Building a new RYZEN PC

[Rahvinox]

Hello everyone Ravhinox here, I am new to this site and still a baby when it comes to building PC's this will be my 3rd Self made system and I want to make a Power house that will last for a Moderate budget $1K CDN - 1.2K CDN I will mostly be using this PC for Gaming, Live Streaming and Video Editing for post on youtube I want to start getting into the habit of doing so but my Current machine is a bit on the Ancient side Check out my profile for more info. Just to let you all know I will be using My Current HDD's (3 of em) and Power Supply in my new rig so if you see some parts missing that is why. Also I will be wanting to Over Clock this machine as well if possible (new to Overclocking so will need help/advice when ever possible)

 

 

-Side note-

I all so want you Game in 4K eventually but I have no idea what to get for a monitor later down the line or if I need to upgrade to a 1080 GFX card later for when I want to Dual Monitor for Streaming 

 

 

Current List of parts

 

1. CPU AMD - Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8-Core Processor OR AMD - Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor (I am not 100% sure if the 1600X works with the X370 chipset of boards if so I may or may not switch to the cheaper option)

 

2. CPU Cooler (Insert DBZ joke here) Corsair - H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler

 

3. Motherboard Asus - CROSSHAIR VI HERO ATX AM4 Motherboard

 

4. Memory Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory

 

5. Case Corsair - Crystal 570X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case

 

Any and all helpful Criticism will be GREATLY appreciated.

[App4that]

I would go with the 1700 verses the 1700X. I own the 1700X and don't overclock over anyone I know with a 1700. 

 

The Motherboard choice is perfect, DO NOT CHANGE THAT 

 

As for the RAM, I have both the LPX and Trident-Z, my LPX overclocks to 2933MHz while the Trident-Z went to 3333MHz. Could be luck, or might be worth going with the Trident-Z.

 

I'd look at a 240 AIO, teh 120 isn't that much cheaper and the 240 will perform much better. Unless you have a restriction in placement. 

 

 

[domandric034]

10 minutes ago, Rahvinox said:

Hello everyone Ravhinox here, I am new to this site and still a baby when it comes to building PC's this will be my 3rd Self made system and I want to make a Power house that will last for a Moderate budget $1K CDN - 1.2K CDN I will mostly be using this PC for Gaming, Live Streaming and Video Editing for post on youtube I want to start getting into the habit of doing so but my Current machine is a bit on the Ancient side Check out my profile for more info. Just to let you all know I will be using My Current HDD's (3 of em) and Power Supply in my new rig so if you see some parts missing that is why. Also I will be wanting to Over Clock this machine as well if possible (new to Overclocking so will need help/advice when ever possible)

 

 

-Side note-

I all so want you Game in 4K eventually but I have no idea what to get for a monitor later down the line or if I need to upgrade to a 1080 GFX card later for when I want to Dual Monitor for Streaming 

 

 

Current List of parts

 

1. CPU AMD - Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8-Core Processor OR AMD - Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor (I am not 100% sure if the 1600X works with the X370 chipset of boards if so I may or may not switch to the cheaper option)

 

2. CPU Cooler (Insert DBZ joke here) Corsair - H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler

 

3. Motherboard Asus - CROSSHAIR VI HERO ATX AM4 Motherboard

 

4. Memory Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory

 

5. Case Corsair - Crystal 570X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case

 

Any and all helpful Criticism will be GREATLY appreciated.

Get X370 Taichi from ASRock and I think you should get R7 1700 and save some money and also if you pick watercooler then get NZXT Kraken X62

[domandric034]

5 minutes ago, App4that said:

The Motherboard choice is perfect, DO NOT CHANGE THAT 

 

 

I think X370 Taichi is wayyy better for what you get for price.

[App4that]

4 minutes ago, domandric034 said:

I think X370 Taichi is wayyy better for what you get for price.

Nope, both have the dual phase power delivery for the RAM, but ASUS is way ahead in terms of bios compatability. 

