fx-9590 FX-9590

[Camell513]

So I just made my first system (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8DXctJ) and I loved every bit of it, but I notice that its a 8 core cpu but the task mangier only shows one core on the performance page. Also, I'm using the commander pro/ link to keep most of the pc cool and in there also it only shows the package, nothing else. The thing is that I love the link software but the temp on the package fluctuates way too much to be realistic, it goes from 26.5C then to 35C back to 27C and just jumps a lot, making my fans spin up for a sec then spin back down. Any way to fix any of these. Finally, could someone help me with making  a good fan curve so that this thing cools and runs quieter. Thanks! 

 

 

Also, any other tips would help, thanks!

[Enderman]

Task manager -> cpu graph -> right click -> change graph to -> logical processors

 

Also it's a horrible CPU that runs hot and loud, there's nothing you can really do other than upgrade to something that isn't a 5 year old potato, changing the fan curve will not help because it will either run hotter, or it will be louder, you cannot magically make it both cooler and quieter.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

3 minutes ago, Camell513 said:

So I just made my first system (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8DXctJ)

Expect lots of attacks on your build derailing this thread.

3 minutes ago, Camell513 said:

 

and I loved every bit of it, but I notice that its a 8 core cpu but the task mangier only shows one core on the performance page.

How so? Can you make a screenshot?

3 minutes ago, Camell513 said:

Also, I'm using the commander pro/ link to keep most of the pc cool and in there also it only shows the package, nothing else.

It's strange, it should get all the motherboard sensors too. It probably won't get the Celsius sensors, thouth.

3 minutes ago, Camell513 said:

The thing is that I love the link software but the temp on the package fluctuates way too much to be realistic, it goes from 26.5C then to 35C back to 27C and just jumps a lot,

That's normal, package temps aren't accurately measured at idle. You can ignore them, but pay attention to them when the CPU is under load.

3 minutes ago, Camell513 said:

 

making my fans spin up for a sec then spin back down.

That sounds like your fan settings are too sensitive, if they  ramp up as such low temps.

3 minutes ago, Camell513 said:

Any way to fix any of these. Finally, could someone help me with making  a good fan curve so that this thing cools and runs quieter. Thanks! 

It depends on which sensor it tracks. For socket or water temps, I'd say play teh fans down below 40, give them some power between 40 and 50, and only take them higher and higher as you approach 60. The stock fans on the Celsisus are probably high rpm, high static pressure fans, so I'd reserve anything above 80% for 65 and above. You can fine tune that to your taste and experience.

[Belgarathian]

6 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Task manager -> cpu graph -> right click -> change graph to -> logical processors

 

Also it's a horrible CPU that runs hot and loud, there's nothing you can really do other than upgrade to something that isn't a 5 year old potato, changing the fan curve will not help because it will either run hotter, or it will be louder, you cannot magically make it both cooler and quieter.

The FX isn't a potato. Not great, but not a potato. 

 

 

Your temps on the CPU are fine, you could extend out the curve so that it operates at a fixed 30% until package hits 50 degrees and then ramps up to 50%. This will mean that you have a constant noise level and the fans won't keep spinning up and down. 

 

I think under PWM, you can have a minimum of 20% and DC is 40%?

 

[Enderman]

2 minutes ago, Belgarathian said:

The FX isn't a potato. Not great, but not a potato. 

 

It is.

It's super hot, sucks power, has horrible single core performance, is an outdated half-decade old architecture, and lacks a ton of features.

[Belgarathian]

Just now, Enderman said:

It is.

It's super hot, sucks power, has horrible single core performance, is an outdated half-decade old architecture, and lacks a ton of features.

Yup.

 

Still not a potato. For the price it still beats out similarly priced Intel offerings for a multitude of multi threaded workloads (albeit with a lot more power & heat). For gaming it returns playable FPS, particularly at 1440p and 4k.  

[Camell513]

3 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Expect lots of attacks on your build derailing this thread.

 

Lol yea I Kinda expect that, I went with this just cuz its one of a kind

 

4 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

It's strange, it should get all the motherboard sensors too. It probably won't get the Celsius sensors, thouth.

