oculus rift Head of Computer Vision at Oculus VR arrested in Child Sex Sting

[Guest Kloaked]

Just now, Misanthrope said:

So you're wrong too cause you agree with everything I said so far? I'm extremely confused right now.

OMG DUDE SERIOUSLY? WOOOOOW

 

I'm just pointing out that this happens a lot when people agree on the same points but get lost in sensational terminology - and sometimes people will just argue for the sake of arguing. <3

[Memories4K]

2 hours ago, Prysin said:

Just wait until we get Japanese game makers onto the rift store 

lmao, for context to many of you reading, the Japanese seem to be more open with their love of children and/or child-like imitation. Google 'loli' or 'loli memes'.

14 minutes ago, The Benjamins said:

A loli is a girl that is small(short) with generally small breast size. Loli is not age dependent directly. The term is very mixed though. Like the term true loli, small and under age, and legal loli, small but of age. So what do you mean by lolicons? 

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14 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

Dude what? Yes it does. The age of consent is 18 in the USA - if you're over that age and you get in bed with a minor (less than 18 years of age) then you can be considered a statutory rapist. Someone I'm close to married a man who did that to a 15 year old girl (he swears he didn't know she was 15 but that's always the story) and he had to register as a sex offender and report to a law enforcement officer every so often - and he has to hold a job with his agreement. He got off lucky as far as I'm concerned.

 

This has nothing to do with biology. Dude is guilty of statutory rape if what is being said is true. Defining him as a pedophile is debatable but he will have to register as a sex offender if he's found guilty.

Age of consent varies from state to state, i live in a place where if he had just waited one more year until the minor was 16, sex would be completely legal. There are other states where age of consent is 18 or 17. Not trying to condone anything, but that is the actual truth. Not really arguing your point on statutory rape, the law is the law, just clarifying.

Defining him as a pedophile is not even debatable, he'd be classified as an ephebophile (i think) for this instance, which is an attraction to an age range of 15-19.

 

I'ma be real with you lads, this doesn't affect my view on The Rift in any way, shape, or form. It's not as if the company condoned this, it's a personal matter.

Also, it's not like i was planning on getting The Rift anyway lmao

 

EDIT: It's kinda like the Subway/Jared scandal (Except nowhere near as bad) it's not as if i'm going to stop eating at Subway just because their spokesperson got caught doing something illegal. It's only if i found out that the company knew and didn't contribute to the arrest in any way that i would hold them accountable in some form.

[Guest Kloaked]

Just now, Memories4K said:

I'ma be real with you lads, this doesn't affect my view on The Rift in any way, shape, or form. It's not as if the company condoned this, it's a personal matter.

Also, it's not like i was planning on getting The Rift anyway lmao

Wow you've gotta be kidding me. You'll support a company that condones pedophilia?

wtf???

 

/s

[Misanthrope]

4 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

EDIT: It's kinda like the Subway/Jared scandal (Except nowhere near as bad) it's not as if i'm going to stop eating at Subway just because their spokesperson got caught doing something illegal. It's only if i found out that the company knew and didn't contribute to the arrest in any way that i would hold them accountable in some form.

If people where using this criteria the Catholic Church would not exist anymore at this point but alas, some people would overlook even direct company cover ups.

[goodtofufriday]

10 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

lmao, for context to many of you reading, the Japanese seem to be more open with their love of children and/or child-like imitation. Google 'loli' or 'loli memes'.

 

No dont google this anyone.

[LAwLz]

3 hours ago, Prysin said:

Just wait until we get Japanese game makers onto the rift store 

The PC-police will not allow it.

"Think of the virtual children!"

 

 

 

That feel when you wrote a really long post then accidentally press the back button on your mouse, and only 2 lines is restored by the auto save feature...

 

You know what's disgusting about this case? The way the police acted. I have no problem saying that this guy does not deserve to be punished, solely because of how the police acted (in my opinion).

 

It seems like this took place in Washington (basing on that West Valley Hwy is mentioned) and the age of consent there is 16. This will be important later.

