My First Computer Build...

[Cunning Death]

Appreciate all that helped in last post.

Purpose: Gaming,  Content Creation(Streaming, editing videos and Rendering), Animations (Photoshop, Blender, Maya, Zbrush)

Price range: I would like to cap at $1000 - 1700 ish.

From Puerto RIco, Ordering from Amazon USA.

Still looking for monitors because I have no idea what to get.

 

My Build:https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jRr3M8

Questions: I  keep getting mix answers.

1) EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW or WTF2? is there a point or difference. 

 

Ty to everyone that helped me in this community. It has been infinitly more helpfull then reddit. 

[Albert1998]

Should be fine.

[grimreeper132]

If your overclocking get the 1700 non X overclock nearly the same if you not, do, and if your still not the 1700X is better, yes.

 

Special RAM, probably not, but it won't hurt to do so, mind you get the highest RAM speed you can and configure the RAM to the higher speed as that is actually verry important for the AMD Ryzen chips as that affects their performance a lot. 

 

what  resolution of a monitor you wanting 1440p or 4K, (high resolution screen will be better for video editing, 1440p screen with high refresh rate will be better for gaming)

[rn8686]

All good, no issues. 

[grimreeper132]

1 hour ago, rn8686 said:

All good, no issues. 

get the 1700  rather than the 1700X if OP is overclocking???they overclock practically the same, in many cases.

[ATFink]

Get the 1700 instead of the 1700X, delete either the the 960 EVO M.2 drive or the 850 EVO SSD, and use the cost savings to get a GTX 1080 + save money.

[Droidbot]

6 minutes ago, grimreeper132 said:

get the 1700  rather than the 1700X if OP is overclocking???they overclock practically the same, in many cases.

this.

 

OP, get the 1700 and a better cooler to push the CPU further and you'll get better speed for the same

[Cunning Death]

3 hours ago, grimreeper132 said:

If your overclocking get the 1700 non X overclock nearly the same if you not, do, and if your still not the 1700X is better, yes.

 

Special RAM, probably not, but it won't hurt to do so, mind you get the highest RAM speed you can and configure the RAM to the higher speed as that is actually verry important for the AMD Ryzen chips as that affects their performance a lot. 

 

what  resolution of a monitor you wanting 1440p or 4K, (high resolution screen will be better for video editing, 1440p screen with high refresh rate will be better for gaming)

i think ill go for video editing and working on photoshop > gaming. So for 4K? OR ...OR i could just get 1 of each lol

[Cunning Death]

3 hours ago, ATFink said:

Get the 1700 instead of the 1700X, delete either the the 960 EVO M.2 drive or the 850 EVO SSD, and use the cost savings to get a GTX 1080 + save money.

does the M.2 have a better chance of getting damaged? because if so losing main storage will hurt. but i do agree with getting rid of one

[grimreeper132]

1 hour ago, Cunning Death said:

i think ill go for video editing and working on photoshop > gaming. So for 4K? OR ...OR i could just get 1 of each lol

lets go with one of each.

 

4K one (don't know monitors well but this looks like a good one, and it's reasonably priced compared with other 28" screens)

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Rk98TW/aoc-monitor-u2879vf

 

1440P one 144Hz which is more than high enough for most, if not all people

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/t4Crxr/acer-monitor-umhg0aa001

[ATFink]

23 minutes ago, Cunning Death said:

does the M.2 have a better chance of getting damaged? because if so losing main storage will hurt. but i do agree with getting rid of one

I don't know whether or not M.2 has a higher or lower likelihood of getting damaged... but this is my recomendation:

 

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($323.75 @ OutletPC) 
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($34.89 @ OutletPC) 
Thermal Compound: ARCTIC MX4 4g Thermal Paste  ($6.45 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard: MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($178.98 @ Directron) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($134.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($146.04 @ NCIX US) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC Black Edition Video Card  ($699.99 @ B&H) 
Case: NZXT S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($66.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($88.89 @ OutletPC) 
Case Fan: Corsair SP120 PWM High Performance Edition - Twin Pack 62.7 CFM  120mm Fan  ($28.88 @ OutletPC) 
UPS: CyberPower CP1500AVRLCD UPS  ($129.95 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1909.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

 

This option increases your graphics output by about 70% while increasing the build cost by only about 5.5%. Check this out:

 

I just noticed you said you were doing video editing, so maybe think about getting 32 GB of ram? That could be a later upgrade, but I've heard adobe premier loves to use all the ram it can find.

 

This build also happens to maintain the black build aesthetic .

Edited April 5, 2017 by ATFink
Provided a video for GPU comparision

[mariushm]

1700 is a 65w TDP part, running by default at lower clocks. 1700x is a 95w TDP part, which has higher minimum clocks (good for rendering as x264 and other video encoders are very good at using all cores, so in such situations the cpu will run closer to the default clocks and not boost as much)

1700x as far as I know also comes with a decent cooler, slightly better than the one used by the plain 1700.