It gets the Mobo ones, but how could I change the corsair fans to not react the second that the package changes, should I just connect to a mobo headder

 

5 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

That sounds like your fan settings are too sensitive, if they  ramp up as such low temps.

It depends on which sensor it tracks. For socket or water temps, I'd say play teh fans down below 40, give them some power between 40 and 50, and only take them higher and higher as you approach 60. The stock fans on the Celsisus are probably high rpm, high static pressure fans, so I'd reserve anything above 80% for 65 and above. You can fine tune that to your taste and experience.

Ok I'll try, also Im using the noctua fans too, its in a push pull config, the fans that came with the rad are cooling me XD. can you give me an image in of the fan curve, i can still try otherwise

[Camell513]

1 minute ago, Belgarathian said:

Yup.

 

Still not a potato. For the price it still beats out similarly priced Intel offerings for a multitude of multi threaded workloads (albeit with a lot more power & heat). For gaming it returns playable FPS, particularly at 1440p and 4k.  

Yea for a 100 dollars I'd call it decent

[Camell513]

Also should I put this to 5 ghz oc or just leave it

[SpaceGhostC2C]

Just now, Camell513 said:

 

It gets the Mobo ones, but how could I change the corsair fans to not react the second that the package changes, should I just connect to a mobo headder

 

I don't have commander in this machine, but you can basically go to the configuration page in which it shows the image of a pc case, and then get any fan it detects and set its curve or at least a constant speed.

[Belgarathian]

1 minute ago, Camell513 said:

Yea for a 100 dollars I'd call it decent

 

Just now, charrst said:

It's a perfectly capable CPU. I've gamed just fine on an FX 8350 for some time. If he got the 9590 used and super cheap, I would have no problems with his choice. But I do understand your frustration when it appears that he just built a $1600 computer with such an old CPU, and payed retail.

Upgrade ability, 0. But the CPU, MB, and RAM for ~$300 is a steal for that horsepower. 

[Camell513]

1 minute ago, charrst said:

It's a perfectly capable CPU. I've gamed just fine on an FX 8350 for some time. If he got the 9590 used and super cheap, I would have no problems with his choice. But I do understand your frustration when it appears that he just built a $1600 computer with such an old CPU, and payed retail.

Lol I get it, but there is only 300 dollars of stuff that is gonna get outdated, the rest seems fine

[Belgarathian]

1 minute ago, Camell513 said:

Also should I put this to 5 ghz oc or just leave it

If you have thermal headroom, heck yeah. You'll see a lot of benefit from the single core perf. increase, particularly when gaming. 

 

But again, more heat = more noise. 

[Camell513]

Just now, Belgarathian said:

 

Upgrade ability, 0. But the CPU, MB, and RAM for ~$300 is a steal for that horsepower. 

Yea there ya see it

[Camell513]

Just now, Belgarathian said:

If you have thermal headroom, heck yeah. You'll see a lot of benefit from the single core perf. increase, particularly when gaming. 

 

But again, more heat = more noise. 

I'd like to try any advice, considering im a newbie

[Belgarathian]

1 minute ago, Camell513 said:

I'd like to try any advice, considering im a newbie

I'm a novice when it comes to AMD OC, but YouTube should have some good tutorials. 

 

http://www.overclock.net/t/1460705/help-to-overclock-fx-9590-to-5ghz-stable

 

 

[-rascal-]

For your temperature situation...try using HWMonitor and/or AIDA64.

These two seems to work quite well with ASUS AM3+ motherboards.

 

HWMonitor

• My FX-8350 and ASUS Crosshair V Formula
• Similar results when I had my Phenom II X6 1090T and ASUS Crosshair IV Formula

If you look under  the Temperatures tab, you see readings for

• CPU
• Mainboard
• SB
• NB
• etc.

I found these were much more reliable; the CPU and motherboard readings were similar to the temperature readings while in the UEFI BIOS.

 

 

Oh, I dig some digging around, and was able to find my FX-8350 @ 5.0 GHz temperature measurements. Both HWMonitor and AIDA64 running...pretty accurate to me.

