Am I going insane ?

[XenosTech]

So I'm playing bf1 and this guys hits the chat with "I'm playing bf1 with an i5 and a 1080 and he's getting constant dropped frames. what should he do ?"

So because I told the guy to get upgrade his cpu apparently the chat goes wild and calls me retarded and saying the 1080 is holding back the i5... What ??

[Billy_Mays]

Your not he is a less informative person so tell him no matter what get a i7 or better and close all of the background apps and see how much ram he has because BF1 is a ram hog

[ARikozuM]

It depends. I've rarely seen my i5 hitting 100% on BF1 without my 1080 being at 100%. I would dig deeper to find what the rest of his hardware is. Taking the bottleneck route is far too easy and unhelpful in my opinion. 

[WereCat]

Yeah. Giving tech advice in game with 63 other people that like to often visit your mum is the first sign of tech addiction.

You should definitely discuss this with your operator.

[SorcierX]

1.) depends what the i5 is

2.) ram matters for BF1

3.) SSD or nah?

[XenosTech]

5 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

It depends. I've rarely seen my i5 hitting 100% on BF1 without my 1080 being at 100%. I would dig deeper to find what the rest of his hardware is. Taking the bottleneck route is far too easy and unhelpful in my opinion. 

if you can splash out for a 1080 you shouldn't be buying an i5 to play bf1... It has been noted that i5's have bad frame times in bf1... Even now with my 1070 is get frame dips while playing that online

 

3 minutes ago, WereCat said:

Yeah. Giving tech advice in game with 63 other people that like to often visit your mum is the first sign of tech addiction.

You should definitely discuss this with your operator.

He asked a question and got a sensible answer. My answer made more sense than people telling him that he should spend more money buying a 1080 TI

[ARikozuM]

1 minute ago, XenosTech said:

if you can splash out for a 1080 you shouldn't be buying an i5 to play bf1... It has been noted that i5's have bad frame times in bf1... Even now with my 1070 is get frame dips while playing that online

I don't suffer any frame-time issues. Texture pop-in, RAM bandwidth, and background programs can all cause a similar effect.

[WereCat]

1 minute ago, XenosTech said:

if you can splash out for a 1080 you shouldn't be buying an i5 to play bf1... It has been noted that i5's have bad frame times in bf1... Even now with my 1070 is get frame dips while playing that online

 

He asked a question and got a sensible answer. My answer made more sense than people telling him that he should spend more money buying a 1080 TI

Damn it!

Looks like you're already in the 2nd stage! You should rush to the Amazon immediately!

 

You gave him good advice, you're not insane but you are taking it way too personally.

[XenosTech]

Just now, ARikozuM said:

I don't suffer any frame-time issues. Texture pop-in, RAM bandwidth, and background programs can all cause a similar effect.

I noticed it when I went from a rx 470 to this 1070... I don't get nearly as high frames with the 1070 and my frame drops pretty hard when I wander into a ton of explosions and fire

[XenosTech]

6 minutes ago, SorcierX said:

1.) depends what the i5 is

2.) ram matters for BF1

3.) SSD or nah?

6600k and more threads matter to bf1 also, ssd won't make much of a difference to the fps (I've played bf1 from my ssd and my 3 TB HDD) I got faster load times but no boost to the fps

[ARikozuM]

6 minutes ago, XenosTech said:

I noticed it when I went from a rx 470 to this 1070... I don't get nearly as high frames with the 1070 and my frame drops pretty hard when I wander into a ton of explosions and fire

DX12 or DX11. I'm using DX11 since it's the more stable for my 4690K. 

[WereCat]

1 minute ago, XenosTech said:

6600k and more threads matter to bf1 also, ssd won't make much of a difference to the fps (I've played bf1 from my ssd and my 3 TB HDD) I got faster load times but no boost to the fps

Look, there may be different causes to his issue.

I also had terrible stutter in BF1 which I resolved by disabling GameDVR and GameBar in Windows 10

[Morgan MLGman]

5 minutes ago, XenosTech said:

6600k and more threads matter to bf1 also, ssd won't make much of a difference to the fps (I've played bf1 from my ssd and my 3 TB HDD) I got faster load times but no boost to the fps

I agree that it's most likely a CPU-related bottleneck. Overclocking RAM would help in that scenario, if a CPU upgrade is out of the question of course.

