Need Ryzen 5 1500X Overclocking Advice

[Jumper118]

3 minutes ago, Mike Soda said:

Just did, it's showing the same thing as MSI themed variant.

ok it is not setting properly in the bios then. 

[Mike Soda]

Just now, Jumper118 said:

ok it is not setting properly in the bios then. 

Alright should I try resetting it all & then re-run Cinebench to see if I can get a more normal score? If it still sucks then clear CMOS?

[Jumper118]

6 minutes ago, Mike Soda said:

Alright should I try resetting it all & then re-run Cinebench to see if I can get a more normal score? If it still sucks then clear CMOS?

no you dont need to clear the cmos unless it wont actually boot up. try just setting evening at stock, but using manual settings. 

[Mike Soda]

24 minutes ago, Jumper118 said:

no you dont need to clear the cmos unless it wont actually boot up. try just setting evening at stock, but using manual settings. 

Well I put all the CPU values back to what they were but left RAM settings the same except enabled A-XMP along with the frequency & voltage you specified. My CInebench score went up to a 793 from the first original 783. Now when I move my mouse around while having CPU-Z open it periodically jumps up to 3.599.2MHz. I'm going to give Ryzen Master a try anyway since it seems my current BIOS is just as bad if not maybe worse. Actually real quick I'm going to retry all your settings but with A-XMP enabled also will try a separate instance with Game boost mode or whatever turned on. Prior I just had A-XMP off but manually set frequency, I'm not sure if that makes a difference, what're your thoughts on all this?

[Mike Soda]

1 hour ago, Jumper118 said:

no you dont need to clear the cmos unless it wont actually boot up. try just setting evening at stock, but using manual settings. 

I think I figured out what was wrong, I reapplied all your settings but with one exception that was actually something I did. Within my BIOS there's 2 different ways to configure OC mode "Expert" & "Normal". Since I changed it to normal & did what ya said in the beginning it's been running fine, 818 Cinebench score. I even managed the 3.7GHz without your Voltage modifications. Although real fast there's still something I need to know getting back to page one. What particular Benchmark within Aida64 do I run? There's a few in the Trial of Extreme & only 30 days to get my use out of them .

[Mike Soda]

Never mind it's just an issue with BIOS, will summarize results elsewhere, thanks for all the help though.

[Jumper118]

7 hours ago, Mike Soda said:

I think I figured out what was wrong, I reapplied all your settings but with one exception that was actually something I did. Within my BIOS there's 2 different ways to configure OC mode "Expert" & "Normal". Since I changed it to normal & did what ya said in the beginning it's been running fine, 818 Cinebench score. I even managed the 3.7GHz without your Voltage modifications. Although real fast there's still something I need to know getting back to page one. What particular Benchmark within Aida64 do I run? There's a few in the Trial of Extreme & only 30 days to get my use out of them .

i am getting 950 in cinebench at 4ghz  

[Mike Soda]

47 minutes ago, Jumper118 said:

i am getting 950 in cinebench at 4ghz  

Nice, hopefully I will eventually too if MSI ever resolves this. I'll probably hit thermal issues soon, I've managed to hit 3875Mhz @ 1.350V being initially stable in Cinebench, have yet to try Aida64 for a prolonged time though. Temps what briefly I saw of them were hitting 60C (including minus the 20 difference) while under full load. I'm just wondering if I should keep it clocked that high because Cinebench immediately crashed upon trying to run 3900Mhz at that same voltage. Going above that voltage results in those weird, partially applied OC's that had 200 scores.

[Jumper118]

3 hours ago, Mike Soda said:

Nice, hopefully I will eventually too if MSI ever resolves this. I'll probably hit thermal issues soon, I've managed to hit 3875Mhz @ 1.350V being initially stable in Cinebench, have yet to try Aida64 for a prolonged time though. Temps what briefly I saw of them were hitting 60C (including minus the 20 difference) while under full load. I'm just wondering if I should keep it clocked that high because Cinebench immediately crashed upon trying to run 3900Mhz at that same voltage. Going above that voltage results in those weird, partially applied OC's that had 200 scores.

Yes it sounds like 3.875ghz is ok then, you can leave it at that for now

[Mike Soda]

6 hours ago, Jumper118 said:

Yes it sounds like 3.875ghz is ok then, you can leave it at that for now

Thank you, I'll run Aida for 16 hours tomorrow at that frequency & voltage & let ya know how it goes.

[Mike Soda]

7 hours ago, Jumper118 said:

Yes it sounds like 3.875ghz is ok then, you can leave it at that for now

Okay so I guess even though it was working fine last night it's doing the same thing again now. Saying cores are clocked at 1.5ghz something, going to check what went wrong in BIOS again...

[Tech Wizard]

37 minutes ago, Mike Soda said:

Okay so I guess even though it was working fine last night it's doing the same thing again now. Saying cores are clocked at 1.5ghz something, going to check what went wrong in BIOS again...

Have you set High Performance in Windows Power Savings? Having selected high performance will have all cores set to their maximum clocks (as the user entered in bios). Let's say you overclocked all cores to 3,9, and select high performance in power options, all cores will run 3,9GHz 24/7, even during idle.

 

If you have balanced or power saver plan enabled, your cores will downclock themselves during low workloads (even though you set all cores to 3,9 in bios).

[Mike Soda]

8 hours ago, Tech Wizard said:

Have you set High Performance in Windows Power Savings? Having selected high performance will have all cores set to their maximum clocks (as the user entered in bios). Let's say you overclocked all cores to 3,9, and select high performance in power options, all cores will run 3,9GHz 24/7, even during idle.

 

If you have balanced or power saver plan enabled, your cores will downclock themselves during low workloads (even though you set all cores to 3,9 in bios).

It's on Balanced I think but downclocking during low workloads isn't my issue so let me try briefly re-explaining. If I set my CPU Core Voltage to anything but Auto or 1.350V upon saving & restarting it shows up as a successful OC & voltage change in the BIOS. Task Manager & Cinebench claim it worked too however when I run a Cinebench score it drops from 800's to 200's. Thus proving that the 1.5Ghz fixed clock speed HWMonitor & CPU-Z report to be probably true. In addition this morning I discovered that if I power down the PC entirely over night. Even the 3.8-3.875GHz OC I was able to achieve on 1.350V glitches gives me the same 1.5GHz as before. The only way I can fix this is by setting voltage & clock speed to auto, saving rebooting then re-applying it once again. I'll try what you said in a little bit anyway but it don't work, it is an issue with my BIOS & not the board or CPU itself right?

[Mike Soda]

10 hours ago, Tech Wizard said:

Have you set High Performance in Windows Power Savings? Having selected high performance will have all cores set to their maximum clocks (as the user entered in bios). Let's say you overclocked all cores to 3,9, and select high performance in power options, all cores will run 3,9GHz 24/7, even during idle.

 

If you have balanced or power saver plan enabled, your cores will downclock themselves during low workloads (even though you set all cores to 3,9 in bios).

As I thought changing the power plan to high performance did nothing for the bug. Although now while I have all CPU settings in BIOS set at Auto, my idle clock speeds are higher. I guess that's a good thing as I'd think that'd result in less stutters from it trying to play catch up if I go from inactive to very active. Besides my other question in the post above this one. Why do people hate Ryzen Master? If I experience a crash will it try to re-apply the unstable OC after reboot anyway? How does it handle that & how do I recover from it?

[Ally-C]

I have the same problem. ;( 

What is the easiest and least confusing way to fix it . 

Can I get away with not updating bios