Hex-core (6 core) showdown

[polakman0696]

Hey there LTT community, first time forum user, long time watcher.

I'm sorry if this is inappropriate for this forum I am new here, please correct me if I've done wrong.

So I had an idea when browsing PC components and watching LTT, about what are the choices of 6 core CPU's in 2017.
With the release of Ryzen and the whole confusion of LGA 2066 and X299, I though that it would make a good video, compering the hex cores, and to CPU's with more and fewer cores to find out if they are at a better value, gaming performance and multitasking all with cost in mind, including motherboard prices.

That maybe a little vague (and in the completely wrong place), but feel free to ask me question or if you feel like it point me in the right direction.
Thank you to anyone that made it this far, you're awesome!! 

[HKZeroFive]

Steve's video sums it all up:

 

 

[panther420]

5 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

Steve's video sums it all up:

 

 

That ignores used options though. If you don't restrict yourself to new only, you can get a 5820k + open box X99 motherboard for a pretty decent price and you get more features than a platform like Ryzen. X79 + 6-core 1000 series xeons or a 3930k are good too, DDR3 is cheaper than DDR4 as well. If you want to go even older, 5000 series xeons like the X5650 work well with X58 boards.

[HKZeroFive]

7 minutes ago, panther420 said:

That ignores used options though. If you don't restrict yourself to new only, you can get a 5820k + open box X99 motherboard for a pretty decent price and you get more features than a platform like Ryzen. X79 + 6-core 1000 series xeons or a 3930k are good too, DDR3 is cheaper than DDR4 as well. If you want to go even older, 5000 series xeons like the X5650 work well with X58 boards.

 

25 minutes ago, polakman0696 said:

So I had an idea when browsing PC components and watching LTT, about what are the choices of 6 core CPU's in 2017.

That's the used market which is a different thing altogether. I believe OP is asking about new/current CPUs which have been released this year.

 

Not to mention that older X-series motherboards are hard to find and are usually ridiculously expensive.

[panther420]

Just now, HKZeroFive said:

 

That's the used market which is a different thing altogether. I believe OP is asking about new/current CPUs which have been released this year.

 

Not to mention that older X-series motherboards are hard to find and are usually ridiculously expensive.

That's true, but I think they're worth noting from a buyer's perspective. Also, you're only  half right about x-series motherboards being expensive. X99 boards are very cheap right now because of X299 on actual retail websites. For example: A top-end 1st gen x99 board from asrock on newegg right now for $120: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157540R&cm_re=asrock_fatal1ty_x99-_-13-157-540R-_-Product. Sure it's open box, but as long as it has the io shield, it's pretty much in the same condition.

[polakman0696]

21 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

That's the used market which is a different thing altogether. I believe OP is asking about new/current CPUs which have been released this year.

Yo lads, yes you are correct my good friend I am thinking about it being new like what can 2017 offer for the hex core market and how does it stack to the more affordable or costly CPU's out there.

34 minutes ago, panther420 said:

That ignores used options though. If you don't restrict yourself to new only, you can get a 5820k + open box X99 motherboard for a pretty decent price and you get more features than a platform like Ryzen. X79 + 6-core 1000 series xeons or a 3930k are good too, DDR3 is cheaper than DDR4 as well. If you want to go even older, 5000 series xeons like the X5650 work well with X58 boards.

I like your answer too, since I haven't been a PC builder for too long I didn't get a chance to explore all the options but I will take a look at what you have mentioned

[MeDownYou]

but...but....my beloved thuban!!!!!

[HKZeroFive]

43 minutes ago, panther420 said:

That's true, but I think they're worth noting from a buyer's perspective. Also, you're only  half right about x-series motherboards being expensive. X99 boards are very cheap right now because of X299 on actual retail websites. For example: A top-end 1st gen x99 board from asrock on newegg right now for $120: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157540R&cm_re=asrock_fatal1ty_x99-_-13-157-540R-_-Product. Sure it's open box, but as long as it has the io shield, it's pretty much in the same condition.

You'd be hard-pressed to buy a X99 system right now considering the existence of Ryzen, unless you're getting a very good deal (which is more or less going to have to be from the used market). Buying a R7 1700 and B350 motherboard yields much more bang for your buck and arguably is more appealing than say a i7-6800K and a X99 motherboard.

[panther420]

1 minute ago, HKZeroFive said:

You'd be hard-pressed to buy a X99 system right now considering the existence of Ryzen, unless you're getting a very good deal (which is more or less going to have to be from the used market). Buying a R7 1700 and B350 motherboard yields much more bang for your buck and arguably more appealing than say a i7-6800K and a X99 motherboard.