 

I would actually argue that you may save some money by installing and using the stock cooler that comes in the package with the CPU especially if you're not going to be doing overclocking at the beginning. You can always buy thermal paste and that cooler later if you feel it's needed. Point is, those 40-50$ could be the difference between a very good 1080p or 1440p monitor and a very good 4K monitor

 

All DDR4 memories will work with AMD Ryzen, it's just that until some BIOS updates, it's not guaranteed you'd be able to reach the maximum speeds the memory sticks are advertised for.  Even with those Vengeance LPX sticks, you may find out you can only configure them as 2933 Mhz or even 2667 Mhz.

Some motherboards are better than others at maximum memory frequencies.

 

If the 250 GB m.2 SSD is for the operating system, you don't really need such a high performance one for the operating system and software.. it's not like reading files at 1GB/s would make a difference. A plain SATA drive would work just fine for the operating system and loading programs.

Even if you want to use m.2 ssd for the operating system, you could save some money by going for example with a WD Blue m.2 250 GB SSD at 90$ instead of 130$ - yeah it would work in sata mode, so you don't take advantage of the pci-e 3.0 x4 dedicated link and that would suck a bit, but that's 40$ you could move for example to upgrading the 2 TB drive to a 4 TB or higher classic drive of better quality (for example get a HGST NAS drive with 3+ years warranty)

 

The power supply is great, but somewhat too much. The gtx1700 uses maybe 150w, the cpu maybe another 100w and the rest of the components don't use more than 50w more.. so your system won't use more than 300w. A 550w or better power supply would be more than enough, even with overclocking.

You can save some money without losing quality by going for example with a semi-modular SeaSonic SSR-650RM 650w psu at 80$, 70$ after 10$ rebate (you have the atx cable and pci-e cable always connected, which you'd have anyway) .. so you'd basically save another 30-40$ you could use on the monitor or somewhere else.

 

It depend on your budget at the end though.

[ATFink]

2 minutes ago, mariushm said:

1700 is a 65w TDP part, running by default at lower clocks. 1700x is a 95w TDP part, which has higher minimum clocks (good for rendering as x264 and other video encoders are very good at using all cores, so in such situations the cpu will run closer to the default clocks and not boost as much)

1700x as far as I know also comes with a decent cooler, slightly better than the one used by the plain 1700.

 

I would actually argue that you may save some money by installing and using the stock cooler that comes in the package with the CPU especially if you're not going to be doing overclocking at the beginning. You can always buy thermal paste and that cooler later if you feel it's needed. Point is, those 40-50$ could be the difference between a very good 1080p or 1440p monitor and a very good 4K monitor

 

-snip-

I thought r7 1700 came with a stock CPU cooler (isn't it the spire?) and the X variant had a different slightly better cooler with an RGB LED until I saw these (potentially incorrect?) warnings.

 

[tom_w141]

15 minutes ago, mariushm said:

1700 is a 65w TDP part, running by default at lower clocks. 1700x is a 95w TDP part, which has higher minimum clocks (good for rendering as x264 and other video encoders are very good at using all cores, so in such situations the cpu will run closer to the default clocks and not boost as much)

1700x as far as I know also comes with a decent cooler, slightly better than the one used by the plain 1700.

 

I would actually argue that you may save some money by installing and using the stock cooler that comes in the package with the CPU especially if you're not going to be doing overclocking at the beginning. You can always buy thermal paste and that cooler later if you feel it's needed. Point is, those 40-50$ could be the difference between a very good 1080p or 1440p monitor and a very good 4K monitor

 

All DDR4 memories will work with AMD Ryzen, it's just that until some BIOS updates, it's not guaranteed you'd be able to reach the maximum speeds the memory sticks are advertised for.  Even with those Vengeance LPX sticks, you may find out you can only configure them as 2933 Mhz or even 2667 Mhz.

Some motherboards are better than others at maximum memory frequencies.

 

If the 250 GB m.2 SSD is for the operating system, you don't really need such a high performance one for the operating system and software.. it's not like reading files at 1GB/s would make a difference. A plain SATA drive would work just fine for the operating system and loading programs.

Even if you want to use m.2 ssd for the operating system, you could save some money by going for example with a WD Blue m.2 250 GB SSD at 90$ instead of 130$ - yeah it would work in sata mode, so you don't take advantage of the pci-e 3.0 x4 dedicated link and that would suck a bit, but that's 40$ you could move for example to upgrading the 2 TB drive to a 4 TB or higher classic drive of better quality (for example get a HGST NAS drive with 3+ years warranty)

 

The power supply is great, but somewhat too much. The gtx1700 uses maybe 150w, the cpu maybe another 100w and the rest of the components don't use more than 50w more.. so your system won't use more than 300w. A 550w or better power supply would be more than enough, even with overclocking.

