R9 Fury or RX 580?

[Potato*Salad]

R9 is 235 bucks, 580 is 280 bucks and has more ram.

 

 

[LienusLateTips]

R9, more performance.

[Potato*Salad]

Just now, JDE said:

R9, more performance.

I was looking and it needs 2 8 pin power, is 800 watt Coolermaster V series enough for this with a 5930K at 4.6ghz?

[Herman Mcpootis]

19 minutes ago, Potato*Salad said:

I was looking and it needs 2 8 pin power, is 800 watt Coolermaster V series enough for this with a 5930K at 4.6ghz?

way more than enough.

[LienusLateTips]

44 minutes ago, Potato*Salad said:

I was looking and it needs 2 8 pin power, is 800 watt Coolermaster V series enough for this with a 5930K at 4.6ghz?

550 would be enough

 

[Darkseth]

580.

8gb Vram > few fps more.

 

It's 2017, i wouldn't buy 4gb Cards anymore. There are Games already, that won't run well with only 4gb Vram, if you need everything on Ultra (Mainly Textures). And yes, i am talking about 1080p

 

Call of Duty Infinite Warfare for example, if you set Textures to anything higher than "normal", the Game WILL run better on a RX 580 than on a Fury X. Because 4gb Vram is bottlenecking and causing framedrops.

[Potato*Salad]

41 minutes ago, Darkseth said:

580.

8gb Vram > few fps more.

 

It's 2017, i wouldn't buy 4gb Cards anymore. There are Games already, that won't run well with only 4gb Vram, if you need everything on Ultra (Mainly Textures). And yes, i am talking about 1080p

 

Call of Duty Infinite Warfare for example, if you set Textures to anything higher than "normal", the Game WILL run better on a RX 580 than on a Fury X. Because 4gb Vram is bottlenecking and causing framedrops.

Says it's more than playable even at 4K on Fury.

 

 

"The title basically is a fill most you can type of game. E.g. it buffers as much as need an as it would like to. Up-to Full HD (1920x1080) an up-to 3GB graphics card of decent caliber will do the job just fine really. 4GB is your best bet and target for 2560x1440, especially at the best image quality settings VRAM eats away a large portion of whatever is available. If you want to play Ultra quality with Ultra HD as preferred monitor resolution, that 4GB is the minimum (unless you are comfortable to twiddle and fiddle around a little with AA settings etc)."

 

Fury X is ahead of even the 1070 at 5K.

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/call-of-duty-infinite-warfare-pc-graphics-benchmark-review,7.html

[luigi90210]

Get the Fury

 

The 580=390x and the Fury is much better than the 390x, not to mention it's cheaper than the 580. 

[Input_Name_Here]

6 hours ago, Darkseth said:

580.

8gb Vram > few fps more.

 

It's 2017, i wouldn't buy 4gb Cards anymore. There are Games already, that won't run well with only 4gb Vram, if you need everything on Ultra (Mainly Textures). And yes, i am talking about 1080p

 

Call of Duty Infinite Warfare for example, if you set Textures to anything higher than "normal", the Game WILL run better on a RX 580 than on a Fury X. Because 4gb Vram is bottlenecking and causing framedrops.

HBM you mean

[Input_Name_Here]

6 hours ago, Potato*Salad said:

Says it's more than playable even at 4K on Fury.

 

 

"The title basically is a fill most you can type of game. E.g. it buffers as much as need an as it would like to. Up-to Full HD (1920x1080) an up-to 3GB graphics card of decent caliber will do the job just fine really. 4GB is your best bet and target for 2560x1440, especially at the best image quality settings VRAM eats away a large portion of whatever is available. If you want to play Ultra quality with Ultra HD as preferred monitor resolution, that 4GB is the minimum (unless you are comfortable to twiddle and fiddle around a little with AA settings etc)."

 

Fury X is ahead of even the 1070 at 5K.

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/call-of-duty-infinite-warfare-pc-graphics-benchmark-review,7.html

 

6 hours ago, Darkseth said:

580.

8gb Vram > few fps more.

 

It's 2017, i wouldn't buy 4gb Cards anymore. There are Games already, that won't run well with only 4gb Vram, if you need everything on Ultra (Mainly Textures). And yes, i am talking about 1080p

 

Call of Duty Infinite Warfare for example, if you set Textures to anything higher than "normal", the Game WILL run better on a RX 580 than on a Fury X. Because 4gb Vram is bottlenecking and causing framedrops.

You people ever heard of HBM? Cuz that is what the R9 Fury and Fury X use btw

[Darkseth]

12 hours ago, Potato*Salad said:

Says it's more than playable even at 4K on Fury.

 

 

"The title basically is a fill most you can type of game. E.g. it buffers as much as need an as it would like to. Up-to Full HD (1920x1080) an up-to 3GB graphics card of decent caliber will do the job just fine really. 4GB is your best bet and target for 2560x1440, especially at the best image quality settings VRAM eats away a large portion of whatever is available. If you want to play Ultra quality with Ultra HD as preferred monitor resolution, that 4GB is the minimum (unless you are comfortable to twiddle and fiddle around a little with AA settings etc)."

