i7: X series vs 7th gen

[Coaxialgamer]

34 minutes ago, Andrea_Duina said:

And, about Ryzen 1700, I saw that the works with a standard of  3.0GHz and a turbo of 3.7GHz, which is less than standard i7-770k (4.2GHz).

I actually don't know what the click speed "does", but I think that Ryzen uses 8 cores with a lower speed, but which are better for 3D rendering, is it correct?

each ryzen core is a bit slower than the 7700k , but if your workload can take advantage of the extra cores , the 1700 should pull ahead by quite a bit .

Comparing clock speed accross different architectures isn't a good idea , so just forget about that .

 

Just know both chips can be overclocked . 1700 can tyypically reach around 4 ghz with proper cooling ( faster than the r7 1800x ) , and the i7 7700k can reach around 5ghz ( again , on 4 cores )

[PCGuy_5960]

41 minutes ago, Andrea_Duina said:

And, about Ryzen 1700, I saw that the works with a standard of  3.0GHz and a turbo of 3.7GHz, which is less than standard i7-770k (4.2GHz).

I actually don't know what the click speed "does", but I think that Ryzen uses 8 cores with a lower speed, but which are better for 3D rendering, is it correct?

Yep, for 3d rendering more cores=better  And you can overclock the 1700 to 3.8-4GHz

[Coaxialgamer]

2 hours ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($299.89 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X62 Liquid CPU Cooler  ($158.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: MSI - X370 SLI PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($122.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3400 Memory  ($154.89 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 Pro Series 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($257.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.44 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card  ($498.68 @ Amazon) 
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($79.49 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $1691.14
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-03 10:59 EDT-0400

OP can actually squeeze in a 1080 ti by giving up the 3400mhz ram ( which probably won't run on ryzen tbh ) and getting a different cooler .

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Xct4QV
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Xct4QV/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($299.89 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua - NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($87.89 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI - X370 SLI PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($122.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws 4 Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($111.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($169.99 @ Dell Small Business) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.44 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Gaming OC 11G  Video Card  ($683.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Case: Cooler Master - MasterCase 5 ATX Mid Tower Case  ($77.98 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($79.49 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $1682.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-03 13:09 EDT-0400

 

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, Coaxialgamer said:

OP can actually squeeze in a 1080 ti by giving up the 3400mhz ram ( which probably won't run on ryzen tbh ) and getting a different cooler .

It's a rendering workstation, so a 1080 Ti won't really help, faster RAM will definitely help though. And 3400MHz is possible with Ryzen, because Trident Zs use Samsung B-dies

[Coaxialgamer]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

It's a rendering workstation, so a 1080 Ti won't really help, faster RAM will definitely help though. And 3400MHz is possible with Ryzen, because Trident Zs use Samsung B-dies

If he uses CUDa , it might .

 

I just don't think that extra 400mhz is worth the 40$ tbh . Most of the improvement is from 2133 to 2933 . After that it's really diminishing returns .

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, Coaxialgamer said:

If he uses CUDa , it might .

5s at most

1 minute ago, Coaxialgamer said:

I just don't think that extra 400mhz is worth the 40$ tbh . Most of the improvement is from 2133 to 2933 . After that it's really diminishing returns .

It is because you can be 100% sure that you will get 3200-3400MHz, because Trident Zs use Samsung B-dies. If the kit you linked doesn't use Samsung B-dies, 3000MHz is probably not possible

[Andrea_Duina]

Thanks to everyone, I hadn't really considered Ryzen an option before this post, but now I think I'll get it

[Andrea_Duina]

On ‎6‎/‎3‎/‎2017 at 4:59 PM, PCGuy_5960 said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($299.89 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X62 Liquid CPU Cooler  ($158.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: MSI - X370 SLI PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($122.89 @ OutletPC) 
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3400 Memory  ($154.89 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Samsung - 850 Pro Series 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($257.88 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.44 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card  ($498.68 @ Amazon) 
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.99 @ B&H) 
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($79.49 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $1691.14
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-03 10:59 EDT-0400

I don't know if there is still someone here, but I think I'll take Ryzen 1700x, to have a bit more power and 16GB ddr4 3600, but I saw that the motherboard in the simulation by @PCGuy_5960 doesn't support ddr4 3600 and it says that there might be some incompatibilities with the cooler, here is my simulation, how ca in solve my problems?

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZRHjkT
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZRHjkT/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 1700X 3.4GHz 8-Core Processor  ($349.89 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: NZXT - Kraken X62 Liquid CPU Cooler  ($158.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI - X370 SLI PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($122.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3600 Memory  ($195.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 850 Pro Series 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($257.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.44 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce GTX 1080 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card  ($498.68 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT - S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($69.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($79.49 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1782.24
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-06-05 11:52 EDT-040

 

 

EDIT: I forgot to say that I want overclock

Do you think that replacing the SSD with a M2 would be good idea?

 

 

[PCGuy_5960]

25 minutes ago, Andrea_Duina said:

how ca in solve my problems?

If the Kraken X62 doesn't come with an AM4 bracket, you should just contact NZXT and they will send you an AM4 bracket

26 minutes ago, Andrea_Duina said:

I don't know if there is still someone here, but I think I'll take Ryzen 1700x, to have a bit more power and 16GB ddr4 3600

If you want to overclock, the 1700 is a better choice as it is cheaper and you can overclock it to 3.8-4GHz  If you don't want to overclock, get the 1700X because it is clocked higher out of the box

[Andrea_Duina]

1 minute ago, PCGuy_5960 said:

If the Kraken X62 doesn't come with an AM4 bracket, you should just contact NZXT and they will send you an AM4 bracket

If you want to overclock, the 1700 is a better choice as it is cheaper and you can overclock it to 3.8-4GHz  If you don't want to overclock, get the 1700X because it is clocked higher out of the box

But, wouldn't be better to overclock a cpu with higher base speed?

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, Andrea_Duina said:

But, wouldn't be better to overclock a cpu with higher base speed?

Nah, the 1700 can be overclocked to the same speeds as even the 1800X  If you do want to spend a bit more, the 1700X will overclock slightly better, because it is better binned 

[Andrea_Duina]

Just now, PCGuy_5960 said:

Nah, the 1700 can be overclocked to the same speeds as even the 1800X  If you do want to spend a bit more, the 1700X will overclock slightly better, because it is better binned 

Oh, perfect, thanks, again!

Do you know anything about the motherboard which doesn't support ddr4 3600?

Because I read somewhere that the ryzen performance increases with faster ram

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, Andrea_Duina said:

Oh, perfect, thanks, again!

Do you know anything about the motherboard which doesn't support ddr4 3600?

Because I read somewhere that the ryzen performance increases with faster ram

Indeed it does... If you can spend a bit more to get the ASUS Crosshair 6 or the AsRock X370 Taichi, you can be 100% sure that you will get 3400-3600MHz

[Andrea_Duina]

Thank you so much,

forgive me if I ask you so much things, but I actually don't know anything about hardware

[PCGuy_5960]

Just now, Andrea_Duina said:

Thank you so much,

forgive me if I ask you so much things, but I actually don't know anything about hardware

No worries bud. You're welcome!