 

According to the transcript, the girl lied about her age to begin with. The ad he replied to was labeled as a 19 year old girl. He initiated the conversation believing that he was talking to a 19 year old girl. He was actively looking for people over the age of consent. For all we know, he might just have been a lonely guy looking for a 19 year old to pretend to be his girlfriend for the night (the order he placed was for girlfriend roleplay, with sleepover).

 

It was not until after a few hours of talking that the "girl" said "Can I be honest with you? [...] [I'm] a little younger than my ad says but I promise u won't be disappointed". Again, for all we know he never had the intention of having sex with underage girls, but after having gone though the trouble of finding a cute girl who were willing to pretend to be his girlfriend he might just have thought "well it's just a 1 year difference, and I've already come this far" and just gone with it.

 

Now, some people disagreed when I said the FBI hosting, improving and encouraging people to use child porn websites could have been defined as entrapment, but when the police is pretending to be girls who lie about being over the age of consent? Come the fuck on... If that's not entrapment then it is most certainly walking the line.

 

 

I don't know what I think is most disgusting, the way the guy continued to talk even after he realized he was talking to an "underage girl", or how the police acted.

[Memories4K]

6 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

The PC-police will not allow it.

"Think of the virtual children!"

 

 

 

That feel when you wrote a really long post then accidentally press the back button on your mouse, and only 2 lines is restored by the auto save feature...

 

You know what's disgusting about this case? The way the police acted. I have no problem saying that this guy does not deserve to be punished, solely because of how the police acted (in my opinion).

 

It seems like this took place in Washington (basing on that West Valley Hwy is mentioned) and the age of consent there is 16. This will be important later.

 

According to the transcript, the girl lied about her age to begin with. The ad he replied to was labeled as a 19 year old girl. He initiated the conversation believing that he was talking to a 19 year old girl. He was actively looking for people over the age of consent. For all we know, he might just have been a lonely guy looking for a 19 year old to pretend to be his girlfriend for the night (the order he placed was for girlfriend roleplay, with sleepover).

 

It was not until after a few hours of talking that the "girl" said "Can I be honest with you? [...] [I'm] a little younger than my ad says but I promise u won't be disappointed". Again, for all we know he never had the intention of having sex with underage girls, but after having gone though the trouble of finding a cute girl who were willing to pretend to be his girlfriend he might just have thought "well it's just a 1 year difference, and I've already come this far" and just gone with it.

 

Now, some people disagreed when I said the FBI hosting, improving and encouraging people to use child porn websites could have been defined as entrapment, but when the police is pretending to be girls who lie about being over the age of consent? Come the fuck on... If that's not entrapment then it is most certainly walking the line.

 

 

I don't know what I think is most disgusting, the way the guy continued to talk even after he realized he was talking to an "underage girl", or how the police acted.

Lmao gonna have to get all my VR H-games from the devs themselves.

Although, Valve is pushing VR pretty hard and it's not like they don't currently have a selection of degenerate Chinese-Cartoon games/dating sims.

I agree with you that the arrest was extremely shady and i don't like it one bit, but the law is still the law.
I mean after saying she was underage, who knows what his intentions really were, after hearing she was 15 maybe he did try to help her out and worried about why a 15-year old would be doing this, alone.
But him leaving his phone on airplane mode (Why? If you intended to help this girl, then why?) and not calling the police only looks bad on him.

[Sakkura]

1 hour ago, Kloaked said:

Dude what? Yes it does. The age of consent is 18 in the USA

Actually the most common age of consent in the US is 16, but it varies by state. It used to be 14 in Hawaii.

[Guest Kloaked]

Just now, Sakkura said:

Actually the most common age of consent in the US is 16, but it varies by state. It used to be 14 in Hawaii.

I was intentionally being a know-it-all dick in that post

[tlink]

3 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

Have you not read the transcript? He was there for one thing and one thing only, he knew where, when and why and quite honesly I hope they stick him in a cell with a homosexual who has a 16" dick and loves to rape his cell mates.

