6600k vs 7600k

[PMSJ98]

Hello! I'm planning to get a new gaming pc. I will be using the raijintek aidos (simmilar to the 212 evo or 212x) for cooling, and I am not sure if I should use a 7600k or a 6600k as a cpu. Here's the thing: they're pretty much the same price, and also same performance with same frequencies. I'm planning on overclocking  only a little bit, because I'm very limited with cooling. I would be happy with 4.4/4.5 ghz, and I don't know which one would be better for that. I know 7600k can easily get to 5 ghz with water cooling, but temperatures are generally higher due to bad thermal paste.

So, which one do you think would give that 4,5 ghz with lower temperatures? 

Thank you for replying.

[Skiiwee29]

Get the 7600k, it has higher base/turbo clocks than the 6600k. 

[Imakuni]

Instead of a 7600k, mobo Z270 and the cooler, you should try to buy a 7700, mobo b250 and use the stock heatsink. Price will be similar, but performance will be generally higher.

[PMSJ98]

I know it has better stock clocks, so it performs better. But my question was, as they perfom equally when they have the same frequency, which one would reach a 4,5 ghz overclock with lower temps, since my cooling won't be great

[PMSJ98]

1 minute ago, Imakuni said:

Instead of a 7600k, mobo Z270 and the cooler, you should try to buy a 7700, mobo b250 and use the stock heatsink. Price will be similar, but performance will be generally higher.

Well, if i was going to do video editing, that would be a great idea i think. But hyperthreading doesn't give you a lot of advantage in games, so the 7600k is better for gaming, since it can reach higher clockspeeds.

[Droidbot]

Kaby/Skylake are on par with each other when it comes to IPC, there is no performance difference. However, 7600k overclocks better than the old Skylake counterparts, with many reviewers and enthusasts hitting very good clockspeeds quite easily

 

[stealth80]

5 minutes ago, PMSJ98 said:

Well, if i was going to do video editing, that would be a great idea i think. But hyperthreading doesn't give you a lot of advantage in games, so the 7600k is better for gaming, since it can reach higher clockspeeds.

Wrong

 

 

 

[Imakuni]

5 minutes ago, PMSJ98 said:

Well, if i was going to do video editing, that would be a great idea i think. But hyperthreading doesn't give you a lot of advantage in games, so the 7600k is better for gaming, since it can reach higher clockspeeds.

Actually, it does. People don't realize this, but HT does help, especially in more modern titles. The i5 is worse and you have to OC to make up for it and match the i7.

[PMSJ98]

How many games that take an advantage of ht, appart from battlefield 1 and watchdogs 2, can you name?

[manikyath]

10 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

Wrong

 

 

 

chances are that the games tested are pretty much the majority of games that more than 4 threads apply to.

 

within my entire steam library i've yet to find a game where hyperthreading makes a difference.

[stealth80]

11 minutes ago, manikyath said:

chances are that the games tested are pretty much the majority of games that more than 4 threads apply to.

 

within my entire steam library i've yet to find a game where hyperthreading makes a difference.

But the games tested are a lot of the AAA titles from the last 6 months or so - Point is games are moving forwards and theyre already starting to use those cores.

[manikyath]

11 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

But the games tested are a lot of the AAA titles from the last 6 months or so - Point is games are moving forwards and theyre already starting to use those cores.

i feel like that's the correct terminology.

 

we're *defenately* heading in that direction, but for now seemingly the games that are hurting for cpu speed the most also seem to largely be the ones optimized for 4 cores (or less).

 

and in case someone is gonna argue this is some sort of a defending of purchase, i got an i7 4790k, i got an i7 4790k because at the time it was the processor with the highest single threaded performance, and because i was coming from an i7 4770 without wanting a downgrade (the 4770 non-k is in my server now)

 

also, for a lot of those games where you can really max out your i7 completely, it's very often at such high framerates that the difference doesnt translate into an actually better experience, coming to the question if that 10% speed increase (which for most games is the benefit of a hyperthread, as opposed to the "100%" an actual core brings) is wasted money or not.

 

if you're *that* person that got a 1080ti or titan x for 1080p gaming, it may make a notable difference, in most other cases i'd just say my usual "in case of cpu bottleneck, add more anti aliasing"

[stealth80]

11 minutes ago, manikyath said:

i feel like that's the correct terminology.

 

we're *defenately* heading in that direction, but for now seemingly the games that are hurting for cpu speed the most also seem to largely be the ones optimized for 4 cores (or less).

 

and in case someone is gonna argue this is some sort of a defending of purchase, i got an i7 4790k, i got an i7 4790k because at the time it was the processor with the highest single threaded performance, and because i was coming from an i7 4770 without wanting a downgrade (the 4770 non-k is in my server now)

 

also, for a lot of those games where you can really max out your i7 completely, it's very often at such high framertes that the difference doesnt translate into an actually better experience, coming to the question if that 10% speed increase (which for most games is the benefit of a hyperthread, as opposed to the "100%" an actual core brings) is wasted money or not.