 

Not to say the Taichi is a bad board, just not as good as the C6H. 

[cj09beira]

11 minutes ago, domandric034 said:

I think X370 Taichi is wayyy better for what you get for price.

asrock's bios isn't as good

[domandric034]

Just now, cj09beira said:

asrock's bios isn't as good

Are you sure about that ?

Tell me reasons.

[cj09beira]

 

[Rahvinox]

24 minutes ago, App4that said:

I would go with the 1700 verses the 1700X. I own the 1700X and don't overclock over anyone I know with a 1700. 

 

The Motherboard choice is perfect, DO NOT CHANGE THAT 

 

As for the RAM, I have both the LPX and Trident-Z, my LPX overclocks to 2933MHz while the Trident-Z went to 3333MHz. Could be luck, or might be worth going with the Trident-Z.

 

I'd look at a 240 AIO, teh 120 isn't that much cheaper and the 240 will perform much better. Unless you have a restriction in placement. 

 

 

I have never water Cooled before so I will probably go to Canada Computers and get a system implemented or something

[App4that]

1 minute ago, Rahvinox said:

I have never water Cooled before so I will probably go to Canada Computers and get a system implemented or something

Honestly with Ryzen if you spend some time dialing it in, you don't need an extreme cooling solution. I got a X62 Kraken worried about thermal, and really don't use it. Even pushing a pretty good overclock I'm staying below 60c. I'm sure all 280mm of radiator help with that, but my friends report the same with smaller AIO. 

[Spuriae]

Just now, App4that said:

Nope, both have the dual phase power delivery for the RAM, but ASUS is way ahead in terms of bios compatability. 

 

Not to say the Taichi is a bad board, just not as good as the C6H. 

RAM phases make very little difference. The Taichi has a much better Vcore VRM, not that that's going to make a huge difference either.

5 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

 

That video is about them improving the bios, and if anything it's just going to get better if they're taking Buildzoid's feedback...

 

Honestly, OP doesn't need either of these boards; they're both overkill even for an involved overclocker. Bios updates should bring all boards to better RAM speeds, and power cleanliness doesn't matter much for the sorts of overclocking OP is going to be doing. Downgrading to a 1700, B350 board, and more powerful cheaper air cooler will give equal  performance to what he has now.

[cj09beira]

Just now, Nimrodor said:

RAM phases make very little difference. The Taichi has a much better Vcore VRM, not that that's going to make a huge difference either.

That video is about them improving the bios, and if anything it's just going to get better if they're taking Buildzoid's feedback...

 

Honestly, OP doesn't need either of these boards; they're both overkill even for an involved overclocker. Bios updates should bring all boards to better RAM speeds, and power cleanliness doesn't matter much for the sorts of overclocking OP is going to be doing. Downgrading to a 1700, B350 board, and more powerful cheaper air cooler will give equal  performance to what he has now.

one important thing is the external bclk clock to allow smaller oc tweaks so that if you can't get 4ghz you might try 3.95 for example.

 

[Rahvinox]

1 minute ago, Nimrodor said:

RAM phases make very little difference. The Taichi has a much better Vcore VRM, not that that's going to make a huge difference either.

That video is about them improving the bios, and if anything it's just going to get better if they're taking Buildzoid's feedback...

 

Honestly, OP doesn't need either of these boards; they're both overkill even for an involved overclocker. Bios updates should bring all boards to better RAM speeds, and power cleanliness doesn't matter much for the sorts of overclocking OP is going to be doing. Downgrading to a 1700, B350 board, and more powerful cheaper air cooler will give equal  performance to what he has now.

Do you have any Recomendations for a good Air Cooler?

[App4that]

Just now, Nimrodor said:

RAM phases make very little difference. The Taichi has a much better Vcore VRM, not that that's going to make a huge difference either.

That video is about them improving the bios, and if anything it's just going to get better if they're taking Buildzoid's feedback...