You can save some money without losing quality by going for example with a semi-modular SeaSonic SSR-650RM 650w psu at 80$, 70$ after 10$ rebate (you have the atx cable and pci-e cable always connected, which you'd have anyway) .. so you'd basically save another 30-40$ you could use on the monitor or somewhere else.

 

It depend on your budget at the end though.

1. 1700 comes with the wraith spire RGB. 1700X and 1800X DO NOT come with any cooler. (at present)

2. 1700 is only described as 65W TDP at stock clocks, as soon as you overclock that goes out the window. All 3 chips are the same just at different stock clocks. You would expect the 1800X to have more overclocking head room, usually 4.1GHz, however my 1700 manages 4.0 just fine.

3. The wraith spire is a 95W rated cooler therefore it has some thermal headroom for mild overclocks. for example on the stock cooler I was comfortable at 3.8GHz on the stock cooler @ 1.29V.

 

@Cunning Death

 

http://rymem.vraith.com for ryzen memory compatibility search.

 

- Personally i'm using vengeance lpx 3000 @2977 (BCLK adjustment)

- Get the 1700 you can easily overclock it to stock 1700X or 1800X and beyond.

- Unless running 1080s or above in SLI then we aren't ready for 4k yet. IMO 1440p ultra settings is the sweetspot atm and can easily be achieved on a single card.

 

Source: I have a 1700 and my friend has 1800X they perform virtually the same, fair to say he feels rather stung but hey

 

 

[mariushm]

I guess the ones with the cooler are not yet available my bad.

 

Ryzen 1700x Wraith Max  ... part number YD170XBCAEMPK  (with Wraith Max cooler / max 140w TDP)

 

Ryzen 1700 w. Wraith Spire .. part number YD1700BBAEMPK (with Wraith Spire cooler / max 95 TDP)

 

A 32"-40" VA/IPS monitor would be great if you're going to edit 1080p content.  Lots of room for preview window, timeline etc  - i'd say save some money on SSDs and aim for bigger monitor, that's something you'd rarely upgrade while SSDs you can sell or upgrade more easily in the future.

Anything below 28" at 4k wouldn't be worth it.. i'd say go for 32" or higher.

[Cunning Death]

3 hours ago, grimreeper132 said:

lets go with one of each.

 

4K one (don't know monitors well but this looks like a good one, and it's reasonably priced compared with other 28" screens)

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Rk98TW/aoc-monitor-u2879vf

 

1440P one 144Hz which is more than high enough for most, if not all people

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/t4Crxr/acer-monitor-umhg0aa001

These look really really good. TY

3 hours ago, ATFink said:

If just noticed you said you were doing video editing, so maybe think about getting 32 GB of ram? That could be a later upgrade, but I've heard adobe premier loves to use all the ram it can find.

yea, yea it does:(. That said i like your modified build ill differently make changes to mine. thanks for that.

 

[ATFink]

6 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

1. 1700 comes with the wraith spire RGB. 1700X and 1800X DO NOT come with any cooler.

 

-snip-

 

3. The wraith spire is a 95W rated cooler therefore it has some thermal headroom for mild overclocks. for example on the stock cooler I was comfortable at 3.8GHz on the stock cooler @ 1.29V.

 

-snip-

@Cunning Death

Ah. Well if this is the case then here is an update to the list I provided earlier:

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hzmbZ8

 

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($323.69 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($178.98 @ Directron) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($134.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($146.04 @ NCIX US) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC Black Edition Video Card  ($699.99 @ B&H) 
Case: NZXT S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($66.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($88.89 @ OutletPC) 
Case Fan: Corsair SP120 PWM High Performance Edition - Twin Pack 62.7 CFM  120mm Fan  ($28.88 @ OutletPC) 
UPS: CyberPower CP1500AVRLCD UPS  ($129.95 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1868.39

 

As you can see, it costs pretty much the same as the original build, but has a 1080ti instead of a 1070

[Cunning Death]

@mariushm  & @tom_w141 thank you for the detailed explanation

 

that said with a single 1080, 4k isn't possible on gaming but still good for art and editing videos? did i catch this correct?

 

[tom_w141]

13 minutes ago, ATFink said:

@Cunning Death

Ah. Well if this is the case then here is an update to the list I provided earlier:

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hzmbZ8

 

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($323.69 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($178.98 @ Directron) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($134.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($146.04 @ NCIX US) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC Black Edition Video Card  ($699.99 @ B&H) 
Case: NZXT S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($66.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($88.89 @ OutletPC) 
Case Fan: Corsair SP120 PWM High Performance Edition - Twin Pack 62.7 CFM  120mm Fan  ($28.88 @ OutletPC) 
UPS: CyberPower CP1500AVRLCD UPS  ($129.95 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1868.39

 

As you can see, it costs pretty much the same as the original build, but has a 1080ti instead of a 1070

Nice build and directing money at the Ti rather than cpu will make a much bigger difference.

