ryzen Ryzen????????

[JohnFPS]

Well I think we all really happy with what AMD has done to the CPU world now but for some one who Just Wants a Gaming Machine what do I do? I did not get on the AMD hype train at the start so I don't know much about Ryzen 5 and 3 but I could just Build a System with the 1700 or 1700x for about the same price as i7 7700k. Has anyone heard much about R5 and R3? The plan for my build is 4K max settings gaming 2 GTX 1080 in SLI or wait for AMD GPU to drop?    

[captain cactus]

Ryzen R5 is slated for Q2 this year, R3 for H2 this year.

[Brooksie359]

8 minutes ago, lots of unexplainable lag said:

Ryzen R5 is slated for Q2 this year, R3 for H2 this year.

where did you get that information? 

 

9 minutes ago, JohnFPS said:

Well I think we all really happy with what AMD has done to the CPU world now but for some one who Just Wants a Gaming Machine what do I do? I did not get on the AMD hype train at the start so I don't know much about Ryzen 5 and 3 but I could just Build a System with the 1700 or 1700x for about the same price as i7 7700k. Has anyone heard much about R5 and R3? The plan for my build is 4K max settings gaming 2 GTX 1080 in SLI or wait for AMD GPU to drop?    

the 7700k is still going to offer better gaming performance unless you are playing a crazy cpu intensive rts. if you have any need for 8 cores the 1700 and the 1700x are looking really appealing. some reasons why you would want more cores is if you plan on playing games and having other things running in the background like obs for streaming. also if you use any software that is optimized for multi-threaded performance like video editing and some computational programs. 

[rjfaber91]

11 minutes ago, JohnFPS said:

Well I think we all really happy with what AMD has done to the CPU world now but for some one who Just Wants a Gaming Machine what do I do? I did not get on the AMD hype train at the start so I don't know much about Ryzen 5 and 3 but I could just Build a System with the 1700 or 1700x for about the same price as i7 7700k. Has anyone heard much about R5 and R3? The plan for my build is 4K max settings gaming 2 GTX 1080 in SLI or wait for AMD GPU to drop?    

Get a Ryzen7 1700; that would be my advice right now. If you've got the kind of budget that'll fit two 1080s, then the extra €50-ish that a Ryzen7 1700 costs compared to the higher-end Ryzen5 chips seems worth it, not to mention you can have your CPU now, rather than having to wait another two or three months.

[JohnFPS]

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

where did you get that information? 

 

the 7700k is still going to offer better gaming performance unless you are playing a crazy cpu intensive rts. if you have any need for 8 cores the 1700 and the 1700x are looking really appealing. some reasons why you would want more cores is if you plan on playing games and having other things running in the background like obs for streaming. also if you use any software that is optimized for multi-threaded performance like video editing and some computational programs. 

I don't need more cores for video editing or Photoshop I was just thinking well why not lol. 

[JohnFPS]

2 minutes ago, rjfaber91 said:

Get a Ryzen7 1700; that would be my advice right now. If you've got the kind of budget that'll fit two 1080s, then the extra €50-ish that a Ryzen7 1700 costs compared to the higher-end Ryzen5 chips seems worth it, not to mention you can have your CPU now, rather than having to wait another two or three months.

Good point but, If Intel drops the price of 7700k would you get that? 

[Brooksie359]

2 minutes ago, JohnFPS said:

I don't need more cores for video editing or Photoshop I was just thinking well why not lol. 

i mean that's one reason i guess. i know i'm probably getting a r7 1700x because alot of my engineering softwares are super multi-threaded but i probably would still get it even if i don't need 8 cores. 

[rjfaber91]

8 minutes ago, JohnFPS said:

Good point but, If Intel drops the price of 7700k would you get that? 

Depends on what you want to use it for, really. In terms of pricing they might be similar, but in terms of design philosophy they're wholly different animals. The 7700K is Intel trying to push a quadcore further than they've made it go before, whereas the 1700 is AMD giving you twice the cores and threads at slightly lower per-clock performance.

 

If your primary interest is gaming, and you want to see the full potential of your CPU be fulfilled right this moment, then the 7700K is probably the better bet, though the 1700 would not be far behind. If you want an all-around very capable CPU that can handle content creation just as well as gaming, you want to futureproof (insofar as that is possible) and like to have an upgrade path on a new socket, absolutely get the 1700.

 

That last point is one I wouldn't want to understate. For years the Intel army has decried the lack of an upgrade path on AM3+, but now the tables are turned; Intel is likely to continue its anti-consumer tradition of changing its socket with every other new CPU lineup, so LGA1151 is already on its last legs, whereas we know from AMD that AM4 will last until at least 2020.

[Light-Yagami]

Ryzen R7 1700X is the best buy. +You OC it to sth like 4.5 and you've got sth much better than 6900k for $400. That's crazy. Also, because of the high single thread reformance, gaming should be great as well. 