 

Fury X is ahead of even the 1070 at 5K.

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/call-of-duty-infinite-warfare-pc-graphics-benchmark-review,7.html

The Issue is not average fps, but frametimes / framedrops: https://www.computerbase.de/2016-11/call-of-duty-infinite-warfare-benchmark/2/#abschnitt_probleme_bei_weniger_als_8_gb_speicher

Most (99%) of all benchmarks/tests ignore that.

 

Computerbase (German) did test it, and measured Frametimes.

 

Normal = Normal textures.

Hoch = High textures.

 

As you see, they tested it also with GTX 980 (4gb), and a Fury X (4gb of fast 512 gb/s HBM), and there were Framedrops /( small stutters in High texture mode.

Even in Normal Textures, a 4gb Card did had a stutter here and there. Even the Fury X, the "fast magical HBM" did stutter.

They concluded, if you want this game to be completely stutter Free on a 4gb Card, you need to set it down to Low.
Even if it's just 4-5 short stutters during a 1-Minute span.

 

And for 5k: There the average fps are really not intersting. I want to see frametime graphs of that bench ^^
Since you don't know, if it's stable 40 fps, or 40 fps with permanent short framedrops to 5 fps. Average numbers on both will look good. But the second scenario will be completely unplayable.

 

They also did a bigger Test last year, how much Vram is really needed, and how much can be used today: https://www.computerbase.de/2016-09/grafikkarten-speicher-vram-test/#abschnitt_testmethoden_und_das_testsystem

Hoch = High

Sehr Hoch = Very High

Ultra = Ultra

 

Check the frametimes with each texture setting, and see how a RX 470 gets framedrops in ultra settings.

Deus Ex Mankind Divided, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Mirror's Edge Catalyst.

 

Yes, there are only a hand full of extreme examples, that will cause this in 1080p. But better be save than sorry in my Opinion, You want to use the card for 2-3 years probably, so it should be doing well during that time.

 

And having too low Vram = unplayable stutterfest if you ahve bad Luck.

If you have 15% missing performance.. well, you simply reduce 1-2 settings one level, and that's it.

 

But yea, it depends what kind of gamer you are. Don't you care reducing settings or especially Textures, for a smooth gameplay?

Or do you "need" certain stuff on Ultra?

Because with 4gb Vram.. Textures o Ultra won't always be possible.

6 hours ago, Input_Name_Here said:

HBM you mean

Where exactly did i claim otherwise?

I only mentioned Size, you come with the Memory type.

 

I simply stated, the Fury X only having 4gb Vram. And that is absolute Correct. Doesn't matter if it's DDR2, GDDR5, HBM, or even if you call it Potatosandwitch. 4gb is 4gb, nothing will change that. 

And HBM is not something unicorn-magical that does wonders. It simply has a higher bandwidth. That is enough to "counter" the low size to the point, where the Game needs to have more than 4gb of Data at the same Time.

Fast memory = okay, if it's enough to swap fast enough.

But if the Game needs more than 4gb Vram at the same time, even HBM 300 would not cause stuttering.

6 hours ago, Input_Name_Here said:

 

You people ever heard of HBM? Cuz that is what the R9 Fury and Fury X use btw

Noone claimed otherwise lol. What exactly is your point?

[Input_Name_Here]

On 9/12/2017 at 6:54 PM, Darkseth said:

The Issue is not average fps, but frametimes / framedrops: https://www.computerbase.de/2016-11/call-of-duty-infinite-warfare-benchmark/2/#abschnitt_probleme_bei_weniger_als_8_gb_speicher

Most (99%) of all benchmarks/tests ignore that.

 

Computerbase (German) did test it, and measured Frametimes.

 

Normal = Normal textures.

Hoch = High textures.

 

As you see, they tested it also with GTX 980 (4gb), and a Fury X (4gb of fast 512 gb/s HBM), and there were Framedrops /( small stutters in High texture mode.

Even in Normal Textures, a 4gb Card did had a stutter here and there. Even the Fury X, the "fast magical HBM" did stutter.

They concluded, if you want this game to be completely stutter Free on a 4gb Card, you need to set it down to Low.
Even if it's just 4-5 short stutters during a 1-Minute span.

 

And for 5k: There the average fps are really not intersting. I want to see frametime graphs of that bench ^^
Since you don't know, if it's stable 40 fps, or 40 fps with permanent short framedrops to 5 fps. Average numbers on both will look good. But the second scenario will be completely unplayable.

 

They also did a bigger Test last year, how much Vram is really needed, and how much can be used today: https://www.computerbase.de/2016-09/grafikkarten-speicher-vram-test/#abschnitt_testmethoden_und_das_testsystem

Hoch = High

Sehr Hoch = Very High

Ultra = Ultra

 

Check the frametimes with each texture setting, and see how a RX 470 gets framedrops in ultra settings.

