MSI mobo + Ryzen issues?

[Zando_]

Hey guys, been reading up on Ryzen lately, as I'm planning on upgrading to it ASAP. I am pretty much a fanboy of MSI just from how their motherboards look. I love the jet black PCB, as well as the RGB integration (ASUS has got RGB as well, and Gigabyte has some nice black PCBs), but I read somewhere MSI is having issues with Ryzen? What kind of issues? Is it just a slow first post, or is every boot slow? Will it not let me OC the CPU and RAM properly? Basically, are there any major issues, or will I be fine if I get one instead of an ASUS or Gigabyte mobo?

 

TL;DR: What are the issues MSI mobos have with Ryzen? 

[Cryosec]

never heard about issues relatet strictly to MSI mobos, but I'd guess RAM frequency as I still can't get 3200MHz with mine

[Dackzy]

MSI motherboards and AMD have always been rather ehhh or bad. Right now it is a memory thing.

 

Right now the only motherboards I would recommend for Ryzen is Asrock professional gaming (needs to be professional), Asrock taichi, Gigabyte gaming 5 and Gigabyte gaming 7. Those are the best motherboards for ryzen....

[Megah3rtz]

Takes me about 15-20 seconds to boot every time to windows with an SSD. it's not great but it's my only complaint. everything else is very nice. 

 

(B350 PC MATE) 

[App4that]

ASUS has the best Ryzen boards because of their bios, then Gigabyte and ASRock. Have my RAM at 3333MHz using a ASUS board and the Beta bios, but hve friends that hit 3600MHz. 

[Ryujin2003]

I've read tons of posts here about the two. You'll be fine. I'm not ballsy enough to try Beta BIOS, buy I use R7 1700x and MSI X370 Carbon Pro.

 

I use MSI because they seem to have a great product and price point. If I had to say best, a lot of people really like the ASUS lineup of Crosshair, but I've never used one.

 

Yes RAM speeds are a thing, but not. Game ender for Ryzen.

 

The only thing I really dislike is that Widows doesn't like Ryzen RAID drivers.

[Princess Luna]

Asus and AsRock are the ones I recommend daily, always avoid MSi they are all about game marketing and little true quality and performance in my humble opinion.

 

Rocking Asus Prime Pro and also haven't had any headaches since day one, I know people with MSi boards on the latest BIOS that won't pass the 2666mhz ram barrier even by today.

[App4that]

9 minutes ago, Ryujin2003 said:

 

Yes RAM speeds are a thing, but not. Game ender for Ryzen.

 

You'd be surprized how much a thing RAM speed is with Ryzen. Even in Cinebench I get the same increase in score from a Mhz increase on the RAM, as on the CPU. In games it's more, way more. Timings are also important as at the same frequency changing them even within the same CL I can change my Cinebench score by over 30 points by just adjusting timings. 

[Ryujin2003]

6 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Asus and AsRock are the ones I recommend daily, always avoid MSi they are all about game marketing and little true quality and performance in my humble opinion.

 

Rocking Asus Prime Pro and also haven't had any headaches since day one, I know people with MSi boards on the latest BIOS that won't pass the 2666mhz ram barrier even by today.

MSI hasn't published Beta yet for all boards, but the do provide Beta BIOS.

 

Yes, gaming is their main push, but their products are anything but substandard.

 

I had ASUS once. Have friends that used to have them. MSI has great customer service if something does go wrong. Good luck with ASUS customer service.

 

Each brand has their tradeoffs. No one is superior. And recommendations are all going to be based on experience, bias included. One bad experience can lead someone to bash a company for 1:1,000,000,000 odds of a failed product. (Number is made up fail rate.)

[Ryujin2003]

1 minute ago, App4that said:

You'd be surprized how much a thing RAM speed is with Ryzen. Even in Cinebench I get the same increase in score from a Mhz increase on the RAM, as on the CPU. In games it's more, way more. Timings are also important as at the same frequency changing them even within the same CL I can change my Cinebench score by over 30 points by just adjusting timings. 

Yes I know RAM speeds is a huge deal, especially in benchmarks. 2666 has been working well for me, and have found some other forms that provided insight into additional RAM clocking that I hadn't seen before and will try with those.

[Princess Luna]

Just now, Ryujin2003 said:

I had ASUS once. Have friends that used to have them. MSI has great customer service if something does go wrong. Good luck with ASUS customer service.