 

Honestly, OP doesn't need either of these boards; they're both overkill even for an involved overclocker. Bios updates should bring all boards to better RAM speeds, and power cleanliness doesn't matter much for the sorts of overclocking OP is going to be doing. Downgrading to a 1700, B350 board, and more powerful cheaper air cooler will give equal  performance to what he has now.

Yeah the VRMs are on point with both boards. This comes down to investment. This isn't Intel, you don't buy a platform and only have an upgrade path to the CPU above your's in it. AM4 will run through 2020 and Zen3. Potentially past that. You put as much money into the board as you can, and pick at nits. Because you're going to use that board for a long time, if you're smart. 

[Spuriae]

1 minute ago, cj09beira said:

one important thing is the external bclk clock to allow smaller oc tweaks so that if you can't get 4ghz you might try 3.95 for example.

Right, but I wouldn't recommend spending an extra $100 on BCLK for a light overclocker. 

 

2 minutes ago, App4that said:

Yeah the VRMs are on point with both boards. This comes down to investment. This isn't Intel, you don't buy a platform and only have an upgrade path to the CPU above your's in it. AM4 will run through 2020 and Zen3. Potentially past that. You put as much money into the board as you can, and pick at nits. Because you're going to use that board for a long time, if you're smart. 

What features that are aren't worth it in 2017 will become worth it in 2020? Are people who had $200 boards with their 4770k's any worse off than the people with $100 boards today? If anything in 2020 we'll be looking forward to DDR5, some new storage standard, PCIE 4.0, and widespread Thunderbolt adoption that will make upgrading within an old platform unsound.

 

7 minutes ago, Rahvinox said:

Do you have any Recomendations for a good Air Cooler?

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[Rahvinox]

all very interesting thank you all for your input

[App4that]

15 hours ago, Nimrodor said:

 

What features that are aren't worth it in 2017 will become worth it in 2020? Are people who had $200 boards with their 4770k's any worse off than the people with $100 boards today? If anything in 2020 we'll be looking forward to DDR5, some new storage standard, PCIE 4.0, and widespread Thunderbolt adoption that will make upgrading within an old platform unsound.

 

My MPOWER Z97 motherboard is still going strong, lets my 4790k sit at 4.7GHz. 

 

Here's the 100 dollar cheaper Gigabyte UD3 that didn't. Makes a great conversation piece. 

You don't spend 100 bucks for fancy heatsinks, that 100 bucks gives you better copper and VRMs.

 

[Spuriae]

3 hours ago, App4that said:

My MPOWER Z97 motherboard is still going strong, lets my 4790k sit at 4.7GHz. 

 

Here's the 100 dollar cheaper Gigabyte UD3 that didn't. Makes a great conversation piece. 

You don't spend 100 bucks for fancy heatsinks, that 100 bucks gives you better copper and VRMs.

 

I also have a handful of H55 boards that are still going strong. In the scheme of large reliability trends, a single anecdote is meaningless. If anything, you're the exception rather than the rule.

 

More complex (more expensive, usually) boards are more likely to fail than cheaper ones, and your boards in particular are in fact an extreme example of this. The VRM on the MPower Z97 is very similar to the MSI Gaming 7, which was the least reliable Z97 board by a large margin according to RMA data from hardware.fr. The UD3 was one of their most reliable. Overall, it's 7.5% failure for the MSI and 1.14% for the Gigabyte.

[App4that]

2 hours ago, Nimrodor said:

I also have a handful of H55 boards that are still going strong. In the scheme of large reliability trends, a single anecdote is meaningless. If anything, you're the exception rather than the rule.

 

More complex (more expensive, usually) boards are more likely to fail than cheaper ones, and your boards in particular are in fact an extreme example of this. The VRM on the MPower Z97 is very similar to the MSI Gaming 7, which was the least reliable Z97 board by a large margin according to RMA data from hardware.fr. The UD3 was one of their most reliable. Overall, it's 7.5% failure for the MSI and 1.14% for the Gigabyte.

