite the retaliation if you ask me. The prices are pretty much in line with the past...

[Potato*Salad]

I think starbucks will smash them with their new star trek themed combo and break ass by sticking it up there to them.

[BudgetBoy]

Just now, Anghammarad said:

I will take a bath in the coffeelake =) just because I'm a caffeine junky... and like coffee or espresso or cappuccino... even though my Z77 system is still good.

i still use 3rd gen i7 3770 non k though its still good i thought i was the only one that has outdated

[Anghammarad]

Just now, BudgetBoy said:

i still use 3rd gen i7 3770 non k though its still good i thought i was the only one that has outdated

you can see the system in my signature =) 

 

It still chomps up everything I throw at it... Even witcher 3 in high setting and full HD and more.

[BudgetBoy]

3 minutes ago, TahoeDust said:

Ryzen's multicore performance was strong enough that people were willing to compromise overlook it's weak single thread performance and poor overclocking.  Now that the multicore performance gap has been closed very significantly, Intel's massive single core advantage can no longer be ignored.

 

Ryzen is going to be moderately cheaper, both chip and CPU, but I don't think there will be any doubt which is the better performer.  

how bout the multicore in intel ? there i5 is still 6c6t though

[BudgetBoy]

5 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Coffee Lake is quite the retaliation if you ask me. The prices are pretty much in line with the past...

still its expensive besides only K processors can be overclock + the price of the Z mobo its still worth a wallet though

[Zeitec]

5 minutes ago, TahoeDust said:

Ryzen's multicore performance was strong enough that people were willing to compromise overlook it's weak single thread performance and poor overclocking.  Now that the multicore performance gap has been closed very significantly, Intel's massive single core advantage can no longer be ignored.

 

Ryzen is going to be moderately cheaper, both chip and CPU, but I don't think there will be any doubt which is the better performer.  

The 1800x will probably still beat the  8700k in multicore tests, but yeah the Coffee Lake chip is probably the better chip overall

 

I wouldn't however discounting how much cheaper AMD will be. Right now on newegg the 1600x is $200. To run that chip at 4ghz on all cores, all you need is a $30 Hyper212 Evo and a $120 B350 motherboard. That's a cost of $350. Intel 8600k costs $280 and to get that core advantage up to 5ghz (which would be needed to compensate for the lack of SMT/HT) needs a $200 Z370 board and a $60-$80 120mm Liquid cooler, maybe more. That's a system cost ~$450. That's not a small jump. That's a huge price difference. For the same price as the 8600k system, you could get a 1700x system. The 8600k system is definitely faster for gaming. No contest. However for content production on a budget, I still believe that AMD is the way to go. 

[Potato*Salad]

1 minute ago, BudgetBoy said:

still its expensive besides only K processors can be overclock + the price of the Z mobo its still worth a wallet though

Intel are still ahead quite a lot in IPC.. so even if they don't OC they either match or still beat Ryzen at least in gaming and light threaded work loads which is 99% of users.

[Zeitec]

8 minutes ago, Anghammarad said:

you can see the system in my signature =) 

 

It still chomps up everything I throw at it... Even witcher 3 in high setting and full HD and more.

My 3570k struggles in some cases. Namely Fallout 4. Downtown boston it drops down to the high 30's with my 1080. Some games are unplayable because the CPU bottleneck causes such terrible hitching and stuttering. I'm hyped to get an 8700k. 

[Anghammarad]

Just now, Zeitec said:

My 3570k struggles in some cases. Namely Fallout 4. Downtown boston it drops down to the high 30's with my 1080. Some games are unplayable because the CPU bottleneck causes such terrible hitching and stuttering. I'm hyped to get an 8700k. 

Mine runs on 4.3 ghz, the ram at 2133 which gave a big feel able speed boost against the 1600. And then just the Gainward phantom GTX760... 

 

How is your config?

[Zeitec]

Just now, Anghammarad said:

Mine runs on 4.3 ghz, the ram at 2133 which gave a big feel able speed boost against the 1600. And then just the Gainward phantom GTX760... 

 

How is your config?

Mine's at 4.3ghz with 1600mhz ram. IDK about overclocking my RAM. Never tried, not sure how to. Definitely not throwing more money into the system when I'm getting a new CPU in a week.

[DocSwag]

7 minutes ago, BudgetBoy said:

still its expensive besides only K processors can be overclock + the price of the Z mobo its still worth a wallet though

Regardless though, you're essentially matching AMD in multi core and beating them in single, albeit at a higher cost.

[Fardin]

9 minutes ago, Zeitec said:

needs a $200 Z370 board

are you sure the least board price is gonna be 200$? (not talking about initial launch) I looked at pcpartpicker at last gen board price to get idea..there are 10-11 z270 boards within 100-115$ .

[Anghammarad]

Just now, Zeitec said:

Mine's at 4.3ghz with 1600mhz ram. IDK about overclocking my RAM. Never tried, not sure how to. Definitely not throwing more money into the system when I'm getting a new CPU in a week.

I got the 2133 XPG Adata ram because I like ADATA due to their stability and they were quite good in price that time. 

 

Why I know it's faster than 1600. The ADATA was coming in late, so I borrowed some 1600 stick from Kingston from work. 

[BudgetBoy]

9 minutes ago, Zeitec said:

The 1800x will probably still beat the  8700k in multicore tests, but yeah the Coffee Lake chip is probably the better chip overall

 

I wouldn't however discounting how much cheaper AMD will be. Right now on newegg the 1600x is $200. To run that chip at 4ghz on all cores, all you need is a $30 Hyper212 Evo and a $120 B350 motherboard. That's a cost of $350. Intel 8600k costs $280 and to get that core advantage up to 5ghz (which would be needed to compensate for the lack of SMT/HT) needs a $200 Z370 board and a $60-$80 120mm Liquid cooler, maybe more. That's a system cost ~$450. That's not a small jump. That's a huge price difference. For the same price as the 8600k system, you could get a 1700x system. The 8600k system is definitely faster for gaming. No contest. However for content production on a budget, I still believe that AMD is the way to go. 

will the intel match the multicore score in amd ryzen ?

[iRileyx]

2 minutes ago, BudgetBoy said:

will the intel match the multicore score in amd ryzen ?

If you compare the same amount of cores/threads yes, they'll actually beat Ryzen.

[BudgetBoy]

Just now, RKRiley said:

If you compare the same amount of cores/threads yes, they'll actually beat Ryzen.

in my opinion still no . why ? because amd ryzen had the SMT which is the intel lacks

[iRileyx]

Just now, BudgetBoy said:

in my opinion still no . why ? because amd ryzen had the SMT which is the intel lacks

Intel has hyperthreading which is basically SMT.

 

What I said is also fact, no opinion to be had on it.

[Cyracus]

while intel may hold the best gaming cpu crown, their quick change between sockets makes it more costly to upgrade. amd committed to am4 until at least 2020 so while a system you put together today might lag behind you could upgrade the cpu in 2-3 years from now and have a better performing system, and since amd is cheaper you end up spending about the same, maybe a little more than that coffee lake system, intels then current performance might still be better than what amd's offering, but you'd have to upgrade the whole system at that point so out another $500+ 

[BudgetBoy]

1 minute ago, RKRiley said:

Intel has hyperthreading which is basically SMT.

 

What I said is also fact, no opinion to be had on it.

ohhhhhh . this year will be exciting