Interesting enough here in Brazil it is the other way around, MSi sucks at costumers support while Asus has really solid support, then again I think MSi is not manufacturing nationally yet while Asus already opened assembly lines here in Brazil which also decreased costs making the most common motherboards in Brazil.

[App4that]

1 minute ago, Ryujin2003 said:

Yes I know RAM speeds is a huge deal, especially in benchmarks. 2666 has been working well for me, and have found some other forms that provided insight into additional RAM clocking that I hadn't seen before and will try with those.

Honestly I needed the beta bios to break 2933. Even then I had to manually adjust my VTTDDR and CPU SOC voltages. 

[Spuriae]

1 minute ago, Ryujin2003 said:

MSI hasn't published Beta yet for all boards, but the do provide Beta BIOS.

 

Yes, gaming is their main push, but their products are anything but substandard.

 

I had ASUS once. Have friends that used to have them. MSI has great customer service if something does go wrong. Good luck with ASUS customer service.

 

Each brand has their tradeoffs. No one is superior. And recommendations are all going to be based on experience, bias included. One bad experience can lead someone to bash a company for 1:1,000,000,000 odds of a failed product. (Number is made up fail rate.)

For motherboards, around 2% odds of DOA, 4% of something not working properly but it still booting, and 1% failing if already working before going obsolete. Odds of failure higher with more complex boards.

[Zando_]

Added a poll.

[domandric034]

1 hour ago, Zando Bob said:

Hey guys, been reading up on Ryzen lately, as I'm planning on upgrading to it ASAP. I am pretty much a fanboy of MSI just from how their motherboards look. I love the jet black PCB, as well as the RGB integration (ASUS has got RGB as well, and Gigabyte has some nice black PCBs), but I read somewhere MSI is having issues with Ryzen? What kind of issues? Is it just a slow first post, or is every boot slow? Will it not let me OC the CPU and RAM properly? Basically, are there any major issues, or will I be fine if I get one instead of an ASUS or Gigabyte mobo?

 

TL;DR: What are the issues MSI mobos have with Ryzen? 

Get ASRock X370 Taichi

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, domandric034 said:

Get ASRock X370 Taichi

Specs look awesome and I love the features, but the colors don't jive well with my case (Corsair Spec-02 with the stock red LED fan). Is there a site or something where you can input your components and build a virtual computer so you can see how it looks? 

[domandric034]

Just now, Zando Bob said:

Specs look awesome and I love the features, but the colors don't jive well with my case (Corsair Spec-02 with the stock red LED fan). Is there a site or something where you can input your components and build a virtual computer so you can see how it looks? 

Do you already got the case ?

[Zando_]

2 minutes ago, domandric034 said:

Do you already got the case ?

Yup. Here's my current system (I'm upgrading to Ryzen and getting a new mobo, RAM, and PSU): 

Spoiler

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fbfb6X
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fbfb6X/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Pentium G645 2.9GHz Dual-Core Processor  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Motherboard: Intel - DH77KC ATX LGA1155 Motherboard  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Storage: Kingston - HyperX Fury 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 1TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB SC GAMING ACX 2.0 Video Card  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Case: Corsair - SPEC-02 ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Mouse: Logitech - MX Master Bluetooth Wireless Laser Mouse  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Other: Acer OEM 550W 80 Plus Bronze (Purchased)
Other: HP OEM DVD RW (Purchased)
Other: Windows 10 Home 64-bit upgraded from Win7 (Purchased)
Total: $0.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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[domandric034]

Just now, Zando Bob said:

Yup. Here's my current system (I'm upgrading to Ryzen and getting a new mobo, RAM, and PSU): 

  Hide contents

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fbfb6X
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fbfb6X/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Pentium G645 2.9GHz Dual-Core Processor  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Motherboard: Intel - DH77KC ATX LGA1155 Motherboard  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Storage: Kingston - HyperX Fury 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 1TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB SC GAMING ACX 2.0 Video Card  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Case: Corsair - SPEC-02 ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Mouse: Logitech - MX Master Bluetooth Wireless Laser Mouse  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Other: Acer OEM 550W 80 Plus Bronze (Purchased)
Other: HP OEM DVD RW (Purchased)
Other: Windows 10 Home 64-bit upgraded from Win7 (Purchased)
Total: $0.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-05 15:24 EDT-0400

 

Get rather a new case. Consider Cooler Master MasterBox 5 White Edition with SP120 White fans on it.

