Macbook Pro Alternatives?

[Septimus]

Just now, Max_Settings said:

WTF are you smoking? As much as the PC community hates Mac, literally no one denies Apple's incredible build quality

Metal > plastic 

I agree with you @Max_Settings

[TheDankKoosh]

Just now, Max_Settings said:

WTF are you smoking? As much as the PC community hates Mac, literally no one denies Apple's incredible build quality

I deny them the title of good build quality due to the fact that this "build quality" causes the laptop to have a crap keyboard (noted by op) and causes the laptop to throttle under high loads. So much for the so called "pro title".

[TheDankKoosh]

Just now, Septimus said:

Metal > plastic 

I agree with you @Max_Settings

I would easily take a higher quality plastic build over a flimsy metal build, metal isn't always better.

[TheDankKoosh]

3 minutes ago, Septimus said:

Most of it is good, some of it is bad. 

#Bezels 

The razer blade has much worse than crap bezel size

There is much more where this came from.

[Max_Settings]

Just now, TheDankKoosh said:

I would easily take a higher quality plastic build over a flimsy metal build, metal isn't always better.

 

1 minute ago, TheDankKoosh said:

I deny them the title of good build quality due to the fact that this "build quality" causes the laptop to have a crap keyboard (noted by op) and causes the laptop to throttle under high loads. So much for the so called "pro title".

Keyboard isn't a factor a build quality, that is a feature. And have you ever touched a Mac? They do not have flimsy metal they are the most rock solid computer you have ever felt.

[Pendragon]

Aero 15 gets 7 hours of battery life on light loads. 

Xps15 4k gets around 6.5 hours.

Xps15 1080p gets around 10 hours 

 

Aero15 1080p is better than xps15. 

 

Everyone can stop arguing about how things work now cause half of it is wrong. 

 

@pdubs honestly, I think you might go back to the macbook pro. It's hard to move away from the ecosystem once you're that invested into it. 

 

Aero 15 if u want power 

Xps15 if u have no intentions to eGPU and want longer battery life. 

 

The new Asus zen book pro might be up your alley. 

 

Any new Pascal based workstations will also be perfect but those haven't released yet.

 

Just now, Max_Settings said:

quality

What r you talking about when you recommended the Razer Blade. That piece of garbage has no place here. Also, no, pro workstations r built better just saying.

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, TheDankKoosh said:

I would easily take a higher quality plastic build over a flimsy metal build, metal isn't always better.

The keyboard isn't crap. It's extremely well engineered and made, but it's also extremely shallow. It's really a personal preference thing, not a design issue. 

[Max_Settings]

Just now, Pendragon said:

 

 

What r you talking about when you recommended the Razer Blade. That piece of garbage has no place here. Also, no, pro workstations r built better just saying.

I never said anything about quality on the Razer blade, it just checked all the boxes

[TheDankKoosh]

1 minute ago, Max_Settings said:

 

Keyboard isn't a factor a build quality, that is a feature. And have you ever touched a Mac? They do not have flimsy metal they are the most rock solid computer you have ever felt.

Have you ever handled an old thinkpad (such as a t430)? Those are the most rock solid laptops that you will ever feel, macbooks die from 3 foot falls, these can survive being ran over.

[Max_Settings]

Just now, TheDankKoosh said:

Have you ever handled an old thinkpad (such as a t430)? Those are the most rock solid laptops that you will ever feel, macbooks die from 3 foot falls, these can survive being ran over.

Jesus dude, just stop. Macs are extremely well built computers when it comes to them psychically, keyboards doesn't count and drop rating doesn't count. They are thick metal with no flex at all. Literally not one person on earth besides you would say Macs have bad build quality

[Pendragon]

8 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

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That's fair. I have 1 very extreme solution LOL. @D2ultima @Dackzy please let me know if I'm losing it. 

 

Buy a Razer Blade from hid. Buy max years warranty on it. Repaste it with Ic diamond. Voltage lock the 1060 to something lower with a custom vbios I saw up on NBR. Thoughts? 