 

 

Spoiler

I was on air cooling with my FX-8350.

The HWMonitor alone screenshot is with the CPU running at 4.8 GHz, ~1.4V.

HWMonitor and AIDA64 one is.....well...5.0 GHz, ~1.5V

Your overclocking mileage may vary.

 

[Enderman]

9 minutes ago, Belgarathian said:

Yup.

 

Still not a potato. For the price it still beats out similarly priced Intel offerings for a multitude of multi threaded workloads (albeit with a lot more power & heat). For gaming it returns playable FPS, particularly at 1440p and 4k.  

When something uses 2x the necessary power in order to get a few hundred MHz overclock over another CPU, all while being more expensive than the 8350 which is already more than half a decade old and sucks in games, I call that a potato.

[Camell513]

1 minute ago, charrst said:

Did you consider trying to buy those components secondhand? Especially with Ryzen now out, a lot of people are trying to get rid of their old FX CPUs (myself included).

no, It unfortunately thought of it too late

[Camell513]

17 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

I don't have commander in this machine, but you can basically go to the configuration page in which it shows the image of a pc case, and then get any fan it detects and set its curve or at least a constant speed.

Ok I got this fixed, its at a 1000 rpm till it passes 40C then it ramps to 1600ish rpm till 50C then it maxes so I know lol

[Camell513]

10 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

For your temperature situation...try using HWMonitor and/or AIDA64.

These two seems to work quite well with ASUS AM3+ motherboards.

 

HWMonitor

• My FX-8350 and ASUS Crosshair V Formula
• Similar results when I had my Phenom II X6 1090T and ASUS Crosshair IV Formula

If you look under  the Temperatures tab, you see readings for

• CPU
• Mainboard
• SB
• NB
• etc.

I found these were much more reliable; the CPU and motherboard readings were similar to the temperature readings while in the UEFI BIOS.

 

 

Oh, I dig some digging around, and was able to find my FX-8350 @ 5.0 GHz temperature measurements. Both HWMonitor and AIDA64 running...pretty accurate to me.

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

I was on air cooling with my FX-8350.

The HWMonitor alone screenshot is with the CPU running at 4.8 GHz, ~1.4V.

HWMonitor and AIDA64 one is.....well...5.0 GHz, ~1.5V

Your overclocking mileage may vary.

 

Ok is there anyway to have there be more reading than just the package of the CPU

[-rascal-]

6 minutes ago, Camell513 said:

Ok is there anyway to have there be more reading than just the package of the CPU

The individual core temperatures are not going to be accurate.

The temperature sensor / algorithm implemented by AMD is for the CPU as a whole (aka package).

It's basically been like this since after the Athlon 64 X2 (socket AM2) days...which is back in ~2006. 

[Camell513]

4 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

The individual core temperatures are not going to be accurate.

The temperature sensor / algorithm implemented by AMD is for the CPU as a whole (aka package).

It's basically been like this since after the Athlon 64 X2 (socket AM2) days...which is back in ~2006. 

ohhhhhhh thanks, that makes scene, why does it hop around so much then?

[SpaceGhostC2C]

12 hours ago, Camell513 said:

Ok is there anyway to have there be more reading than just the package of the CPU

You have plenty more in your Corsair Link screenshot. One of the motherboard sensors is the socket temperature. And it seems it's getting the sensors from your water cooler as well...

 

12 hours ago, Camell513 said:

ohhhhhhh thanks, that makes scene, why does it hop around so much then?

As I said before:

12 hours ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

That's normal, package temps aren't accurately measured at idle. You can ignore them, but pay attention to them when the CPU is under load.

I may add that all FX cpus, because of the thermal sensors used, will display incorrect and fluctuating temperatures at low levels (i.e., when idling). It's only above certain temperature/load that they can accurately report package temps, without random jumps.

[daweakling]

13 hours ago, Belgarathian said:

The FX isn't a potato. Not great, but not a potato. 

 

I still love my FX 8350, planning on upgrading when the CPU fire storm settles.