Deus Ex Mankind Divided, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Mirror's Edge Catalyst.

 

Yes, there are only a hand full of extreme examples, that will cause this in 1080p. But better be save than sorry in my Opinion, You want to use the card for 2-3 years probably, so it should be doing well during that time.

 

And having too low Vram = unplayable stutterfest if you ahve bad Luck.

If you have 15% missing performance.. well, you simply reduce 1-2 settings one level, and that's it.

 

But yea, it depends what kind of gamer you are. Don't you care reducing settings or especially Textures, for a smooth gameplay?

Or do you "need" certain stuff on Ultra?

Because with 4gb Vram.. Textures o Ultra won't always be possible.

Where exactly did i claim otherwise?

I only mentioned Size, you come with the Memory type.

 

I simply stated, the Fury X only having 4gb Vram. And that is absolute Correct. Doesn't matter if it's DDR2, GDDR5, HBM, or even if you call it Potatosandwitch. 4gb is 4gb, nothing will change that. 

And HBM is not something unicorn-magical that does wonders. It simply has a higher bandwidth. That is enough to "counter" the low size to the point, where the Game needs to have more than 4gb of Data at the same Time.

Fast memory = okay, if it's enough to swap fast enough.

But if the Game needs more than 4gb Vram at the same time, even HBM 300 would not cause stuttering.

Noone claimed otherwise lol. What exactly is your point?

My point is attention to detail. If I went around saying that the gtx 1060 used 3gb HBM or 3gb of potatosandwitch, I would probably confuse a lot of people who are new to pc hardware, even if there is little to no performance difference in games. And no, you are not right if you say that the fury x has 4gb of VRAM because it uses HBM which it a totally different thing regardless of performance.

[LienusLateTips]

R9 Fury > RX 580

[ivryk]

On 9/11/2017 at 1:54 AM, Potato*Salad said:

R9 is 235 bucks, 580 is 280 bucks and has more ram.

 

 

I personally wouldn't invest in a 4gb vram card, rather have fewer fps and not suffer stuttering due memory swapping or having to turn down textures all the way down to normal. 

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, ivryk said:

I personally wouldn't invest in a 4gb vram card, rather have fewer fps and not suffer stuttering due memory swapping or having to turn down textures all the way down to normal. 

*4GB HBM

[ivryk]

Just now, JDE said:

*4GB HBM

Isnt HBM a form of vram?

[LienusLateTips]

Just now, ivryk said:

Isnt HBM vram?

Yeah, but 4GB HBM = ~6GB GDDR5.

[ivryk]

Just now, JDE said:

Yeah, but 4GB HBM = ~6GB GDDR5.

As people already pointed out 4gb is still 4gb, faster yes but still.

[Darkseth]

12 hours ago, Input_Name_Here said:

My point is attention to detail. If I went around saying that the gtx 1060 used 3gb HBM or 3gb of potatosandwitch, I would probably confuse a lot of people who are new to pc hardware, even if there is little to no performance difference in games. And no, you are not right if you say that the fury x has 4gb of VRAM because it uses HBM which it a totally different thing regardless of performance.

 

9 hours ago, JDE said:

Yeah, but 4GB HBM = ~6GB GDDR5.

And these 2 Posts are exactly what's completely entirely Wrong.

 

HBM Is not a magic thing that does wonders. HBM is exactly what GDDR5 is, or exactly what a micro SD Card is.  Storage. A Physical object, that can store a limited amount of Data.

And when it has 4gb of space, it has 4gb of space. Not "6gb~" or anything. It has 4. Four. Not a single bit more.

 

ANd the memory chips aren't even that "different". They are simply stacked, making them paralelled much more --> higher bandwidth. Simple as that.

It's as if you use your normal RAM in Octa Channel or 20x-Channel, instead of a simple slow Dual Channel.

 

 

The "speed" CAN be enough to swap files fast enough to not cause stuttering, where slower GDDR5 Ram with less bandwith would be not fast enough.

 

However, once the Vram is FULL (and FULL means exactly 4gb) and there is no room to swap, ther WILL Be issues. Because when a scene demands more than 4gb at the same time, all the data, the textures, shadows etc don't have space to fit all on --> clipping, missing textures, missing shadows, framedrops, whatsoever.

 

 

Again: HBM is NOT a different thing than regular Memory. HBM IS regular memory. It simply has a different electrical arrangement.

 

4gb of HBM will NOT be able to store more than 4gb of Data at the exact same Time.. Period. Every First grader should understand that without even knowing what memory is ^^"

 

So ultimately: I am 100% completely CORRECT if i say: Fury X has 4gb of Vram. Because that's exactly what it has. Just look at the spec sheet, just look what Tools like GPU-Z read out. it*'s 4gb, or 4096 mb.

 

And tbh, everyone who doesn't understand this, should watch a Youtube guide/tutorial/whatever about Memory. What is Memory, how Does memory work, and what it does. The most simple Basic about the Topic. Because you do not understand it at all, if you say, it's wrong to say a Fury X has 4gb of Vram.