No, though MSI isn't known for their power delivery, or known for it not being the best I should say. The MPOWER in the Z97 line is solid. The UD3 failed within days, though it was a bent pin and I just straightened it. It's on display as a warning to other parts that may think of crossing me.

 

If you want to buy a cheap motherboard, the foundation of your entire PC, have at it. That's your bed to sleep in, make sure to tag me in all your topics about your problems so I can lend a hand.

 

Telling someone else to buy a cheap board, is bad manners. Unless you want to take responsibility for their problems. 

[Spuriae]

Just now, App4that said:

No, though MSI isn't known for their power delivery, or known for it not being the best I should say. The MPOWER in the Z97 line is solid. The UD3 failed within days, though it was a bent pin and I just straightened it. It's on display as a warning to other parts that may think of crossing me.

 

If you want to buy a cheap motherboard, the foundation of your entire PC, have at it. That's your bed to sleep in, make sure to tag me in all your topics about your problems so I can lend a hand.

 

Telling someone else to buy a cheap board, is bad manners. Unless you want to take responsibility for their problems. 

I'm a motherboard enthusiast by all means, but I'm not going to recommend something super expensive to someone who doesn't need it. What are the downsides of a cheap board if you don't need the extra features or power delivery? 

 

I don't dislike the VRM on the MPower; 6 phases with a 2MHz PWM controller (even if it is analog) is pretty good. I'm just using it to point out that your statement about boards with better VRM's lasting longer doesn't really hold true. Most failures are random.

 

[App4that]

Just now, Nimrodor said:

I'm a motherboard enthusiast by all means, but I'm not going to recommend something super expensive to someone who doesn't need it. What are the downsides of a cheap board if you don't need the extra features or power delivery? 

 

I don't dislike the VRM on the MPower; 6 phases with a 2MHz PWM controller (even if it is analog) is pretty good. I'm just using it to point out that your statement about boards with better VRM's lasting longer doesn't really hold true. Most failures are random.

 

You realize that the X370 board is set up to support APUs? Right? The C6H has four phases set aside for just that. 

 

You have my undying loyalty and agreement that 500 dollar motherboards with carbon fiber heatsink covers are just plain silly. But we aren't talking about them, we're talking about the C6H. Having worked with the board it's just as good a board as you can buy. No wifi adaptors, no silly add ons. Just a solid motherboard built to support what may come. I get the budget, I work within a budget. I also know where to stick the money to make my experiance as smooth as possible, because in the end that's what matters. 100MHz won't wreck your day, crappy bios and cheap motherboards with more bugs than a rent controlled apartment will. 

[Spuriae]

Just now, App4that said:

You realize that the X370 board is set up to support APUs? Right? The C6H has four phases set aside for just that. 

 

You have my undying loyalty and agreement that 500 dollar motherboards with carbon fiber heatsink covers are just plain silly. But we aren't talking about them, we're talking about the C6H. Having worked with the board it's just as good a board as you can buy. No wifi adaptors, no silly add ons. Just a solid motherboard built to support what may come. I get the budget, I work within a budget. I also know where to stick the money to make my experiance as smooth as possible, because in the end that's what matters. 100MHz won't wreck your day, crappy bios and cheap motherboards with more bugs than a rent controlled apartment will. 

And B350 (or even A320) isn't compatible with APU's? Where are you getting this? (And who would "upgrade" from 8 cores to an APU?)

 

Where exactly are you getting that ASUS has the best bios or that said bios is worth $150 over a standard budget board? If anything ASUS has been the only manufacturer that's managed to brick its own motherboards en masse with a bad bios so far. 

[App4that]

Just now, Nimrodor said:

And B350 (or even A320) isn't compatible with APU's? Where are you getting this? (And who would "upgrade" from 8 cores to an APU?)

 

Where exactly are you getting that ASUS has the best bios or that said bios is worth $150 over a standard budget board? If anything ASUS has been the only manufacturer that's managed to brick its own motherboards en masse with a bad bios so far. 

