PC BUILD

[ThomasJacobsen]

Hey, im thinking about building a new pc, and cant decide between the Ryzen 1200 + 1050 ti or Intel i5 7400 + 1060 3gb. The rest of the specs are identical. Wich will perform better?

 

Spec of 1060: https://www.komplett.no/product/912139/datautstyr/pc-komponenter/pc-i-deleroppgradering/pc-i-deler-intel/pc-i-deler-value-gamer-1060-3gb?offerId=KOMPLETT-310-912139#productinfo

 

Spec of Ryzen as picture

[LienusLateTips]

Why not 1200 + 1060 3GB? Isn't 1200 usually cheaper?

 

Also that PSU is a big no no

[ThomasJacobsen]

5 minutes ago, JDE said:

Why not 1200 + 1060 3GB? Isn't 1200 usually cheaper?

 

Also that PSU is a big no no

The 1060 is a pack i cant change anything on. What psu

[ThomasJacobsen]

7 minutes ago, JDE said:

Why not 1200 + 1060 3GB? Isn't 1200 usually cheaper?

 

Also that PSU is a big no no

Also price isnt a factor since the prices are identical

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, ThomasJacobsen said:

The 1060 is a pack i cant change anything on. What psu

https://www.komplett.no/product/876231/datautstyr/pc-komponenter/stroemforsyning/enheter/corsair-cx450m-450w-psu#

 

[ThomasJacobsen]

2 minutes ago, JDE said:

https://www.komplett.no/product/876231/datautstyr/pc-komponenter/stroemforsyning/enheter/corsair-cx450m-450w-psu#

 

None of the builds use it, both use 500w evga

[LienusLateTips]

1 minute ago, ThomasJacobsen said:

None of the builds use it, both use 500w evga

Can you change it? That's a really bad quality PSU that could possibly kill your components.

[ThomasJacobsen]

1 minute ago, JDE said:

Can you change it? That's a really bad quality PSU that could possibly kill your components.

I can change it on the Ryzen build, not the i5

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, ThomasJacobsen said:

I can change it on the Ryzen build, not the i5

yeah go ryzen

[inQntrol]

9 minutes ago, JDE said:

Can you change it? That's a really bad quality PSU that could possibly kill your components.

Really? I've never had any issues with that PSU and I've used it in some budget builds that people have asked me to make for them over the years and the same PC's are still running today with the same PSU.

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, inQntrol said:

Really? I've never had any issues with that PSU and I've used it in some budget builds that people have asked me to make for them over the years and the same PC's are still running today with the same PSU.

For the same price or a little more you can get a quality 80+ Bronze DC-DC unit with better electrical performance too.

[ThomasJacobsen]

We're missing the performance point here, will the i5 and 1060 outperform the Ryzen and 1050?

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, ThomasJacobsen said:

We're missing the performance point here, will the i5 and 1060 outperform the Ryzen and 1050?

Yes but with a worse upgrade path and a worse PSU.

[ThomasJacobsen]

How is it worse upgrade path? This is my first build ?

[Sreno1]

Kabylake is limited as to what cpus you can upgrade to next. Ryzen has a plethora of options with Ryzen 5 and 7.

 

I would buy the Intel package, that CPU will outperform the 1200 and for gaming the 7400 will be solid. And it can be upgraded to a 7700 if you need extra power in the future.

[SquintyG33Rs]

9 minutes ago, ThomasJacobsen said:

How is it worse upgrade path? This is my first build ?

well you can only go up to a 7700k on that motherboard but on ryzen there are a few more generations that will come out in the next 2 to 3 years

[ThomasJacobsen]

26 minutes ago, SquintyG33Rs said:

well you can only go up to a 7700k on that motherboard but on ryzen there are a few more generations that will come out in the next 2 to 3 years

Im never gonna pay that much for parts anyways, this is only for light gaming and i dont nerd anything on ultra setting etc. How will the 3gb memory on gpu do against the 4gb on the 1050ti

[SquintyG33Rs]

15 minutes ago, ThomasJacobsen said:

Im never gonna pay that much for parts anyways, this is only for light gaming and i dont nerd anything on ultra setting etc. How will the 3gb memory on gpu do against the 4gb on the 1050ti

no but the future equivalent part to what ever you buy will still be an upgrade. while you're locked to current stuff with the intel option.

[seon123]

The RAM on the Ryzen build is SO DIMM. So Not compatible with the motherboard. 

And do you really want to buy from Komplett? They usually don't have the best prices. I'm assuming the budget is 6-7000?