Edited July 10, 2017 by Pendragon
I'm 95% this is a terrible idea

[Pendragon]

Just now, Max_Settings said:

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He's not saying its bad. Please read. He's saying it doesn't compare to business and professional laptops

[TheDankKoosh]

1 minute ago, Max_Settings said:

Jesus dude, just stop. Macs are extremely well built computers when it comes to them psychically, keyboards doesn't count and drop rating doesn't count. They are thick metal with no flex at all. Literally not one person on earth besides you would say Macs have bad build quality

Then please show me proof of this "best build quality ever" and I will revise my opinion, after all opinion are like assholes, everyone has em'.

[TheDankKoosh]

2 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

That's fair. I have 1 very extreme solution LOL. @D2ultima @Dackzy please let me know if I'm losing it. 

 

Buy a Razer Blade from hid. Buy max years warranty on it. Repaste it with Ic diamond. Voltage lock the 1060 to something lower with a custom vbios I saw up on NBR. Thoughts? 

Holy shit that is some insane tier work around to make that thing even half usable (unless you use it like linus), what led you to even thinking of this?

[Max_Settings]

Just now, TheDankKoosh said:

Then please show me proof of this "best build quality ever" and I will revise my opinion, after all opinion are like assholes, everyone has em'.

I never said "best build quality ever" but you obviously just being toxic and are just trashing Macs build quality because you don't like them as a computer. Tell you what go run yourself down to best buy pick up a Mac and try to flex it, then go pick up any higher end windows laptop and see what happens

[Pendragon]

Just now, TheDankKoosh said:

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I've always entertained the thought. U could take it 1 step further and insulate the exposed aluminum with something and straight use liquid metal on it. 

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, TheDankKoosh said:

Holy shit that is some insane tier work around to make that thing even half usable (unless you use it like linus), what led you to even thinking of this?

Windows + Mac-like portability and build quality. 

[TheDankKoosh]

1 minute ago, Max_Settings said:

I never said "best build quality ever" but you obviously just being toxic and are just trashing Macs build quality because you don't like them as a computer. Tell you what go run yourself down to best buy pick up a Mac and try to flex it, then go pick up any higher end windows laptop and see what happens

I don't like macs for the value and build quality that they do offer, but you jump to conclusions and say that I've never handled one before. My buddy's 2016 mbp doesn't take much to flex (especially the screen) and I wouldn't trust it in a rugged environment. He got that for free through college though, so I have no qualms about him getting it.

[Pendragon]

Just now, Zando Bob said:

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Only works if ur insane and money is no issue and u can risk going through Blade warranty like no trmw. 

 

Also only works if u get a decent working blade this is the issue most of the time. Going through the RMA lottery till you hit the jackpot. 

[Max_Settings]

Just now, TheDankKoosh said:

I don't like macs for the value and build quality that they do offer, but you jump to conclusions and say that I've never handled one before. My buddy's 2016 mbp doesn't take much to flex (especially the screen) and I wouldn't trust it in a rugged environment. He got that for free through college though, so I have no qualms about him getting it.

You can't compare the build quality of a huge thick rugged built laptop to that of a thin light weight laptop. I am saying that in the realm of normal laptops, Macs do have some of the best build quality

[TheDankKoosh]

Just now, Max_Settings said:

You can't compare the build quality of a huge thick rugged built laptop to that of a thin light weight laptop. I am saying that in the realm of normal laptops, Macs do have some of the best build quality

I prefer the build on the higher end windows laptops (for the price) such as what I've suggested through this thread xps 15 aero 15 and so on. They offer this level of performance and have great build qualities at a much lower price than a pro 560 mbp.

[Dackzy]

I think we need to settle some things here.

A metal laptop will send the shock from a drop further into the laptop, which means the risk of damage to the parts inside is bigger than compared to plastic, why? Plastic in the case of it being a hard enough hit it will break off, meaning less shock sendt into the laptop, then we also have the fact the metal will bend and metal is a conductor, meaning it will short your shit if you get it to bend the wrong place.

Then we also have the fact that the feel of a laptop basically means nothing, a T420s doesn't really feel that good when you touch it, but good luck killing it.