 

I almost 100% agree but for the motherboard I have heard a few disappointed posts on reddit regarding the msi mobo. I personally have a crosshair and love it but if I had recommend another mobo excluding the crosshair then I'd say hands down the Asrock Taichi has some great reviews, a nice bios, making good gains from bios update to update, being updated almost as regularly are the crosshair. The mobo is the only part there I'd change.

[ATFink]

This might work better since you said video editing > gaming. It depends on how much video editing you are doing. If it's a lot, go with this over the last list. Otherwise the 1080ti is a much better GPU:

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QbnbZ8

 

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($323.69 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: MSI X370 GAMING PRO CARBON ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($178.98 @ Directron) 
Memory: G.Skill TridentZ Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($219.97 @ Jet) 
Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($146.04 @ NCIX US) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card  ($539.99 @ Amazon) 
Case: NZXT S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case  ($66.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($88.89 @ OutletPC) 
Case Fan: Corsair SP120 PWM High Performance Edition - Twin Pack 62.7 CFM  120mm Fan  ($28.88 @ OutletPC) 
UPS: CyberPower CP1500AVRLCD UPS  ($129.95 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1793.37

[ATFink]

16 minutes ago, tom_w141 said:

Nice build and directing money at the Ti rather than cpu will make a much bigger difference.

 

I almost 100% agree but for the motherboard I have heard a few disappointed posts on reddit regarding the msi mobo. I personally have a crosshair and love it but if I had recommend another mobo excluding the crosshair then I'd say hands down the Asrock Taichi has some great reviews, a nice bios, making good gains from bios update to update, being updated almost as regularly are the crosshair. The mobo is the only part there I'd change.

I was trying to keep as many components that you originally listed in the build as possible.

 

I've never had a bad experience with ASUS, so maybe this?:

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rYPPLD

 

EDIT:

OOPs... thought you were Cunning Death when I quoted you. Anyways, I think it is a choice between going with 32GB of ram and downgrading to the 1080 or keping 16GB and a 1080ti... It just depends how much time is saved by using more ram when video editing and how important that time is to @Cunning Death. I don't video edit so I don't know, however I'd personally stick with the 1080ti build I put together earlier (changing the motherboard of coarse).

[Cunning Death]

@tom_w141 is the crosshair worth the money? &  With a single 1080, 4k isn't possible on gaming but still good for art and editing videos? did i catch this correct?

[Cunning Death]

@ATFink i did like that  "G.Skill TridentZ Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory" it is cheaper then the vengence lpx 2x16 one

[tom_w141]

11 minutes ago, Cunning Death said:

@tom_w141 is the crosshair worth the money? &  With a single 1080, 4k isn't possible on gaming but still good for art and editing videos? did i catch this correct?

I was actually trying to recommend the taichi as its as good as my crosshair and a bit cheaper.

 

But with regard to crosshair yes imo it is. Great bios, updates come out pretty much weekly which is a massive help considering AM4 is a brand new platform so the updates matter. Now yes i'm going to admit another reason for the crosshair was I have a case window and other ROG components in my build so to keep up with the theme was another reason I got the Crosshair. Also lastly the ROG forum is very helpful and the staff actually respond which is nice.

 

EDIT: Check any memory for your mobo on http://rymem.vraith.com before purchasing to ensure you will get the rated speed. With regard to the graphics card I suggest the 1080Ti.

 

EDIT 2: Btw just noticed the 1700 is £5 cheaper today then it was yesterday  

[ATFink]

I don't know how important the 32GB of ram upfront is to you, but this build will truly look beautiful (you can always add 2 more 8GB sticks later):

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fNnYtJ

 

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($323.69 @ SuperBiiz) 
Motherboard: ASRock X370 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($198.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($129.87 @ OutletPC) 
Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($146.04 @ NCIX US) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC Black Edition Video Card  ($699.99 @ B&H) 
Case: Phanteks ECLIPSE P400S TEMPERED GLASS ATX Mid Tower Case  ($89.99 @ Amazon) 
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($88.89 @ OutletPC) 
UPS: CyberPower CP1500AVRLCD UPS  ($129.95 @ Amazon) 
Total: $1877.40

 

The case has tempered glass and the built in LEDs will cycle between colors when you press the LED button on the front panel. The white ram looks nice on the black backdrop of the Taichi motherboard away from the white designs such that the colors will be more balance. White is very good for different LED colors.

 

Unfortunately the ram isn't verified in http://rymem.vraith.com/specific/6, but updates (that you probably shouldn't rely on) may fix this in the future.