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Next Gen VR?

BuckGup
By BuckGup
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Where is it? It has been over a year since Vive and Oculus released there consumer HMDs. I'm glad to see new add ons from various companies like wireless adapters, gloves, those tracker pucks, and other stuff but Vive and Oculus are the only ones out there offering full movement support. There are other companies but they offer less superior products or are only meant to be played sitting. I know there are 4K 120hz monitors coming soon and even 8K so when do we think other companies or a Vive/Oculus 2.0 will come out?

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Probably won't be for a while, vive and oculus adoption was relatively low, it will take some time for the technology to become affordable and widespread. 

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I'd estimate two more years before they update to brand new HMD's. Adoption has been strong enough that it may become viable, but there is a lot that both Oculus and HTC can do to the existing software and layers to make them better. 

 

I also don't think that this one year would have given them enough data logs, crash reports, troubleshooting information, and hardware surveys to allow a valuable upgrade or revision. 

 

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PlayStation dabbled in VR as well but in my personal opinion I believe that VR hasn't hit the main stream quite yet due to the reidiculous amounts of money it takes to be able to use them. Upgrading hardware and buying the VR Sets are very expensive. So even though it's a good idea the price it to high for everyone to buy into it. Making the companies suffer. Which is the impression I always get when LTT talks about VR. 

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4 hours ago, App4that said:

Run the Superposition VR benchmark at the Future VR setting. Cry, as it's only just over 1440 and you'll fail. Realize UHD VR is years away. 

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PlayStation dabbled in VR as well but in my personal opinion I believe that VR hasn't hit the main stream quite yet due to the reidiculous amounts of money it takes to be able to use them. Upgrading hardware and buying the VR Sets are very expensive. So even though it's a good idea the price it to high for everyone to buy into it. Making the companies suffer. Which is the impression I always get when LTT talks about VR. 

 

LTT is ignorant about VR, I mean Linus was still saying the Oculus Rift cost $800 on a recent WAN show. (it's $499/598)

 

But yeah it needs to get cheaper. That's likely why there aren't more high-quality VR headsets out there.

 

LG is working on a SteamVR headset with some modest improvements over the HTC Vive, but I don't think it'll hit this year (maybe about a year from now).

 

And then there are the Microsoft partnered headsets, which will hit different price points, the cheapest being $299. But how good they're going to be is another question. The $299 version in particular could be pretty weak.

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Run the Superposition VR benchmark at the Future VR setting. Cry, as it's only just over 1440 and you'll fail. Realize UHD VR is years away. 

Nah a 1080ti can play some AAA games at 4K 60FPS and basically all VR games so far don't have the same kind of graphic fidelity as AAA titles. I think with the current selection of game 4K could be easily achieved on a 1070  or 980ti.

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5 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

 

LTT is ignorant about VR, I mean Linus was still saying the Oculus Rift cost $800 on a recent WAN show. (it's $499/598)

 

But yeah it needs to get cheaper. That's likely why there aren't more high-quality VR headsets out there.

 

LG is working on a SteamVR headset with some modest improvements over the HTC Vive, but I don't think it'll hit this year (maybe about a year from now).

 

And then there are the Microsoft partnered headsets, which will hit different price points, the cheapest being $299. But how good they're going to be is another question. The $299 version in particular could be pretty weak.

I don't really care about the price personally but I can see why it is justified.

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Just now, SamStrecker said:

Nah a 1080ti can play some AAA games at 4K 60FPS and basically all VR games so far don't have the same kind of graphic fidelity as AAA titles. I think with the current selection of game 4K could be easily achieved on a 1070  or 980ti.

The problem is the visual design of the game. Your GPU has to create two different views and bring them together cohesively.

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Just now, ARikozuM said:

The problem is the visual design of the game. Your GPU has to create two different views and bring them together cohesively.

Couldn't you just render a square and only use what each eye sees. So you only have to render something once? Also didn't think about that.

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1 minute ago, SamStrecker said:

Couldn't you just render a square and only use what each eye sees. So you only have to render something once? Also didn't think about that.

That's not how eyes work... You have your right eye receiving most of your left vision and the left eye receiving the right vision. Then the images have to be "stitched" (don't know what the technical term would be) together to produce a depth of field that feels natural to the user once IPD has been calibrated. 