 

Fucking pedos, nothing gets me more angry.

he's not a pedo. pedophiles are attracted to prepubescent humans. then there is 11 to 14 which is hebophilia i think, and 15 to 18 which is ephebophile like i already said. there also is elderly people but im not sure how that chronophilia is called. it's actually pretty natural to be attracted to late adolescents, dick swaab even said that everyone is attracted to underage people in some degree, we just suppress it because we don't find it ethical. the chronophilias are a mental illness for exactly the same reason homosexuality/transgender etc was considered a mental illnes, we didn't think it was ethical so it caused problems for those people that they felt that way. and no i'm absolutely not saying that it should be ethical, just stating the facts around it to clear stigma. We should be more open to people coming out as chronophiles, because thats the only way we can effectively prevent childmolestion. by being the angry and hurtful person you are now you're essentially with all the other people who respond like that pushing kids into the hands of child molesters. (don't take that the wrong way, i know you mean well and that is exactly why i'm explaining this, to help you prevent child rape). the only real way to prevent stuff like this is by opening our arms to these people and saying; "hey, we see that its hard and its okay to talk about those feelings, don't bottle them up because then you'll do things that are not okay.". for anyone more interested in things surrounding this here is a link to pedophiles against child molestation: http://www.virped.org/

[tlink]

1 hour ago, Sakkura said:

Actually the most common age of consent in the US is 16, but it varies by state. It used to be 14 in Hawaii.

technically age of consent here is 16, but sex is allowed after 12 if both party´s are within a certain age range and parents are okay with it.

[Sniperfox47]

14 minutes ago, tlink said:

~snip~

So much this. Being attracted to post-pubescent girls (15) is kind of the opposite of the definition of pedophile... I'm not saying the way he acted was right, but the sensationalist misuse of labels is increadibly harmful to the communities associated with the label.

 

Pedophile is not the same thing as child rapist is not the same thing as statutory rapist.

[Memories4K]

1 hour ago, tlink said:

dick swaab 

I googled this because i thought you were memeing us for a second (Like that 'Bofa, Bofa Deeznuts' meme) but no.

There is a neurobiologist out there named Dick Swaab.

50 minutes ago, Sniperfox47 said:

So much this. Being attracted to post-pubescent girls (15) is kind of the opposite of the definition of pedophile... I'm not saying the way he acted was right, but the sensationalist misuse of labels is increadibly harmful to the communities associated with the label.

 

Pedophile is not the same thing as child rapist is not the same thing as statutory rapist.

It's part of broad society and lack of information, really.

Terms like hebephile, ephebophile, gerontophile, etc. are not really popular terms and haven't quite hit the mainstream, so i can understand why most people would get it wrong but yeah not at all the same.

[rawrdaysgoby]

The age of consent in the usa is around 16-18... And being sexually attracted to people ages 14-15 is really not a big deal because in the past people use to get married at the age of 12-14... it was then perfectly common so I don't see anything wrong being sexually attracted to those ages is so called "wrong". Now it would just be a crime because the country said it is BUT age of consent in JAPAN is 13......  being sexually attracted to those below the age of 9 then you might have problems. But there are people that does look like they are 14 but in fact are the age of 18-20 a lot of the times...  If he was in Japan then the whole story would be different to bad he lives in the USA....  

[Sniperfox47]

2 minutes ago, rawrdaysgoby said:

The age of consent in the usa is around 16-18... And being sexually attracted to people ages 14-15 is really not a big deal because in the past people use to get married at the age of 12-14... it was then perfectly common so I don't see anything wrong being sexually attracted to those ages is so called "wrong". Now it would just be a crime because the country said it is BUT age of consent in JAPAN is 13......  being sexually attracted to those below the age of 9 then you might have problems. But there are people that does look like they are 14 but in fact are the age of 18-20 a lot of the times...  If he was in Japan then the whole story would be different to bad he lives in the USA....  

That's not really saying much... Keep in mind that you're saying he'd be okay if he was in a country that has a huge problem with high school girls taking prostitution jobs to make some cash on the side. It's not like Japan has this whole age of consent thing figured out either. As long as we set the legal bar of "mental/sexual maturity" based on the age of a person, it's going to have issues.

