4k Gaming Build

[cowpker4life]

1 hour ago, AmazingScottyBrothers said:

Hello guys,

my brother and I are planning to build a new computer, which mainly needs to serve as a workhorse (I'm a teacher) with Ubuntu, but I also want to play modern AAA titles in 4k (and the ones to come for some years) on Windows. So I guess nearly any build would do with the first requirement, but not so many with the second one (esp. since I also need to buy a 4k monitor later on). We live in Germany, so my limit is 1500€ (1650 US $). We are only occasionally into building a PC (every few years or so), which means that we do need some advice to see if we forgot to consider something or if there is a better alternative within the same price range.  So this is what we thought of:

 

• case: Phanteks Enthoo EVOLV micro-ATX - white
• mainboard: ASRock Z270M Extreme4
• CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K
• CPU cooler: Corsair Hydro H90
• graphics card: Inno3D GeForce GTX 1080 Founders Edition
• RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 3200Mhz
• power supply: be quiet! Dark Power Pro 10 80Plus Platinum 850Watts
• fan: be quiet! Silent Wings 3 PWM 140mm 15db

With this build the price is currently at 1550€, so already over the limit ;-)

 

Storage will stay on my two current SSDs for now:  

• Ubuntu for working: Samsung MZ-75E500B/EU EVO 850 interne SSD 500GB (6,4 cm (2,5 Zoll), SATA III) 
• Windows 10 for gaming: Crucial CT250BX100SSD1 interne SSD 250 GB (6,4 cm (2,5 Zoll) 7mm, SATA III)  for

 

Any help or suggestions will be highly appreciated! Thank you very much!

The AmazingScottyBrothers

I would think abut dropping the i7 for a i5-7600k and get a non reference design graphics card. If you can I would try for a 1080ti as it is about 20-30% more profmace in a lot of cases. Because higher resolution the more is put onot the gpu making the differencein a i7 and i5 much smaller as we saw when the i7 7700k was facing ryzens 1800x in 4k they had a frame or two differeance most the time but at 1080p it was a much different story. I havnt not used anything new for cpu's or gpu's so don't quote me on this but I think a i5 7600k with a 1080ti would give better profmace then a i7 7700k with a 1080. Or even a ryzen r5 at that point as r5s and i5s are very close and depends on the game for what one is better

[AmazingScottyBrothers]

Okay, so for GPU I go for the 1080 TI.

[cowpker4life]

1 hour ago, AmazingScottyBrothers said:

okay, this is surprising to me so:

 

for the processor rather AMD Ryzen 5 1600x Prozessor (300€) or AMD Ryzen 5 1600 Prozessor (220€)? Are the 80€ really worth it?

No. There is a YouTube video on hardware unbox that shows if over clocked to the same ghz it's not worth It.

Just make sure to get a decant mobo that can do some good overclocking and the faster the ram the better for ryzen.

[AmazingScottyBrothers]

15 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

@DocSwag The R5 1600 he recommended is an awesome processor, but on that kind of budget I wouldn't go any less than i7 when it's for gaming and you're not doing anything on it that benefits from those two extra physical cores on the R5 1600.

@SteveGrabowski0 I'm not that much into technical stuff like that, but what would be an example of something that benefits from the two extra physical cores?

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2 hours ago, AmazingScottyBrothers said:

@SteveGrabowski0 I'm not that much into technical stuff like that, but what would be an example of something that benefits from the two extra physical cores?

Some games do benefit from extra cpu cores. A Ryzen 6/8 core build will last longer than an i7. As stated earlier the difference at 4k resolution is virtually nothing as the gpu is the bottleneck.

[SteveGrabowski0]

3 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

Some games do benefit from extra cpu cores. A Ryzen 6/8 core build will last longer than an i7. As stated earlier the difference at 4k resolution is virtually nothing as the gpu is the bottleneck.

Do you have any examples of games that run better on an Ryzen 5 cpu than a quadcore i7?

[SteveGrabowski0]

2 hours ago, AmazingScottyBrothers said:

@SteveGrabowski0 I'm not that much into technical stuff like that, but what would be an example of something that benefits from the two extra physical cores?

Check this video from a great benchmarking site to get an idea how the Ryzen 5 cpus stack up and where they're strong.

 

[SteveGrabowski0]

3 hours ago, DocSwag said:

The debate is mainly upgrade path vs better performance (with 1600 on the former and i7 on the latter).