 

Though what's more important, have you asked about his resolution? If he's playing at 4K for instance, I doubt that there is any chance of a CPU bottleneck with a GTX 1080 so the issue lies somewhere else.

[XenosTech]

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

DX12 or DX11. I'm using DX11 since it's the more stable for my 4690K. 

DX 12 for the 470 and DX11 now that is have the 1070.

 

2 minutes ago, WereCat said:

Look, there may be different causes to his issue.

I also had terrible stutter in BF1 which I resolved by disabling GameDVR and GameBar in Windows 10

well iirc he said his cpu is at 100% and gpu is at 100% but he gets a lot of stuttering. I really didn't dive too much into his entire system specs since I wasn't trying not to die.

2 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

I agree that it's most likely a CPU-related bottleneck. Overclocking RAM would help in that scenario, if a CPU upgrade is out of the question.

 

Though what's more important, have you asked about his resolution? If he's playing at 4K for instance, I doubt that there is any chance of a CPU bottleneck with a GTX 1080 so the issue lies somewhere else.

I should have asked that or he probably said it but I stopped paying attention to the chat when people started saying the 1080 was holding back  the i5.

[kb5zue]

Tell him to join Linus Tech Tips forums, he just might learn something.

 

[XenosTech]

6 minutes ago, kb5zue said:

Tell him to join Linus Tech Tips forums, he just might learn something.

 

I should have told the other players there to join LTT... He somewhat understood what I was telling him.

[Delicieuxz]

1 hour ago, ARikozuM said:

It depends. I've rarely seen my i5 hitting 100% on BF1 without my 1080 being at 100%. I would dig deeper to find what the rest of his hardware is. Taking the bottleneck route is far too easy and unhelpful in my opinion. 

What resolution do you play at? With my former 2500K @ 4.6 Ghz, I think I was hitting max CPU usage in some places in Bf1 while playing at 1920x1200, probably all settings maxed. With my 2600K @ 4.6 Ghz, playing at 1440p, I think the CPU load has been reduced quite a bit. But I haven't loaded the game up in a long time, and I don't know what % of utilization it actually has, now.

[leelaa14]

I had a i5 4690k which was bottlenecking my 1080 at 1440p. The guy is in denial. 

[Lt.Speirs]

If he's at 1080p then he's likely hitting a CPU bottleneck. With that said: the misinformation on here is astounding. You'd think by now people would understand. The word "bottleneck" gets tossed around too loosely nowadays. It doesn't matter if it's on here, reddit or other forums. Honestly, how can anyone possibly think that any relevant i5 (K) processor would bottleneck a 1080/1080ti? Cpu architecture hasn't changed much over the last 5 years. The main advancements have been in integrated graphics which literally means nothing if you're a gamer.

• General rule of thumb for certain games that are poorly optimized, the higher your resolution - the less likely your cpu will be your "bottleneck".

And before you ask: lower resolutions are easy for graphics cards, so the limiting factor is how fast your CPU can calculate data. Higher resolutions stress the graphics card so the CPU isn't the limiting factor..

[Underi]

It's funny how I could run BF1 on Ultra with 64 players on the server. But now that I went to play operations, I got HORRIBLE FPS DROPS. I was like holy shit is my PC exploding. I even lowered render scale to 75% and it helped only a little. Weird game, that one.

[XenosTech]

8 hours ago, Underi said:

It's funny how I could run BF1 on Ultra with 64 players on the server. But now that I went to play operations, I got HORRIBLE FPS DROPS. I was like holy shit is my PC exploding. I even lowered render scale to 75% and it helped only a little. Weird game, that one.

It's one of the few dx 12 games that actually uses both the gpu and cpu

[ARikozuM]

8 hours ago, Underi said:

It's funny how I could run BF1 on Ultra with 64 players on the server. But now that I went to play operations, I got HORRIBLE FPS DROPS. I was like holy shit is my PC exploding. I even lowered render scale to 75% and it helped only a little. Weird game, that one.

EA is known to destroy then fix games with patches.