 

if you're *that* person that got a 1080ti or titan x for 1080p gaming, it may make a notable difference, in most other cases i'd just say my usual "in case of cpu bottleneck, add more anti aliasing"

 

it aint just about the FPS, there isn't actually much in the FPS - You need to look at frame times

 

look at the frame times on the picture I linked earlier.

 

Also I would say "starting to become more common place" rather than starting to - We also need to consider that OP is making a build to last a few years, not "NOW" so an i7 would be the better choice providing adding it isn't gimping the platform in other ways - its not

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($234.49 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z270 TOMAHAWK ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($133.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $368.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-10 05:36 EST-0500

 

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($295.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI B250M GAMING PRO Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($84.99 @ B&H)
Total: $380.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-10 05:37 EST-0500

 

for $12 take the i7, all day long, gonna offer more in the future

 

and lastly

 

I too opted for the 4790k, I toyed for ages with the 5820k + X99 - anyway, plenty of people are using it and don't want to replace it - rightly so, its a great chip. however, plenty of people are wanting to change out their 4690k's for a while, they just haven't lasted as well, they still overclock well, just games are crushing them, gonna be the same with 6600/7600k in a couple of years while the 6700/7700k's are still going strong

[Tieox]

Running a 6600k right now, planning to drop a 7600K in very soon.  Seen enough benchmarks to convince me it's worth the cost.

[stealth80]

1 minute ago, Kierax said:

Running a 6600k right now, planning to drop a 7600K in very soon.  Seen enough benchmarks to convince me it's worth the cost.

I'm sorry haha, is that a misstype? Or are you actually going i5 to i5?

[manikyath]

Just now, stealth80 said:

 

it aint just about the FPS, there isn't actually much in the FPS - You need to look at frame times

 

look at the frame times on the picture I linked earlier.

 

Also I would say "starting to become more common place" rather than starting to - We also need to consider that OP is making a build to last a few years, not "NOW" so an i7 would be the better choice providing adding it isn't gimping the platform in other ways - its not

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($234.49 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z270 TOMAHAWK ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($133.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $368.38
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-10 05:36 EST-0500

 

vs

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($295.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI B250M GAMING PRO Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($84.99 @ B&H)
Total: $380.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-03-10 05:37 EST-0500

 

for $12 take the i7, all day long, gonna offer more in the future

 

and lastly

 

I too opted for the 4790k, I toyed for ages with the 5820k + X99 - anyway, plenty of people are using it and don't want to replace it - rightly so, its a great chip. however, plenty of people are wanting to changed out their 4690k's for a while, they just haven't lasted as well, they still overclock well, just games are crushing them, gonna be the same with 6600/7600k in a couple of years while the 6700/7700k's are still going strong

the thing is, if you can OC the i5 to around 4GHz (which it darn well does.) you essentially omitted the performance gains from the 7700, which you cannot oc. hyperthreading isnt a magical puppet, higher single core performance can gladly have the same benefit.

 

and frame times can be important, if they're not lacking comapred to what a normal setup (not a titan x at 1080p) would be requiring for a smooth experience.

[manikyath]

2 minutes ago, Kierax said:

Running a 6600k right now, planning to drop a 7600K in very soon.  Seen enough benchmarks to convince me it's worth the cost.

if that wasnt a mistype, OC 400MHz, BOOM, free upgrade

[Imakuni]

1 minute ago, manikyath said:

and frame times can be important, if they're not lacking comapred to what a normal setup (not a titan x at 1080p) would be requiring for a smooth experience.

Titan X = Gtx 1070, btw. If you are considering an i7, such a GPU + 144hz monitor is kinda likely.

[Droidbot]

3 minutes ago, Kierax said:

Running a 6600k right now, planning to drop a 7600K in very soon.  Seen enough benchmarks to convince me it's worth the cost.

lol skylake and kaby lake are on par with ipc, just 7600k oc's better

no difference besides that

and some shitty DRM chip but nobodycaresmate

[JoostinOnline]

25 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

But the games tested are a lot of the AAA titles from the last 6 months or so - Point is games are moving forwards and theyre already starting to use those cores.

Even older games like Crysis can get a huge boost from it:

 

[Tieox]

3 minutes ago, stealth80 said:

I'm sorry haha, is that a misstype? Or are you actually going i5 to i5?

6700k.

 

[Tieox]

1 minute ago, Droidbot said:

lol skylake and kaby lake are on par with ipc, just 7600k oc's better

no difference besides that

and some shitty DRM chip but nobodycaresmate

 

See above, going to the i7 6700K.  My bad.

[stealth80]

Just now, Kierax said:

See above, going to the i7 6700K.  My bad.

grab the 7700k and make it worth it, practically same price, but 7 series clocks much higher

[manikyath]

Just now, Imakuni said:

Titan X = Gtx 1070, btw. If you are considering an i7, such a GPU + 144hz monitor is kinda likely.

can i say that titan X versus titan X pascal is confusing?

 

still tho, between 6600k/7600k or the 7700 non-k my vote is for the i5 because even a mild OC outplays any benefit of hyperthreading on the locked i7.

[manikyath]

1 minute ago, stealth80 said:

grab the 7700k and make it worth it, practically same price, but 7 series clocks much higher

backing this one, since you already have a chip to bios upgrade with

EDIT: @Kierax