i7: X series vs 7th gen

[Andrea_Duina]

Hi everyone,

I'm new to the forum and even to the world of hardware.

I compared here (Intel's official site), 3 different processors: i7-7800X  -  i7-7820X  -  i7-7700K.

In the specs I found that 7700 has less cores but that runs faster (?), I mean the base processor frequency is way higher than the other two, and even the max turbo frequency is higher.

More cores makes it faster, and it's ok, the other two even support more ram, and yeah, more frequency doesn't mean better, but then, what's the best processor (probably 7820, but why?)

(I work with 3D)

Thanks

[PCGuy_5960]

If you do a lot of 3d rendering, the 7820X is a lot better, because it has more cores and those cores can be used by 3D rendering applications. Frequency is irrelevant, because all of them are overclockable

BTW, take a look at Ryzen as well, it is very good for 3D rendering and it is quite a bit cheaper

[Andrea_Duina]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

If you do a lot of 3d rendering, the 7820X is a lot better, because it has more cores and those cores can be used by 3D rendering applications. Frequency is irrelevant, because all of them are overclockable

BTW, take a look at Ryzen as well, it is very good for 3D rendering and it is quite a bit cheaper

Thanks,

another problem is budget , because I saw that 7820X will cost around 600$, but 7800 just 400$, 200$ for 2 cores?

(I'm going to check Ryzen)

[PCGuy_5960]

2 minutes ago, Andrea_Duina said:

Thanks,

another problem is budget , because I saw that 7820X will cost around 600$, but 7800 just 400$, 200$ for 2 cores?

(I'm going to check Ryzen)

If you are on a budget, get a Ryzen 7 1700, pair it with a B350 motherboard and overclock it to 3.8-4GHz. It won't cost you more than $500-600

[Technomancer__]

4 minutes ago, Andrea_Duina said:

another problem is budget , because I saw that 7820X will cost around 600$, but 7800 just 400$, 200$ for 2 cores?

dont forget the super expensive motherboards 

[PCGuy_5960]

1 minute ago, Ethocreeper said:

dont forget the super expensive motherboards 

Do we have any info on X299 motherboard pricing? No, thus we don't know how much they will cost

[Technomancer__]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

Do we have any info on X299 motherboard pricing? No, thus we don't know how much they will cost

but they will cost a shit ton more like x99 vs z170 and z270

and ryzen b350 & x370

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, Ethocreeper said:

but they will cost a shit ton more like x99 vs z170 and z270

and ryzen b350 & x370

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LgmxFT/asrock-x370-killer-sliac-atx-am4-motherboard-x370-killer-sliac

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TYNypg/msi-x99a-sli-atx-lga2011-3-motherboard-x99a-sli

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/z2Z2FT/asrock-z270-extreme4-atx-lga1151-motherboard-z270-extreme4

X99 motherboards aren't too expensive compared to decent Z270/X370 boards

[Technomancer__]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LgmxFT/asrock-x370-killer-sliac-atx-am4-motherboard-x370-killer-sliac

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TYNypg/msi-x99a-sli-atx-lga2011-3-motherboard-x99a-sli

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/z2Z2FT/asrock-z270-extreme4-atx-lga1151-motherboard-z270-extreme4

X99 motherboards aren't too expensive compared to decent Z270/X370 boards

interesting they went down since i last checked

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, Ethocreeper said:

interesting they went down since i last checked

Yeah, higher end X99 boards are quite expensive, but even the lowest end ones are high end (if that makes sense )

[Andrea_Duina]

3 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

If you are on a budget, get a Ryzen 7 1700, pair it with a B350 motherboard and overclock it to 3.8-4GHz. It won't cost you more than $500-600

Wow! That's great!

Just now, Ethocreeper said:

dont forget the super expensive motherboards 

 

 

Well, I'll tell you guys everything:

I'm looking for a new computer for programming in Unity, Android Studio and so, and I think a desktop computer will be better, isn't it? Then I need to run a virtual machine of Mac OS X (fluently) to build for iOS.

My budget is around 1700$, but before a few days ago I didn't know nothing about hardware at all.

So my idea is:

- A great processor (7820 if possible (but I don't think so))

- RAM: 16GB ddr4

- A good GeForce GTX, but I don't know what to choose

- At least 256GB SSD

- Some HHD (like 1TB?)

 

I don't think I'll ever stay in my budget, so, do you think that will be better to buy a computer and after a while buying the components I want that are not included, or just wain and buy everything at one time? Do you guys have other suggestions?

Thank to everyone

[PCGuy_5960]

Nvm, I am retarded

Edited June 3, 2017 by PCGuy_5960

[Andrea_Duina]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Nvm, I am retarded

Hahahahahah

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, Andrea_Duina said:

Hahahahahah

I didn't read the post

[PCGuy_5960]

6 minutes ago, Andrea_Duina said:

Do you guys have other suggestions?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($299.89 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X62 Liquid CPU Cooler  ($158.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: MSI - X370 SLI PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($122.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3400 Memory  ($154.89 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 Pro Series 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($257.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.44 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card  ($498.68 @ Amazon) 
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($79.49 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $1691.14
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-03 10:59 EDT-0400

[Andrea_Duina]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($299.89 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X62 Liquid CPU Cooler  ($158.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: MSI - X370 SLI PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($122.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3400 Memory  ($154.89 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 Pro Series 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($257.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.44 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card  ($498.68 @ Amazon) 
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($79.49 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $1691.14
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-03 10:59 EDT-0400

WOW! You're awesome! Thank you so much!

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, Andrea_Duina said:

WOW! You're awesome! Thank you so much!

You're welcome

[Andrea_Duina]

I was thinking... probably it's something stupid, but I have a Maxtor M3 external Hard Disk 2TB, can I use it as my HHD?

[PCGuy_5960]

25 minutes ago, Andrea_Duina said:

I was thinking... probably it's something stupid, but I have a Maxtor M3 external Hard Disk 2TB, can I use it as my HHD?

Yep, if you take it apart

[Andrea_Duina]

8 minutes ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

Yep, if you take it apart

Cool, is the one you suggested me better?

[PCGuy_5960]

22 minutes ago, Andrea_Duina said:

Cool, is the one you suggested me better?

Idk TBH

[Andrea_Duina]

And, about Ryzen 1700, I saw that the works with a standard of  3.0GHz and a turbo of 3.7GHz, which is less than standard i7-770k (4.2GHz).

I actually don't know what the click speed "does", but I think that Ryzen uses 8 cores with a lower speed, but which are better for 3D rendering, is it correct?

[Froody129]

1 hour ago, Andrea_Duina said:

I was thinking... probably it's something stupid, but I have a Maxtor M3 external Hard Disk 2TB, can I use it as my HHD?

You'd have to take it apart to put it in the drive bay, or you could just leave it on your desk. I have an external 3TB seagate drive that's sitting on my nest of cables in my PSU basement. 

[Froody129]

1 hour ago, Andrea_Duina said:

I was thinking... probably it's something stupid, but I have a Maxtor M3 external Hard Disk 2TB, can I use it as my HHD?

Double post and editor broken  

[Coaxialgamer]

I honestly find Skylake X to be pretty worthless imo . 

Unless intel manages to work a sizable per core perf increase into it , ryzen offers a better deal .

7800 is overpriced for a 6 core part , considering you can get a high end 8 core ryzen chip for that much , and boards are cheaper.

 

It depends on your budget i guess , but  definitely look into ryzen and threadripper.