 

A laptop with a good plastic body and then a metal roll cage as I like to call them will beat out a good pure metal laptop in durability, there is nothing to talk about there, we have seen this time and time again with business laptops vs your premium metal laptop.

We also have the fact that th body of a given laptop is not the only thing that matters when you talk build quality, the parts used matters just as much, how much is a great body worth if the motherboard is built like shit and will die in a years time? Yeah not worth a damn.

I get build quality is being mixed up with feel and other shit.

 

The facts remain a Macbook can only dream about coming close to a T420 or T430 in build quality and those are plastic with a roll cage and shock absorbers, so compared to those macbooks are build poorly, but compared to your average acer and such laptop a MacBook is built well. It basically comes down to what you compare it to.

 

Also look at the Carbon X1, that laptop is really thin, yet it is build a lot better than any MacBook and if you look at basically any T series laptop, then you will see they are pretty average in thickness l.

 

The optimal is something like Business laptops do, with a magnesium alu body, shock absorbers and a roll cage, but I guess those are "thick" because they are around 20mm thick when closed.

 

Those are my 2 cents, which a lot seem to be able to learn a lot from.

[TheDankKoosh]

3 minutes ago, Dackzy said:

I think we need to settle some things here.

A metal laptop will send the shock from a drop further into the laptop, which means the risk of damage to the parts inside is bigger than compared to plastic, why? Plastic in the case of it being a hard enough hit it will break off, meaning less shock sendt into the laptop, then we also have the fact the metal will bend and metal is a conductor, meaning it will short your shit if you get it to bend the wrong place.

Then we also have the fact that the feel of a laptop basically means nothing, a T420s doesn't really feel that good when you touch it, but good luck killing it.

 

A laptop with a good plastic body and then a metal roll cage as I like to call them will beat out a good pure metal laptop in durability, there is nothing to talk about there, we have seen this time and time again with business laptops vs your premium metal laptop.

We also have the fact that th body of a given laptop is not the only thing that matters when you talk build quality, the parts used matters just as much, how much is a great body worth if the motherboard is built like shit and will die in a years time? Yeah not worth a damn.

I get build quality is being mixed up with feel and other shit.

 

The facts remain a Macbook can only dream about coming close to a T420 or T430 in build quality and those are plastic with a roll cage and shock absorbers, so compared to those macbooks are build poorly, but compared to your average acer and such laptop a MacBook is built well. It basically comes down to what you compare it to.

 

Also look at the Carbon X1, that laptop is really thin, yet it is build a lot better than any MacBook and if you look at basically any T series laptop, then you will see they are pretty average in thickness l.

 

The optimal is something like Business laptops do, with a magnesium alu body, shock absorbers and a roll cage, but I guess those are "thick" because they are around 20mm thick when closed.

 

Those are my 2 cents, which a lot seem to be able to learn a lot from.

Thank you for the comment to clear all of this up, I'm fine with the actual build quality that the mbp offers, just not at the prices that they are offered.

[Dackzy]

Just now, TheDankKoosh said:

Thank you for the comment to clear all of this up, I'm fine with the actual build quality they the mbp offers, just not at the prices that they are offered.

kinda the same here, I would break a mbp fast if I were to use one. I carry my laptop in its screen and throw it around all the time, so I stay away from them  (though this might have to change soon)

My biggest problem is that they have heat problems.

Also, no problem, I dislike when misinformation is spreading so I like to just clear up things so we don't spread the misinformation or at least minimize it  

[D2ultima]

37 minutes ago, Pendragon said:

That's fair. I have 1 very extreme solution LOL. @D2ultima @Dackzy please let me know if I'm losing it. 

 

Buy a Razer Blade from hid. Buy max years warranty on it. Repaste it with Ic diamond. Voltage lock the 1060 to something lower with a custom vbios I saw up on NBR. Thoughts? 

you're losing it, I'ma burn you at the stake.

 

Plus, repasting voids your warranty with razer. Unless HID warranty overspecs Razer...

 

Also, ICD won't work. It's bare heatpipe to die remember? You need something to fill the gap or the kind of paste they use. Repasting is pointless to the average user.