[tlink]

30 minutes ago, rawrdaysgoby said:

The age of consent in the usa is around 16-18... And being sexually attracted to people ages 14-15 is really not a big deal because in the past people use to get married at the age of 12-14... it was then perfectly common so I don't see anything wrong being sexually attracted to those ages is so called "wrong". Now it would just be a crime because the country said it is BUT age of consent in JAPAN is 13......  being sexually attracted to those below the age of 9 then you might have problems. But there are people that does look like they are 14 but in fact are the age of 18-20 a lot of the times...  If he was in Japan then the whole story would be different to bad he lives in the USA....  

well i do think its a big deal because its very easy to misuse someone like that, my ex girlfriend was horribly abused in her childhood from a young age by her dad and the only way she learned to get positive attention was by having sex with elderly men, she essentially became like a sexslave to them while she most of the time was completely wasted on jack daniels and cocaine and stuff like that. someone at a young age often doesn't know about the dangers in society because a lot of parents and company's try to keep innocent little kids from stuff like that. if that was society's fault or the people who misused her mental illness is up for debate, maybe of society changed there would be an acceptable way to make it work but i personally just don't see a society where that could exist. but that might just be my shortsightedness. the point im trying to make is that kids and teens often just are not mentally capable of overseeing the consequences and impact of things they do, the brain is in development until 21 and is extremely unstable during that time. it would in my eyes often be like having sex with someone who is completely wasted. yea sure they might have muttered yes or something but that doesn't mean they have the mental competence to judge on it, and i think most of them just don't have that competence hence why its banned.

[Memories4K]

24 minutes ago, tlink said:

well i do think its a big deal because its very easy to misuse someone like that, my ex girlfriend was horribly abused in her childhood from a young age by her dad and the only way she learned to get positive attention was by having sex with elderly men, she essentially became like a sexslave to them while she most of the time was completely wasted on jack daniels and cocaine and stuff like that. someone at a young age often doesn't know about the dangers in society because a lot of parents and company's try to keep innocent little kids from stuff like that. if that was society's fault or the people who misused her mental illness is up for debate, maybe of society changed there would be an acceptable way to make it work but i personally just don't see a society where that could exist. but that might just be my shortsightedness. the point im trying to make is that kids and teens often just are not mentally capable of overseeing the consequences and impact of things they do, the brain is in development until 21 and is extremely unstable during that time. it would in my eyes often be like having sex with someone who is completely wasted. yea sure they might have muttered yes or something but that doesn't mean they have the mental competence to judge on it, and i think most of them just don't have that competence hence why its banned.

The human brain doesn't stop developing until around the mid-20s.

So unless you're suggesting we should raise the age of consent to 25, it's not exactly something easy to counter; balancing freedom and safety.

"the point im trying to make is that kids and teens often just are not mentally capable of overseeing the consequences and impact of things they do"

That's what we're saying: Exactly what is the solution here? There's such a wide-discrepancy and that's the harsh reality of making laws based on moral reasons is that morality is subjective, but nobody would feel right about 25 despite that being a more safe zone for consent. Either basing their morality on the law or what is usual to their environment ( Ex. "I like 16 being the age of consent because that's how i grew up/have lived, any older is prudish and restrictive")

 

Regardless, Katz (most likely) knowingly broke the law and he's going to face charges for that.

[tlink]

1 minute ago, Memories4K said:

The human brain doesn't stop developing until around the mid-20s.

So unless you're suggesting we should raise the age of consent to 25, it's not exactly something easy to counter; balancing freedom and safety.

"the point im trying to make is that kids and teens often just are not mentally capable of overseeing the consequences and impact of things they do"

That's what we're saying: Exactly what is the solution here? There's such a wide-discrepancy and that's the harsh reality of making laws based on moral reasons is that morality is subjective, but nobody would feel right about 25 despite that being a more safe zone for consent. Either basing their morality on the law or what is usual to their environment ( Ex. "I like 16 being the age of consent because that's how i grew up/have lived, any older is prudish and restrictive")

 

Regardless, Katz (most likely) knowingly broke the law and he's going to face charges for that.

yes im not saying that the age of consent should be THAT high but that it should be surrounded by some sensible protective laws, which should be researched properly. how those laws should look i don't know, i kinda like the idea of people within a certain age range being allowed to have sex with eachother if parents are okay with it until 16-18ish. sure that still sucks in some situations but its the middle road between freedom and safety imo.