 

Note though that with a 1080 ti at 4k you won't notice a difference, you'd have to wait for a GPU upgrade before you will notice a difference.

I'm not sure either really has much of an upgrade path. Upgrade path only seems like a thing to care about if you have to say buy a cheap Pentium right now because you can't squeeze a $200 i5/Ryzen 5 level cpu into your budget at the moment. But if you're buying Ryzen 5/Ryzen 7/i5/i7 at the start to game at 60 fps I think you're pretty unlikely to want to do a cpu upgrade at any time in the next 3-4 years unless you're the kind of person who needs to constantly be getting new hardware. In 3-4 years you'll probably need an AM4+ board for the new AMD cpus.

 

I don't expect even an octacore Ryzen 7 cpu to be any better than a quadcore i7 in gaming until say 2021. I'd be very surprised to see a PS5 or new XBox before 2020 considering Sony just released PS4 Pro and Microsoft is only 5 months or so from releasing Scorpio. Releasing too many new consoles is what killed Sega off almost 20 years ago when they pissed devs off by introducing Sega CD then jumping to 32X then to Saturn then to Dreamcast. I don't think Sony nor Microsoft want to make that same mistake. And until those PS4/XBox One consoles are replaced they're going to be the lowest common denominator that game programmers target their games to. Since those consoles have complete garbage Jaguar cores with really low clockspeeds and terrible IPC I don't think you're going to see any AAA games for a while that are going to make any use of Ryzen 7's eight physical cores above what can be simulated by hyperthreading on Intel's quadcore i7s. I don't see that changing until 2021: egg, adding a one year time delay for devs to start optimizing towards the new consoles probably coming out around 2020. 

 

Short of Star Citizen, I can't think of any game that's going to be targeting high end pc.

[DocSwag]

25 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

I'm not sure either really has much of an upgrade path. Upgrade path only seems like a thing to care about if you have to say buy a cheap Pentium right now because you can't squeeze a $200 i5/Ryzen 5 level cpu into your budget at the moment. But if you're buying Ryzen 5/Ryzen 7/i5/i7 at the start to game at 60 fps I think you're pretty unlikely to want to do a cpu upgrade at any time in the next 3-4 years unless you're the kind of person who needs to constantly be getting new hardware. In 3-4 years you'll probably need an AM4+ board for the new AMD cpus.

 

I don't expect even an octacore Ryzen 7 cpu to be any better than a quadcore i7 in gaming until say 2021. I'd be very surprised to see a PS5 or new XBox before 2020 considering Sony just released PS4 Pro and Microsoft is only 5 months or so from releasing Scorpio. Releasing too many new consoles is what killed Sega off almost 20 years ago when they pissed devs off by introducing Sega CD then jumping to 32X then to Saturn then to Dreamcast. I don't think Sony nor Microsoft want to make that same mistake. And until those PS4/XBox One consoles are replaced they're going to be the lowest common denominator that game programmers target their games to. Since those consoles have complete garbage Jaguar cores with really low clockspeeds and terrible IPC I don't think you're going to see any AAA games for a while that are going to make any use of Ryzen 7's eight physical cores above what can be simulated by hyperthreading on Intel's quadcore i7s. I don't see that changing until 2021: egg, adding a one year time delay for devs to start optimizing towards the new consoles probably coming out around 2020. 

 

Short of Star Citizen, I can't think of any game that's going to be targeting high end pc.

Eh, I'd disagree. I think we'll probably start seeing new titles utilize 8 cores well in 2019 or so with nearly all games going well with octa cores in 2020.

 

Also, it could end up like AM3 and AM3+, AM3+ was released but fx CPUs were compatible with AM3.

 

Also, the future increased IPC is another thing you have to consider, as well as the potentially higher clock speeds (glofo plans for 7nm in 2018 which means we could see Ryzen CPUs on 7nm in early to mid 2019, which could mean a lot).

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47 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

Do you have any examples of games that run better on an Ryzen 5 cpu than a quadcore i7?

Not off the top of my head. If I was going to 'guess' I would say that Simulation type games (Flight sims and the like) would benefit from it.  

 

Even if 90% don't make use of it, I would still go with a Ryzen cpu for 4K gaming. The fps difference is going to be pretty tiny at this res.

[AmazingScottyBrothers]

Thank you very much already, but I am not familiar at all with overclocking. That means that I don't know how to do it or what I have to pay attention to. So I don't want to burn like 800€ of components to ashes ;-) So maybe an option without overclocking would be better for me.