Ryzen R7 1700

[XiiXii808]

Should i sell my intel core i7 6700 that i got back in july 2016 and upgrade to the r7 1700 considering its 6900k performance for 320$. i thought it would be great for my music production and editing workloads for the price. 

[TrigrH]

you will lose gaming performance, but if rendering performance is more important to you, it might be a good idea.

[musama18117]

Maybe just waiting for a extra few days is not a bad idea.

 

Just a few more days, can't you handle that?

[Megah3rtz]

You might want to wait for legitimate benchmarks before you start firing questions, the launch is on march 2nd, expect lots of threads about benchmarks here and on youtube and you'll have a much better answer. 

[Lolcrokn]

Isnt 6900K competitor like 499$ ? 

[Morgan MLGman]

27 minutes ago, TrigrH said:

you will lose gaming performance, but if rendering performance is more important to you, it might be a good idea.

That's not necessarily true, 6700 non-K has lower clock speeds than its K counterpart and despite higher IPC, the 1700 can be overclocked and its IPC seems only a tiny bit lower than Skylake/Kaby Lake.

[TrigrH]

1 minute ago, Morgan MLGman said:

That's not necessarily true, 6700 non-K has lower clock speeds than its K counterpart and despite higher IPC, the 1700 can be overclocked and its IPC seems only a tiny bit lower than Skylake/Kaby Lake.

we will have to wait till we have the info but to push a 1700 to 4ghz he will need to buy a new cooler

[Morgan MLGman]

14 minutes ago, TrigrH said:

we will have to wait till we have the info but to push a 1700 to 4ghz he will need to buy a new cooler

Again, not necessarily. New coolers from AMD are beefier than those stock ones from Intel and the R7 1700 still boosts to 3,7GHz with it cause it has TDP of 65W, as a comparison Intel's counterpart in tersm of clock speeds and the amount of cores and threads has TDP of 140W.

 

15 minutes ago, AceTakerV8 said:

Despite that IPC being lower, AMD has more cores and threads to make up for that, correct?

If an R7 1700 at stock beats a 6800K in BF1 by quite a bit (judging from LTT video about Ryzen), then the IPC is very similar, what's more important there's also more cores + threads on the R7 1700 so it seems like it should outperform an i7-6700. It probably won't outperform my 6700K @4,7GHz in games, but a 6700? That's very likely.

[rjfaber91]

8 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Again, not necessarily. New coolers from AMD are beefier than those stock ones from Intel and the R7 1700 still boosts to 3,7GHz with it cause it has TDP of 65W, as a comparison Intel's counterpart in tersm of clock speeds and the amount of cores and threads has TDP of 140W.

Does the 1700 even come with a stock cooler? I thought none of the Ryzen7 SKUs did; my preordered 1800X certainly doesn't. Anyway, I think people are going way overboard with this whole new-cooler-for-Ryzen thing. Quite apart from the fact that Ryzen chips have roughly equivalent TDPs to Intel's current offerings, and sígníficantly reduced TDP compared to their own past Phenom II and FX-series chips, most "budget" air coolers (your standard Pure Rock, H7, Hyper 212 etc.) are chronically underused anyway; they can shift way more heat than these chips will ever reasonably emit, certainly if you're only talking a 0.3GHz overclock and the associated, presumably miniscule, overvolt.

[TrigrH]

4 minutes ago, rjfaber91 said:

Does the 1700 even come with a stock cooler? I thought none of the Ryzen7 SKUs did; my preordered 1800X certainly doesn't. Anyway, I think people are going way overboard with this whole new-cooler-for-Ryzen thing. Quite apart from the fact that Ryzen chips have roughly equivalent TDPs to Intel's current offerings, and sígníficantly reduced TDP compared to their own past Phenom II and FX-series chips, most "budget" air coolers (your standard Pure Rock, H7, Hyper 212 etc.) are chronically underused anyway; they can shift way more heat than these chips will ever reasonably emit, certainly if you're only talking a 0.3GHz overclock and the associated, presumably miniscule, overvolt.

the 1700 comes with the middle tier cooler:

Edited February 23, 2017 by TrigrH

[Morgan MLGman]

2 minutes ago, rjfaber91 said:

Does the 1700 even come with a stock cooler? I thought none of the Ryzen7 SKUs did; my preordered 1800X certainly doesn't. Anyway, I think people are going way overboard with this whole new-cooler-for-Ryzen thing. Quite apart from the fact that Ryzen chips have roughly equivalent TDPs to Intel's current offerings, and sígníficantly reduced TDP compared to their own past Phenom II and FX-series chips, most "budget" air coolers (your standard Pure Rock, H7, Hyper 212 etc.) are chronically underused anyway; they can shift way more heat than these chips will ever reasonably emit, certainly if you're only talking a 0.3GHz overclock and the associated, presumably miniscule, overvolt.