I never said most of the broadwell-e cpu's were very good right now. I'm talking about the 5820k in particular, and the Haswell Xeons as well. You can pick up a 5820k for $260 ish on ebay, which is less than a ryzen 7. As I just pointed out, at least for the time being open box motherboards on newegg are pretty cheap (less than most x370s). You also get more pcie lanes, 28 on x99 vs 16 on Ryzen. I'm not saying Ryzen is a bad platform, but X99 isn't horrible in all aspects. Only broadwell-e really sucks to be honest.

[polakman0696]

1 hour ago, HKZeroFive said:

Steve's video sums it all up:

 

 

cool vid, just finished watching and it does offer the answers I wanted for the most part, but I feel like there's still somethings missing.
it was too gaming oriented and only tested the raw FPS performance of the CPU's and, but I still found it helpful thank you.

[HKZeroFive]

Just now, panther420 said:

I never said most of the broadwell-e cpu's were very good right now. I'm talking about the 5820k in particular, and the Haswell Xeons as well. You can pick up a 5820k for $260 ish on ebay, which is less than a ryzen 7. As I just pointed out, at least for the time being open box motherboards on newegg are pretty cheap (less than most x370s). You also get more pcie lanes, 28 on x99 vs 16 on Ryzen. I'm not saying Ryzen is a bad platform, but X99 isn't horrible in all aspects. Only broadwell-e really sucks to be honest.

You can also pick up a brand new R7 1700 on sale for $270, which is only $10 more, and it has two more cores and four more threads. Sure, quad channel and more PCIe lanes might be appealing but I imagine most people will overlook that in favour of more cores and threads.

 

It's not just the R7 1700. The R5 1600 also holds up extremely well for its price.

 

B350 motherboards exist, y'know. Basically X370 minus SLI, and as a result, significantly cheaper.

[HKZeroFive]

10 minutes ago, polakman0696 said:

cool vid, just finished watching and it does offer the answers I wanted for the most part, but I feel like there's still somethings missing.
it was too gaming oriented and only tested the raw FPS performance of the CPU's and, but I still found it helpful thank you.

Try AnandTech and some other reviews. Should have some real-world benchmarks as well.

 

What else were you looking for in the gaming tests? Although I agree that they should have displayed 0.1/1% minimums.

[panther420]

Just now, HKZeroFive said:

You can also pick up a brand new R7 1700 on sale for $270, which is only $10 more, and it has two more cores and four more threads. Sure, quad channel and more PCIe lanes might be appealing but I imagine most people will overlook that in favour of more cores and threads.

 

It's not just the R7 1700. The R5 1600 also holds up extremely well for its price.

 

B350 motherboards exist, y'know. Basically X370 minus SLI, and as a result, significantly cheaper.

I could be here all day arguing with you about which one is better. I am aware of both the 1700 and the 1600, I own a Ryzen system myself. However, some people just want features like quad-channel, more pcie lanes, stuff like that. Also the 5820k can clock higher than ryzen. Most will go to 4.5 ghz, Ryzen will top out at 4 ghz 99% of the time. Sadly, some people just prefer intel too.  

 

I simply wanted to point out that the 5820k was a thing, and if you were in to the aforementioned benefits of an x99 system, then it is a viable option. Otherwise, in most cases, I would just go with Ryzen. I know I did myself because I didn't need that kind of stuff.

[HKZeroFive]

4 minutes ago, panther420 said:

I could be here all day arguing with you about which one is better. I am aware of both the 1700 and the 1600, I own a Ryzen system myself. However, some people just want features like quad-channel, more pcie lanes, stuff like that. Also the 5820k can clock higher than ryzen. Most will go to 4.5 ghz, Ryzen will top out at 4 ghz 99% of the time. Sadly, some people just prefer intel too.  

 

I simply wanted to point out that the 5820k was a thing, and if you were in to the aforementioned benefits of an x99 system, then it is a viable option. Otherwise, in most cases, I would just go with Ryzen. I know I did myself because I didn't need that kind of stuff.

I agree that Haswell-E holds up well in general from a platform and performance perspective. I just don't agree that it's a good option unless you manage to snag a really good deal.

[Phate.exe]

48 minutes ago, MeDownYou said:

but...but....my beloved thuban!!!!!

I can't justify taking my Thuban out of service.

[TahoeDust]

An overclocked and properly setup 7800x will be the fastest 6-core....and the most expensive.