 

If people don't only buy R7 for high-end builds from now on, then I quit life.

[HKZeroFive]

11 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

where did you get that information? 

I imagine this:

 

[Brooksie359]

5 minutes ago, Light-Yagami said:

Ryzen R7 1700X is the best buy. +You OC it to sth like 4.5 and you've got sth much better than 6900k for $400. That's crazy. Also, because of the high single thread reformance, gaming should be great as well. 

 

If people don't only buy R7 for high-end builds from now on, then I quit life.

i really want to see how all of these cpus oc because if you can oc the 1700 to somewhere around the 1700x i would definitely think about getting the 1700. 

[Brooksie359]

2 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

I imagine this:

 

was this under nda? i watched everyone's coverage of the event and didn't see anyone cover it. 

[rjfaber91]

8 minutes ago, Light-Yagami said:

Ryzen R7 1700X is the best buy. +You OC it to sth like 4.5 and you've got sth much better than 6900k for $400. That's crazy. Also, because of the high single thread reformance, gaming should be great as well. 

 

If people don't only buy R7 for high-end builds from now on, then I quit life.

I'd disagree, actually. I think the price premium of the 1700X over the regular 1700 is quite significant, and if all you're getting in return is XFR and a slightly higher base speed, I'm not sure that's worth it, especially if you plan on manual overclocking anyway. If anything, I'd say the 1700X is the least attractive buy of the three CPUs currently available. You'd buy the 1800X in a heartbeat because it's the best of the best, and the 1700 because it's absolutely excellent value, but not necessarily the 1700X.

[HKZeroFive]

3 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

was this under nda? i watched everyone's coverage of the event and didn't see anyone cover it. 

I believe the R3 and R5 processors are still under NDA since the only thing everyone is talking about is the R7 processors.

 

A couple more slides:

 

[Brooksie359]

2 minutes ago, rjfaber91 said:

I'd disagree, actually. I think the price premium of the 1700X over the regular 1700 is quite significant, and if all you're getting in return is XFR and a slightly higher base speed, I'm not sure that's worth it, especially if you plan on manual overclocking anyway. If anything, I'd say the 1700X is the least attractive buy of the three CPUs currently available. You'd buy the 1800X in a heartbeat because it's the best of the best, and the 1700 because it's absolutely excellent value, but not necessarily the 1700X.

it really depends on how well each can oc. if you can oc the 1700x just as well as the 1800x i don't see why you would get the 1800x. 

[Brooksie359]

3 minutes ago, HKZeroFive said:

I believe the R3 and R5 processors are still under NDA since the only thing everyone is talking about is the R7 processors.

 

A couple more slides:

 

where did you find these slides?

 

[rjfaber91]

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

it really depends on how well each can oc. if you can oc the 1700x just as well as the 1800x i don't see why you would get the 1800x. 

For bragging purposes? I know that sounds a bit selfish, but I've spent seven years waiting for AMD to come up with a CPU that's better than what I've got now, so I decided very early that I'd be damned if I didn't get the best of the best Ryzen CPU available at launch.

 

Beyond that though, and coming back to the world of pragmatic reason, the 1700 is probably all you'll really ever need to buy, unless AMD is doing some serious binning of these chips and an overclocked 1700 can't get near an overclocked 1800X...

[HKZeroFive]

1 minute ago, Brooksie359 said:

where did you find these slides?

Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/5vp8h0/leaked_ryzen_tech_day_slides_r5_launch_in_q2_r3/

 

Videocardz: https://videocardz.com/66324/where-is-ryzen-5-and-ryzen-3

[JohnFPS]

But if they cut i7 7700k price whitch one should a get?

[rjfaber91]

26 minutes ago, JohnFPS said:

But if they cut i7 7700k price whitch one should a get?

I refer to my earlier answer:

 

"Depends on what you want to use it for, really. In terms of pricing they might be similar, but in terms of design philosophy they're wholly different animals. The 7700K is Intel trying to push a quadcore further than they've made it go before, whereas the 1700 is AMD giving you twice the cores and threads at slightly lower per-clock performance.

 

If your primary interest is gaming, and you want to see the full potential of your CPU be fulfilled right this moment, then the 7700K is probably the better bet, though the 1700 would not be far behind. If you want an all-around very capable CPU that can handle content creation just as well as gaming, you want to futureproof (insofar as that is possible) and like to have an upgrade path on a new socket, absolutely get the 1700.

 

That last point is one I wouldn't want to understate. For years the Intel army has decried the lack of an upgrade path on AM3+, but now the tables are turned; Intel is likely to continue its anti-consumer tradition of changing its socket with every other new CPU lineup, so LGA1151 is already on its last legs, whereas we know from AMD that AM4 will last until at least 2020."

 

That's as elaborate as I can get. Unless you want us to actually make your decisions for you, instead of simply providing you with all the information needed to make the decision yourself, there's not much more I can say.