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Couldn't you just render a square and only use what each eye sees. So you only have to render something once? Also didn't think about that.

Each eye is in a different position, so they have to see different images. In addition, the GPU has to render the image in a distorted way, so that when it goes through the lenses it gets distorted in the opposite direction and turns into the correct image. That makes it necessary to render at a somewhat different, higher resolution to work properly.

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That's not how eyes work... You have your right eye receiving most of your left vision and the left eye receiving the right vision. Then the images have to be "stitched" (don't know what the technical term would be) together to produce a depth of field that feels natural to the user once IPD has been calibrated. 

I know I was saying since they share it doesn't make sense to render something twice

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Just now, Sakkura said:

Each eye is in a different position, so they have to see different images. In addition, the GPU has to render the image in a distorted way, so that when it goes through the lenses it gets distorted in the opposite direction and turns into the correct image. That makes it necessary to render at a somewhat different, higher resolution to work properly.

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13 minutes ago, SamStrecker said:

Nah a 1080ti can play some AAA games at 4K 60FPS and basically all VR games so far don't have the same kind of graphic fidelity as AAA titles. I think with the current selection of game 4K could be easily achieved on a 1070  or 980ti.

Nope, own a headset and you'll see you cannot equate a monitor to VR. My 980ti beats some 1080 in Superposition, but fails the Furture VR test. I just pass the Max VR, which is 1080p. That's 1080p and all the candy though.

If anyone asks you never saw me.

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2 minutes ago, App4that said:

Nope, own a headset and you'll see you cannot equate a monitor to VR. My 980ti beats some 1080 in Superposition, but fails the Furture VR test. I just pass the Max VR, which is 1080p. That's 1080p and all the candy though.

I do own a Vive and I agree it is very different then a monitor,

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Just now, SamStrecker said:

I do own a Vive and I agree it is very different then a monitor,

Run Vorpex, if you can grab a free copy as it's not worth 40 bucks. Or use the advance settings mod to use supersampling. That way you can run the games at higher resolution. A 1080ti would have to have low settings for anything over 1440 and would buckle by the time you hit 4k. 

If anyone asks you never saw me.

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7 minutes ago, App4that said:

Run Vorpex, if you can grab a free copy as it's not worth 40 bucks. Or use the advance settings mod to use supersampling. That way you can run the games at higher resolution. A 1080ti would have to have low settings for anything over 1440 and would buckle by the time you hit 4k. 

Yeah I was going to play GTA V with it but apparently it makes you nauseous in almost every game. Luckily someone made a VR mod with proper head camera and movement support

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Hopefully Volta or Vega have better and more efficient solutions for VR like SMP from Nvidia or AMD equivalent that is only available on the Rift.

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Just now, ARikozuM said:

Hopefully Volta or Vega have better and more efficient solutions for VR like SMP from Nvidia or AMD equivalent that is only available on the Rift.

Considering Pascal=Maxwell I am pretty sure they will address some issues, hopefully. Plus HBM2 is a thing

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Just now, SamStrecker said:

Yeah I was going to play GTA V with it but apparently it makes you nauseous in almost every game. Luckily someone made a VR mod with proper head camera and movement support

I tried Fallout 4, Skyrim, then GTA V. Other than seeing how your system can handle higher resolution, total waste of money.

 

Do the advanced settings mod though, if you can handle the supersampling it's awesome. 

If anyone asks you never saw me.

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36 minutes ago, Sakkura said:

LTT is ignorant about VR, I mean Linus was still saying the Oculus Rift cost $800 on a recent WAN show. (it's $499/598)

Umm... Keep in mind that Linus lives in Canada.

Sooooo

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Sure that's with the Touch controller, but still over $800.

 

And lets not even mention the Vive
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With prices like these, it's no wonder VR isn't "taking off".

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Just now, TetraSky said:

Umm... Keep in mind that Linus lives in Canada.

Sooooo

 

Lets not even mention the Vive
 

 

With prices like these, it's no wonder VR isn't "taking off".

I would actually say the opposite. I am very surprised how many people have them at such a steep price and computer requirements.

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