You lose multi card support with the B350, this is again about the upgrade path. I don't build PC's for right now, I build PC's to last years.

 

The bios are the same, but the dual phase power delivery to the RAM is not. Not sure there's a board outside the Taichi that offers that. Tha APu is about power delivery as well, you want those extra phases for overclocking. I was overclocking HD4600s to over twice the factory speed, kinda fun actually. 

 

The point is you want as many options as possible, as no one here is a fortune teller. If we could see into the future we wouldn't be wasting time here. 

[Spuriae]

Just now, App4that said:

You lose multi card support with the B350, this is again about the upgrade path. I don't build PC's for right now, I build PC's to last years.

 

The bios are the same, but the dual phase power delivery to the RAM is not. Not sure there's a board outside the Taichi that offers that. Tha APu is about power delivery as well, you want those extra phases for overclocking. I was overclocking HD4600s to over twice the factory speed, kinda fun actually. 

 

The point is you want as many options as possible, as no one here is a fortune teller. If we could see into the future we wouldn't be wasting time here. 

If only extra memory power delivery were useful on AM4... realistically RAM doesn't care much for power delivery at the sorts of speeds Ryzen can handle.

 

I don't understand what point you're trying to make about the APU. If you're referring to SOC phases, every motherboard has those. Intel motherboards have iGPU phases and we pretend they don't exist (because they're almost useless). B350 supports Crossfire, and SLI doesn't make sense in its current implementation (not for anyone on AM4, anyways – if you want to spend exorbitant amounts for slight performance increases you'll likely be better off upgrading to Threadripper first).

 

You're talking about future proofing for features that don't exist when the best way to get future features is to save money now and buy something nice later. You claim that more expensive motherboards last longer when the statistics say they don't. What exactly is the point of spending $250 on a C6H for a casual overclocker when spending $100 now and $100 later should some new features be released on future chipsets would be both more effective and cheaper?

[App4that]

57 minutes ago, Nimrodor said:

If only extra memory power delivery were useful on AM4... realistically RAM doesn't care much for power delivery at the sorts of speeds Ryzen can handle.

 

I don't understand what point you're trying to make about the APU. If you're referring to SOC phases, every motherboard has those. Intel motherboards have iGPU phases and we pretend they don't exist (because they're almost useless). B350 supports Crossfire, and SLI doesn't make sense in its current implementation (not for anyone on AM4, anyways – if you want to spend exorbitant amounts for slight performance increases you'll likely be better off upgrading to Threadripper first).

 

You're talking about future proofing for features that don't exist when the best way to get future features is to save money now and buy something nice later. You claim that more expensive motherboards last longer when the statistics say they don't. What exactly is the point of spending $250 on a C6H for a casual overclocker when spending $100 now and $100 later should some new features be released on future chipsets would be both more effective and cheaper?

You're avoiding my points, or not getting them which could be my fault.

 

You look at the failure rates which mean nothing. No one should buy a motherboard without a warranty, I don't even know if they're out there to be honest. So why worry about that? You worry about how relevant that board will be through it's life cycle, and how long that life cycle is. You brought up DDR5, not until 2020. If Intel pushes it you're not going to see it outside enthusiast platforms like you saw with DDR4. Over the next 4 years nothing will come in terms of features that makes a X370 board not relevant. The USB 3.1 header is important, the C6H has one. The APU power delivery is important as it's class leading. Again, may not be important now, but with how things move could be important. The dual phase power delivery on the RAM is extremely important as RAM speed for Ryzen is as important as clock Speed on the CPU. You need clean power when compatability is, fragile.

 

I get you're thrifty, nothing wrong with that. If you're doing it for yourself and therefore taking on the risks of cutting corners. Over engineered means no cut corners. It's insurance you won't have problems not covered by the manufacturer. Just because you don't have to spend 500 dollars on a motherboard, is making sure you have the most solid foundation for your build a bad idea. Same with the power supply.