[ChineseChef]

2 minutes ago, tlink said:

yes im not saying that the age of consent should be THAT high but that it should be surrounded by some sensible protective laws, which should be researched properly. how those laws should look i don't know, i kinda like the idea of people within a certain age range being allowed to have sex with eachother if parents are okay with it until 16-18ish. sure that still sucks in some situations but its the middle road between freedom and safety imo.

I'm curious why you think the parents should have any say at all?  Often parents use such age restrictions purely for vindictive reasons, to punish one party or the other.  And if society decides that age of X is the cutoff age, why should parents be able to change that?  Either we agree based on science, or we agree based on the opinion of the masses, but in either case, we have decided that the laws are what matter, not individual opinions.

 

I also agree that there should be a "everyone over age X is fair game", "anyone under age X can only have sexual relations with those within +/-Y years of their age".

[sof006]

Woaahhhh what the FUCK... Haha thats messed up.

[LAwLz]

24 minutes ago, rawrdaysgoby said:

The age of consent in the usa is around 16-18... And being sexually attracted to people ages 14-15 is really not a big deal because in the past people use to get married at the age of 12-14... it was then perfectly common so I don't see anything wrong being sexually attracted to those ages is so called "wrong". Now it would just be a crime because the country said it is BUT age of consent in JAPAN is 13......  being sexually attracted to those below the age of 9 then you might have problems. But there are people that does look like they are 14 but in fact are the age of 18-20 a lot of the times...  If he was in Japan then the whole story would be different to bad he lives in the USA....  

Fun fact: The Japanese laws regarding age of consent are far more complex than in western countries and the whole "age of consent in Japan is 13" comes from a very large generalization which is mostly based on the law which states that it is OK for two 13 year olds in Japan to have sex. However, it would not be legal for a 18 year old man to have sex with a female under 14.

 

The Japanese age of consent doesn't really exist because they have a completely different system from what we have in the west. In the west it's "as soon as you turn X then it is OK to fuck or be fucked by anyone who is also X or above".

In Japan the age of both parties matters (so for example two 13 year olds can have sex with each other, but a 20 year old man who had sex with a 14 year old girl will get punished with a light sentence). Not only that, but there are a lot more case-by-case rulings, and even the parents words can determine if something is legal or not.

Japan kind of has three ages of consent.

13 - The de jure.

18 - The most common age of consent in practice (different areas of Japan has different laws).

20 - The strict age of consent where it is not up for any interpretations, local laws or things gets looked at on a case-by-case basis.

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Memories4K said:

That's what we're saying: Exactly what is the solution here? There's such a wide-discrepancy and that's the harsh reality of making laws based on moral reasons is that morality is subjective, but nobody would feel right about 25 despite that being a more safe zone for consent. Either basing their morality on the law or what is usual to their environment ( Ex. "I like 16 being the age of consent because that's how i grew up/have lived, any older is prudish and restrictive")

I think 15, like we have in Sweden, seems pretty fair. The whole thing is a non-issue in my eyes. I remember when I was 15, everyone was talking about finally being allowed to have sex. The few that did at that age did it with people of similar age. It was never like a 30 year old man going around fucking a bunch of 15 year olds. Even if it is legal, it is very frowned upon and people don't do it for social and moral reasons.

If you are worried that that situation would happen, just set the age of consent to 15 and then have a "only if the other person isn't more than X years older".

 

Just set it to 15, and then focus a lot on education. Give out free condoms to 15 year olds (we got handed condoms in class). It only becomes a problem when you set the age of consent too high (like 18, which no horny 15 year old will take seriously) or when you don't teach the kids to have safe sex (like in some US states where it is illegal for a teacher to show how to put a condom on properly).