[Sreno1]

16 minutes ago, SquintyG33Rs said:

no but the future equivalent part to what ever you buy will still be an upgrade. while you're locked to current stuff with the intel option.

Being that Ryzen still lacks behind Intel's IPC (instructions per clock), Intel's CPU's of Skylake and Kabylake generation will still outperform Ryzen CPUs.

I wouldn't call getting the 7400 a deadend, or even a detriment. The are still plenty of options on that socket (7700, 7500, 7700k, ect.)

For example, the 6600k (an older Intel CPU) has about a 20% single core speed advantage over the more recent Ryzen 7 1700. What makes Ryzen CPUs a good value is there core count to price. Although in this situation, the 7400 and 1200 are priced the same, so the 7400 is the clear winner.

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-6600K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700/3503vs3917

[SquintyG33Rs]

Just now, Sreno1 said:

Being that Ryzen still lacks behind Intel's IPC (instructions per clock), Intel's CPU's of Skylake and Kabylake generation will still outperform Ryzen CPUs.

I wouldn't call getting the 7400 a deadend, or even a detriment. The are still plenty of options on that socket (7700, 7500, 7700k, ect.)

For example, the 6600k (an older Intel CPU) has about a 20% single core speed advantage over the more recent Ryzen 7 1700.

yeah but the whole point of ryzen is the multicore performance. which is pushing forward development to alleviate the extra resources. so those parts will only be losing value over time. the IPC argument was very very valid with buldozer cores but ryzen isn't so far behind that it's really legitimate anymore it's only about 10% which is only slightly more than Intel's own improvement year over year... with double the cores... so yeah no

[seon123]

How about something like this?

https://www.prisjakt.no/list.php?l=406234

In PCPP:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($156.08 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($81.98 @ Newegg) 
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  ($79.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($44.78 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Sapphire - Radeon RX 580 4GB PULSE Video Card  ($435.99 @ Newegg Marketplace) 
Case: Corsair - 270R ATX Mid Tower Case  ($49.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($39.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $888.80
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-09-11 12:14 EDT-0400

 

The GPU won't be in stock until mid October, though. 

Alternatively, you could change the CPU to a 1600, and change the GPU to a 1050 Ti. The total cost would be the same. 

Edited September 11, 2017 by seon123
Chose the 1200 instead of 1400 on PCPP

[Sreno1]

14 minutes ago, SquintyG33Rs said:

yeah but the whole point of ryzen is the multicore performance. which is pushing forward development to alleviate the extra resources. so those parts will only be losing value over time. the IPC argument was very very valid with buldozer cores but ryzen isn't so far behind that it's really legitimate anymore it's only about 10% which is only slightly more than Intel's own improvement year over year... with double the cores... so yeah no

Hold up buddy, you should at least read someones entire argument until acting as dismissive as you are. Until games use more than 4c, your argument doesnt check out. And for now, 4c4t high IPC CPUs are the kings of gaming. If programming games to use more cores was easy, than older AMD skews would have been more popular. The simple fact of it is, Intel has a serious IPC advantage and that makes them the best gaming CPUs right now. 

 

And if you had read my entire post my link shows the difference between an older Intel CPU, the 6600k has a 20% IPC advantage over the Ryzen 1700, which is arguably the highest you need to go on the Ryzen totem-pole to get top performance out of the Ryzen 7 architecture.

 

Both the 1200 and 7400 are 4c4t. The 7400 obviously has a higher IPC and for the same price, the 7400 package is clearly better.

[ThomasJacobsen]

Topic is done, i just ordered the i5 package

[SquintyG33Rs]

1 hour ago, Sreno1 said:

Hold up buddy, you should at least read someones entire argument until acting as dismissive as you are. Until games use more than 4c, your argument doesnt check out. And for now, 4c4t high IPC CPUs are the kings of gaming. If programming games to use more cores was easy, than older AMD skews would have been more popular. The simple fact of it is, Intel has a serious IPC advantage and that makes them the best gaming CPUs right now. 

 

And if you had read my entire post my link shows the difference between an older Intel CPU, the 6600k has a 20% IPC advantage over the Ryzen 1700, which is arguably the highest you need to go on the Ryzen totem-pole to get top performance out of the Ryzen 7 architecture.

 

Both the 1200 and 7400 are 4c4t. The 7400 obviously has a higher IPC and for the same price, the 7400 package is clearly better.

you edited. and there is no IPC difference between skylake and kaby lake, it's just better clocks.