Labels for Classes of Hardware

[T8z5h3]

hi,

i am starting to dislike all Youtube Tech Reviewers because they have lost sight of one thing Cost in how they frame what the Hardware is designed for.

 

What i mean is a Youtuber Classifying a Treadripper as a enthusiast level product.

 

i would say all in all using the AMD Product stack as a example but could easily be applied to other lines of products that:

 

AMD Epic- Servers/Datacenters

AMD Threadripper - Workstations or low end servers (branch or small office server)

AMD Ryzen R 7 -enthusiast class or highend gamer

AMD Ryzen R 5 Medium or highend mainstream processor

AMD Ryzen R 3 Budget Computer.

AMD Ryzen Pro Office Computers but R 3 or R 5 can do that same job if you don't need the added options.

 

what are your thoughts.

 

 

[Oshino Shinobu]

I wouldn't class R7 as enthusiast. It's high end consumer, just like Intel's LGA1151 i7s. When you start moving into the 2011-3 and new i9s, they line up more with Threadripper for the enthusiast market along with workstations. 

[T8z5h3]

en·thu·si·ast

inˈTH(y)o͞ozēˌast,enˈTH(y)o͞ozēˌast/

noun

noun: enthusiast; plural noun: enthusiasts

1. a person who is highly interested in a particular activity or subject.

   "a sports car enthusiast"

   synonyms:

   fan, devotee, aficionado, lover, admirer, follower; More expert, connoisseur, authority, pundit; informalbuff, bum, freak, fanatic, nut, fiend, addict, maniac; geek, eager beaver "a railroad enthusiast"

   • archaicderogatory

     a person of intense and visionary Christian views.

Origin

early 17th century (denoting a person believing that he or she is divinely inspired): from French enthousiaste or ecclesiastical Latin enthusiastes ‘member of a heretical sect,’ from Greek enthousiastēs ‘person inspired by a god,’ from the adjective enthous (see enthusiasm).

 

so because i can't pay for a Theadripper i am not lover of the Technology, i feel what drives the technology is the people buying the Ryzen 7,5 and 3 that is where the lovers of the hardware live... the Threadrippers people are the Problem salvers of the world (the science teams seeking the cure, looking for the mathematical answer.   

[dexT]

2. Basic Bitch and Baller.

 

*i7K and R7 - Both can barely make it into the Baller class depending on supporting hardware.

[baconborn]

Only appropriate class label for HEDT platforms is "corporate dick measuring"

[LAwLz]

Serious question: Why does anyone care?

AMD calls Threadripper their enthusiast part, but that does not change how it performs and costs. Those two things are what you should care about.

[WMGroomAK]

8 hours ago, T8z5h3 said:

What i mean is a Youtuber Classifying a Treadripper as a enthusiast level product

A lot of this probably is better to be looked at based on Intel/AMD/etc... marketing teams.  Of course concerning computers, maybe a better way for you to look at how to classify a system isn't just based on the CPU, but also to look at the motherboards chipset.  That would be a better/more determining factor of how much capability you can pull out of the system.

[ARikozuM]

I feel like an enthusiast everytime I bust out my i5-4690K and 1080 FTW to play Solitaire. SUCH STRESS, MUCH POWER!

[Mira Yurizaki]

Ignore blanket labels and deal with the convoluted system of whatever the heck someone wants to say only applies to them.

 

MaximumPC used to have these $800 "budget" builds. Everyone called them out on that not being a "budget" ... budget build. They responded with "Everyone has a different meaning for a 'budget build'" and I really couldn't fault them on that. It's best to just read between the lines (in the example, that it's an $800 build and nothing more) and use that to determine whatever the heck you want.

[Drak3]

2 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Everyone called them out on that not being a "budget" ... budget build. They responded with "Everyone has a different meaning for a 'budget build'" and I really couldn't fault them on that. It's best to just read between the lines

Can we just do away with calling cheap hardware 'budget builds?' Please?

My 5930K/GTX1080/RX470 build was a budget build. I had a budget, those parts fit it.

[Sauron]

Honestly for actual workstation work an Epyc cpu may be more suited, although the line is very thin in AMD's case. Besides, the fact that they're good for workstations doesn't mean they don't appeal the enthusiast market, right? Not that it matters too much what you call them... the product doesn't change and neither does the audience.

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, Drak3 said:

Can we just do away with calling cheap hardware 'budget builds?' Please?

My 5930K/GTX1080/RX470 build was a budget build. I had a budget, those parts fit it.

Because "budget" means "inexpensive".

[Sauron]

Just now, Drak3 said:

Can we just do away with calling cheap hardware 'budget builds?' Please?

My 5930K/GTX1080/RX470 build was a budget build. I had a budget, those parts fit it.

We should call them cheap/low end/entry level builds, that would be much clearer.

[Drak3]

Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

Because "budget" means "inexpensive".

Compare my build to a 7980XE/dual Quadro P6000. Suddenly, my build is inexpensive.

 

Just now, Sauron said:

We should call them cheap/low end/entry level builds, that would be much clearer.

My vote goes towards cheap, implies a certain feel of inferior hardware.

[Sauron]

Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

Because "budget" means "inexpensive".

It doesn't, in fact it's not even an adjective.

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, Drak3 said:

Compare my build to a 7980XE/dual Quadro P6000. Suddenly, my build is inexpensive.

 

My vote goes towards cheap, implies a certain feel of inferior hardware.

If we're going to talk relative, your build is cheap compared to a fully decked out Mac Pro.

 

If this is a semantics argument, we're going to go no where.

[Drak3]

Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

If we're going to talk relative, your build is cheap compared to a fully decked out Mac Pro.

Real talk, it's cheap relative to just one of those gfx cards.

 

Just now, M.Yurizaki said:

If this is a semantics argument, we're going to go no where.

No, I try to only argue semantics with MageTank.

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, Sauron said:

It doesn't, in fact it's not even an adjective.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/budget

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budget

adjective bud·get

Definition of budget

1. :  suitable for someone whose is following a plan for coordinating resources and expenditures :  suitable for one on a budget (see ¹budget) :  inexpensive

 

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/budget?s=t

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adjective

7.

reasonably or cheaply priced:

budget dresses.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/budget

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attributive Inexpensive.

‘a budget guitar’

 

I'll just leave it at that and not bother with this topic. :B

[Princess Luna]

This is completely pointless.

[ARikozuM]

4 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

This is completely pointless.

If you're a mod in disguise, please lock the thread. 

[themctipers]

to me:

celeron / pentium - very low end

i3 / ryzen 3 - low end

i5 / ryzen 5 4/8 - low end to mid ranged

i5 / ryzen 5 6/12 - mid to higher end

i7 / ryzen 7 - high end but in the middle

i9 / threadripper - high end but upper, workstation

xeon / epyc - server level

[Sauron]

13 hours ago, M.Yurizaki said:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/budget

 

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/budget?s=t

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/budget

 

I'll just leave it at that and not bother with this topic. :B

Fair enough, I thought it was just slang.