[Memories4K]

9 minutes ago, tlink said:

yes im not saying that the age of consent should be THAT high but that it should be surrounded by some sensible protective laws, which should be researched properly. how those laws should look i don't know, i kinda like the idea of people within a certain age range being allowed to have sex with eachother if parents are okay with it until 16-18ish. sure that still sucks in some situations but its the middle road between freedom and safety imo.

"yes im not saying that the age of consent should be THAT high"

Why are you putting so much emphasis? It's only 25 hahaha

"if parents are okay with it until 16-18ish"

No but see this is exactly what i mean. Why did you choose 16-18ish?
The human brain isn't fully developed until around the mid 20s to early 30s, what criteria led you to believe that 16-18ish is the optimal time?

(I swear i'm not trying to be a dick, but this is good for discussion. Why people believe certain things and choose certain things.)

 

 

7 minutes ago, ChineseChef said:

 Either we agree based on science, or we agree based on the opinion of the masses, but in either case, we have decided that the laws are what matter, not individual opinions.

 

I also agree that there should be a "everyone over age X is fair game", "anyone under age X can only have sexual relations with those within +/-Y years of their age".

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[tlink]

1 minute ago, ChineseChef said:

I'm curious why you think the parents should have any say at all?  Often parents use such age restrictions purely for vindictive reasons, to punish one party or the other.  And if society decides that age of X is the cutoff age, why should parents be able to change that?  Either we agree based on science, or we agree based on the opinion of the masses, but in either case, we have decided that the laws are what matter, not individual opinions.

 

I also agree that there should be a "everyone over age X is fair game", "anyone under age X can only have sexual relations with those within +/-Y years of their age".

you can't agree based on science, science doesn't have an opinion. you can agree on the logic conclusion from an ethical standpoint, but that isn't science . what i meant by researching it is by making a statistical analysis of what age people start to 'mature sexually' enough that sexual exploitation is below a certain threshold (what that treshold should be again is ethical and up for debate). and why i think that parents should be able to override that is because statistics should never override an individual, some kids just age really fast, some don't. i just think that a parent can judge this the most accurately, so we have like a equal distribution or tollerance system for ages of consent judged by parents with the state protecting the extremes. i mainly think this way because nobody would want to be judged by how said person is categorized, we should judge people by how they are as a person. it would be like putting every depressed person on the same medication without looking at their medical files. or specific atributes of that depression. the state just doesn't have the overreach to look into the files, but the parents do. 

[Memories4K]

3 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

It only becomes a problem when you set the age of consent too high (like 18, which no horny 15 year old will take seriously) or when you don't teach the kids to have safe sex (like in some US states where it is illegal for a teacher to show how to put a condom on properly).

That's another thing, kids will have sex with other kids regardless of the legal age of consent.

I remember being 15 in high school not too long ago, i don't know what it was like for previous generations but it was a very sexually immature yet sexually free time.

I think a great solution is, yes, proper sexual education. (No doubt the argument will come up on who's responsibility it is: The parent/s or the state to sexually educate, let me save you the trouble for myself. I believe the state should.)
The more educated kids are (Abstinence is ok, so long as it's not propaganda. It's only smart to engage in sex with others who have lower sex partners to reduce the chance for STDs/STIs, or to better find ideal mates.) i believe the more kids will benefit and make better decisions about their own sexual health.

[tlink]

4 minutes ago, Memories4K said:

"yes im not saying that the age of consent should be THAT high"

Why are you putting so much emphasis? It's only 25 hahaha

"if parents are okay with it until 16-18ish"

No but see this is exactly what i mean. Why did you choose 16-18ish?
The human brain isn't fully developed until around the mid 20s to early 30s, what criteria led you to believe that 16-18ish is the optimal time?

(I swear i'm not trying to be a dick, but this is good for discussion. Why people believe certain things and choose certain things.)

 

 

^

i chose 16-18 ish because thats the current societal norm, i am all for more research into it but any result is just going to be probibility statistics, we would still have to chose some point where we think the freedom outbalances the risk, which is inherintly an ethical decision. like i said, science doesn't have an opinion, it just tells us facts. what we do with those facts is purely ethical and what the law is and always shall be.