Yeah, there will be two or three different AMD coolers for Ryzen and depending on the chip, have a look here:

 

 

As for TDP, actually AMDs Ryzen offerings have lower TDP than their Intel counterparts, example:

 

Ryzen R7 1700 has TDP of 65W, costs 330$ and has clock speeds of 3,0GHz to 3,7GHz Boost, 8 cores / 16 threads

i7-6900K has TDP of 140W, costs over 1000$ and has clock speeds of 3,2GHz to 3,7GHz Boost, 8 cores / 16 threads

You pay 1/3rd of a 6900K's price for basically the same amount of cores/threads and the same clock speeds at less than half TDP... And potentially better gaming performance.

Not to mention that X99 motherboards are a lot more expensive than most X370 ones should be.

 

And judging from Linus's Ryzen video the R7 1700 should be better in BF1. (I know it was compared to a 6800K but clock speeds are similar to those of 6900K and two extra cores don't change much in games at the moment.

[rjfaber91]

2 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Yeah, there will be two or three different AMD coolers for Ryzen and depending on the chip, have a look here:

Ah, I see, they've got two different SKUs for every CPU; one with and one without Wraith. Makes sense, I suppose. Not that I mind having bought the one without a stock cooler; I've got plenty of unused CPU coolers clogging up my PC component pile as is...

[Morgan MLGman]

7 minutes ago, rjfaber91 said:

Ah, I see, they've got two different SKUs for every CPU; one with and one without Wraith. Makes sense, I suppose. Not that I mind having bought the one without a stock cooler; I've got plenty of unused CPU coolers clogging up my PC component pile as is...

Judging that overclockers to OC the 1800X to 5,15GHz (and beat Cinebench R15 world record with score of 2449 points!) needed voltage of 1.853V I believe you'll be able to OC those chips up to 4,5-4,6GHz with watercooling and around 4,3-4,4 with aircooling. But that's only my assumption.

[rjfaber91]

2 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Judging that overclockers to OC the 1800X to 5,15GHz (and beat Cinebench R15 world record with score of 2449 points!) needed voltage of 1.853V I believe you'll be able to OC those chips up to 4,5-4,6GHz with watercooling and around 4,3-4,4 with aircooling. But that's only my assumption.

Seems like a reasonable estimate, yes. Silicon lottery will play a big role of course, but regardless, getting a 1700 to 4.0GHz on air shouldn't be an issue, provided you've got a motherboard with good power delivery, and all the other usual caveats...

[Morgan MLGman]

3 minutes ago, rjfaber91 said:

Seems like a reasonable estimate, yes. Silicon lottery will play a big role of course, but regardless, getting a 1700 to 4.0GHz on air shouldn't be an issue, provided you've got a motherboard with good power delivery, and all the other usual caveats...

Yeah, and since you can only overclock on X370 chipset, probably all of those motherboards will have good-enough VRMs to deliver enough power for overclocking

 

Seriously considering ditching my 6700K... Which I just bought in October 2016...

[rjfaber91]

5 minutes ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Yeah, and since you can only overclock on X370 chipset, probably all of those motherboards will have good-enough VRMs to deliver enough power for overclocking

 

Seriously considering ditching my 6700K... Which I just bought in October 2016...

Oh, I'm not sure; we've seen motherboard manufacturers blunder about with VRM design in the past; I don't think we can just assume they've stopped now. Sure, the €240+ stuff, like the Gigabyte Aorus Gaming, ASUS RoG Crosshair Hero and MSI Titanium are excellent boards with excellent power delivery, but once you get to the lower-price X370 boards, I would make a point of actually checking how many power phases it has rather than simply assuming it'll be good because it's X370.