Programming Language

[sanketp60]

Hey there, I am currently learning and studying B Tech in Computers. So, which programming language is best to learn as an bassline?

Thankful for your feedback!

Good Day OR Night!

[ZaTrox]

3 minutes ago, sanketp60 said:

Hey there, I am currently learning and studying B Tech in Computers. So, which programming language is best to learn as an bassline?

Thankful for your feedback!

Good Day OR Night!

Right now i am learning C# for my first programming language, apparently its easier then C++ and can be used in everything but out of these three, your best choice is probably Python

[mpsparrow]

C++ I believe is more widely used then Python. I would personally learn C++.

[xentropa]

I would say Java, but C++ is really similar to JAVA so

 

C++

[ZaTrox]

18 minutes ago, sanketp60 said:

Hey there, I am currently learning and studying B Tech in Computers. So, which programming language is best to learn as an bassline?

Thankful for your feedback!

Good Day OR Night!

on this question you will get 100 different answers if you ask 100 different people, 

[straight_stewie]

The answer to this question really depends on a lot of factors. If you don't know what those factors are, pick python.

[vorticalbox]

I say python. Easy to learn and very powerful.

[RumSwift]

It depends. If you have a basic understanding of programming, start with Java/C++. If you're totally new, Python is a good place to start. It's not used as much as others but it's certainly the easiest to grasp for a beginner. 

 

I did Computer Science at Uni and I went in with a basic understanding of Java and Python. Created a basic calculator in both. Must say it helped me out a lot in first and second year when learning different languages.

 

Once you know one, learning others is a lot easier. 

 

Web master race though.

[Mira Yurizaki]

Python is easy to set up and start doing stuff right there.

 

C++ is kind of iffy because of its setup (not just getting a dev environment, but coding classes and all). I would recommend C# over C++ in this regard when learning OOP.

[Nuluvius]

3 hours ago, xentropa said:

I would say Java, but C++ is really similar to JAVA so

You are completely wrong there, the only remote similarity is the most basic syntax otherwise they are completely different.

[Mira Yurizaki]

3 hours ago, Nuluvius said:

You are completely wrong there, the only remote similarity is the most basic syntax otherwise they are completely different.

Well, they're both OOP languages too.

[Beef Boss]

I've learned to hate java from learning other languages. And it can get annoying. 

[fizzlesticks]

37 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Well, they're both OOP languages too.

Completely different styles of OOP though. Java is the cram it down your throat forced OOP for everything while C++ is just like, classes are thing, use them if you want. A lot of the big names in C++ even recommend using free functions over member functions whenever possible. C++ also has things that just can't be implemented as member functions no mater how much you want them to be.

[Mira Yurizaki]

1 minute ago, fizzlesticks said:

Completely different styles of OOP though. Java is the cram it down your throat forced OOP for everything while C++ is just like, classes are thing, use them if you want. A lot of the big names in C++ even recommend using free functions over member functions whenever possible.

However one could argue that mixing programming paradigms in the project for no reason other than just because someone said to do so is bad coding practice. If you weren't going to use the OOP features of C++, why bother using C++ at all? You can still have private and public concepts in C.

1 minute ago, fizzlesticks said:

C++ also has things that just can't be implemented as member functions no mater how much you want them to be.

Like what?

[fizzlesticks]

7 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

If you weren't going to use the OOP features of C++, why bother using C++ at all?

Because C++ provides tons of features that have nothing to do with OOP like templates, overloading, exceptions, the STL etc.

35 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

Like what?

Things that are designed to be overloaded for custom types. For example, if you want to be able to std::cout << something you need to overload ostream operator<<. It would make perfect sense to make that a member function of the class that you're writing it for but you can't. 

[.50]

Python. Simple and easy language and great baseline for starters + its really powerful. 

If you want, you can learn one of frameworks for python, like Django. 

Django is really popular lately.

 

[Dat Guy]

Don't start with Python unless you don't want to learn much about programming. Python is horrible. The whole "whitespace is syntax" debacle contradicts everything that is considered good style in all other common programming languages.

 

If I were you, I'd choose C++ or Delphi; Delphi because it is awesome for RAD (you get really mature results really fast), C++ because it has no limits especially when you aim at performance or multi-platform compatibility. I regularly use both these days. You might want to start with Lazarus though, Delphi is somewhat expensive and Lazarus supports a similar Object Pascal syntax.

[Dat Guy]

Java is like C++ with more restrictions, especially concerning memory management. Also it's horribly slow. You should not use it.

[Unimportant]

I would like to point out that the new versions of C++ (11, 14, upcoming 17) are progressively making C++ simpler. Much of the old obfuscated way of doing things is still there for compatibility reasons but new programmers should focus on the new way of doing things and it's becoming much less cluttered and more elegant.

 

Herb Sutter had a nice presentation about it a while back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEx5DNLWGgA

 

[Dat Guy]

C++17 is especially nice since most reasons to use the Boost libraries (including <filesystem>) are a part of std:: now. GCC and MSVC++ already support most of it. C++20 will probably get std::asio too.  

[JoostinOnline]

Of those choices, Python.  Your first language isn't something you'll be using later on.

 

I started with SCHEME.  It's a language from the depths of hell that makes you want to kill yourself.  It's extremely limited.  That's a good thing though, because it teaches you how to think outside the box and get creative.  While I'm not an amazing coder overall, I'm pretty good at optimization, and that's all because of SCHEME.

[Dat Guy]

31 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

Your first language isn't something you'll be using later on.

 

Of course it is, unless you want to have quick results which will be useless in your later programming career. If you choose a language as your first language which you don't plan to ever use again, you're effectively wasting time.

 

31 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

I started with SCHEME. (...) It's extremely limited.

 

No, it's not. You're doing it wrong.

[JoostinOnline]

6 minutes ago, Dat Guy said:

 

Of course it is, unless you want to have quick results which will be useless in your later programming career. If you choose a language as your first language which you don't plan to ever use again, you're effectively wasting time.

 

 

No, it's not. You're doing it wrong.

Programs like Scheme are designed for one thing: to teach.  Find me one complex program that's written in Scheme.  Or Python, for that matter.

 

The lessons you learn from those languages carry over to others.  You can go from Java to C without much adjustment.

[Dat Guy]

1 minute ago, JoostinOnline said:

Programs like Scheme are designed for one thing: to teach.

Pascal, Go and Python are. Scheme is not.

 

1 minute ago, JoostinOnline said:

 Find me one complex program that's written in SCHEME.

Scheme is the language of GNU Guile, so, basically, large parts of GIMP. Other than that, it depends what you call "complex".

 

1 minute ago, JoostinOnline said:

  Or Python, for that matter.

OpenStack.

[JoostinOnline]

5 minutes ago, Dat Guy said:

Pascal, Go and Python are. Scheme is not.

 

Scheme is the language of GNU Guile, so, basically, large parts of GIMP. Other than that, it depends what you call "complex".

 

OpenStack.

That's like saying a C program is written in assembly because some of the libraries it uses are written in assembly.  GIMP uses GTK+ and C so it doesn't have to bother with Scheme.

 

When I switched to Java (and then C), it was a breath of fresh air.  Scheme is a minimalist language by design.

 

I don't think we're going to agree though, so let's just let it go.