 

[domandric034]

2 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Yup. Here's my current system (I'm upgrading to Ryzen and getting a new mobo, RAM, and PSU): 

  Reveal hidden contents

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fbfb6X
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fbfb6X/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel - Pentium G645 2.9GHz Dual-Core Processor  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Motherboard: Intel - DH77KC ATX LGA1155 Motherboard  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Memory: Crucial - Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Storage: Kingston - HyperX Fury 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 1TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB SC GAMING ACX 2.0 Video Card  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Case: Corsair - SPEC-02 ATX Mid Tower Case  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Mouse: Logitech - MX Master Bluetooth Wireless Laser Mouse  (Purchased For $0.00) 
Other: Acer OEM 550W 80 Plus Bronze (Purchased)
Other: HP OEM DVD RW (Purchased)
Other: Windows 10 Home 64-bit upgraded from Win7 (Purchased)
Total: $0.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-05 15:24 EDT-0400

 

How large is your budget for new rig ?

[Zando_]

Just now, domandric034 said:

How large is your budget for new rig ?

I'm trying to do an upgrade for around $400. I'm saving for a new mountain bike (my other hobby), and it'll run me around $3300 to $4800 USD, so not blowing $1K+ on a computer is good (though I'll eventually get a high end gaming PC, someday...). 

 

And as far as cases go, I'd like to upgrade to a Corsair 400c white. So maybe I should go for an ASrock and then it'll match my case when I upgrade it. And the teach does look like it has a ton of awesome features. Especially when I eventually upgrade to something like a Ryzen 7 1700. 

[domandric034]

Just now, Zando Bob said:

I'm trying to do an upgrade for around $400. I'm saving for a new mountain bike (my other hobby), and it'll run me around $3300 to $4800 USD, so not blowing $1K+ on a computer is good (though I'll eventually get a high end gaming PC, someday...). 

 

And as far as cases go, I'd like to upgrade to a Corsair 400c white. So maybe I should go for an ASrock and then it'll match my case when I upgrade it. And the teach does look like it has a ton of awesome features. Especially when I eventually upgrade to something like a Ryzen 7 1700. 

1k should be up and running with R5 1600 + RX 580 + 16 GB @ 3200 MHz

The only $400 upgrade I can currently think of is R5 1400 + A320 Motherboard + 8 GB @ 2400-3000 MHz

[domandric034]

3 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

I'm trying to do an upgrade for around $400. I'm saving for a new mountain bike (my other hobby), and it'll run me around $3300 to $4800 USD, so not blowing $1K+ on a computer is good (though I'll eventually get a high end gaming PC, someday...). 

 

And as far as cases go, I'd like to upgrade to a Corsair 400c white. So maybe I should go for an ASrock and then it'll match my case when I upgrade it. And the teach does look like it has a ton of awesome features. Especially when I eventually upgrade to something like a Ryzen 7 1700. 

And mountain bikes are that expensive ?!

Damn...

 

[Zando_]

Just now, domandric034 said:

1k should be up and running with R5 1600 + RX 580 + 16 GB @ 3200 MHz

The only $400 upgrade I can currently think of is R5 1400 + A320 Motherboard + 8 GB @ 2400-3000 MHz

It's around $417 or so for a R5 1400, B350 or cheaper X370 mobo, 8GB DDR4 300Mhz RAM, and a Seasonic M12II to replace the OEM PSU in my build. I'll see if I can get my parents to let me stretch to about $480 so I can get the Tiachi. 

[Zando_]

Just now, domandric034 said:

And mountain bikes are that expensive ?!

Damn...

 

Only really high end ones. I've got a "super budget" bike ($700), all the bike magazines call $1500 bikes budget/entry level bikes, a $3-5K bike is a high end monster, and then factory racers who are sponsored get bikes that would be worth $7-10+K. Basically they are like supercars. They're built out of super light weight alloys and carbon fiber, use advanced shaping to lose more weight, take years of experience to get the shape (geometry) right, and are engineered to handle the high speeds you can get them up to. So compared to a Lambo or McLaren, they're pretty cheap .