Putin directly involved with US Hack

[stconquest]

1 minute ago, Trik'Stari said:

Oh I know for a fact we do, I'm from the south. We also have plenty of people who think that the white race is a scourge upon humanity and actively advocate in colleges for them to be eradicated. We even have college students pushing for segregated housing that bans white people because "white people are violent and toxic.".

 

Not to mention that your entire argument is predicated upon attacking the people making the argument and not what they said (which was stupid, I'll admit). Try actually attacking the argument itself, not the person making it.

 

Please, do not try to act like the left is completely clean and golden and morally superior in every way. They are FAR from it.

I said nothing of the left.  All you man.

[Guest Kloaked]

Just now, stconquest said:

Huh?

Racism is not rampant.

 

Or my The Young Turks comment? Either way you're

 

[stconquest]

2 minutes ago, Kloaked said:

Racism is not rampant.

 

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Nope, you are right...

 

Bigotry is systemic in many sub-cultures in the USA.  You even elected a bigot as president.  <<Yes you did.

[Trik'Stari]

Just now, stconquest said:

I said nothing of the left.  All you man.

I was assuming you are left leaning, based on you jumping straight to racism, which is what the left has been doing for quite some time now. They can't seem to stop whipping that particularly dead horse.

You should check out Sargon if you can. He describes himself as a "classical liberal". I quite like him despite disagreeing with some of his political ideas. But I respect his methodology of actually pointing out the problems with the arguments that leftists and right-wingers make.

[Guest Kloaked]

Just now, stconquest said:

Nope, you are right...

 

Bigotry is systemic in many sub-cultures in the USA.

Bigotry != Racism

 

I would agree that bigotry is rampant, but not racism. Just so that I'm clear, I'm not saying there aren't any racists here. I'm saying racism isn't as big of a problem that people like to say it is. Most people don't give two shits about what you look like or who you have sex with - if you're a nice person you will more than likely have people be nice back to you. If you're a dick, expect people to be a dick back to you.

[Trik'Stari]

1 minute ago, stconquest said:

Nope, you are right...

 

Bigotry is systemic in many sub-cultures in the USA.  You even elected a bigot as president.  <<Yes you did.

Tell me, who has laws protecting them? I know it's not white people or men. I can guarantee you that.

 

Perhaps, people have legitimate concerns and are tired of being vilified, silenced, demeaned, and threatened for having them, by the left. And perhaps, that is why the election went the way it did. Because the left has simply alienated too many people.

 

But by all means, continue burying your head in the sand.

[stconquest]

Just now, Trik'Stari said:

I was assuming you are left leaning, based on you jumping straight to racism, which is what the left has been doing for quite some time now. They can't seem to stop whipping that particularly dead horse.

You should check out Sargon if you can. He describes himself as a "classical liberal". I quite like him despite disagreeing with some of his political ideas. But I respect his methodology of actually pointing out the problems with the arguments that leftists and right-wingers make.

I was actually leaning to the right as I read your comment. 

 

I never jumped to racism.  I indicated there was a level of discriminatory bias towards the POTUS based on his skin color.  The same way I have a bias regarding Trump.  The difference is my arguments make at least some sense where his did not.

[Trik'Stari]

2 minutes ago, stconquest said:

I was actually leaning to the right as I read your comment. 

 

I never jumped to racism.  I indicated there was a level of discriminatory bias towards the POTUS based on his skin color.  The same way I have a bias regarding Trump.  The difference is my arguments make at least some sense where his did not.

Fair enough. And indeed there was. I know I didn't like Obama because of his policies. I don't like all of the policies of the right either.

 

I like capitalism, (which is better than pure "socialism", which always just becomes communism because it concentrates too much power) but I'd like to see socially beneficial capitalism. Not the "every man for himself and fuck everyone else" "capitalism" (corporatism) that we have today.

[stconquest]

4 minutes ago, Trik'Stari said:

Tell me, who has laws protecting them? I know it's not white people or men. I can guarantee you that.

 

Perhaps, people have legitimate concerns and are tired of being vilified, silenced, demeaned, and threatened for having them, by the left. And perhaps, that is why the election went the way it did. Because the left has simply alienated too many people.

 

But by all means, continue burying your head in the sand.

I'm a victim!  *stop resisting

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/black-man-frankie-taylor-eastpointe-michigan-blind-beaten-police-tied-chair-dui-alleged-a7463541.html

[plsno]

Thank you Putin for helping Trump get elected.

 

It's been quite amusing watching all of these Americans flip out over this. 'Cause our country hasn't spent that like 70ish years doing this shit in dozens of countries throughout the world. How dare a foreign power sway our election to their benefit. Crimea river.

 

It's going to be hilarious if all they've done is leak some dnc and clinton campaign emails. Knowing what one of your political parties and candidate really think is such a terrible thing.

[Trik'Stari]

Just now, stconquest said:

I'm a victim!  *stop resisting

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/black-man-frankie-taylor-eastpointe-michigan-blind-beaten-police-tied-chair-dui-alleged-a7463541.html

Anecdotal evidence does not equate to "systemic inherent racism". Considering the fact that said victim is going to make buku money off of that lawsuit, and that those "law enforcement officers" are going to at the least, lose their jobs, would suggest otherwise in fact.

[stconquest]

Just now, Trik'Stari said:

Anecdotal evidence does not equate to "systemic inherent racism". Considering the fact that said victim is going to make buku money off of that lawsuit, and that those "law enforcement officers" are going to at the least, lose their jobs, would suggest otherwise in fact.

I can start posting more, probably in the hundreds.

 

This is not anecdotal, it is systemic.  I know it may appear anecdotal to you... head meet sand.

[Trik'Stari]

2 minutes ago, noobadin said:

It's going to be hilarious if all they've done is leak some dnc and clinton campaign emails. Knowing what one of your political parties and candidate really think is such a terrible thing.

that's all they've really alleged as far as I know.

 

And to be honest, I agree. Knowing what the parties and candidates are actually doing and thinking would be a great thing. Which is why I think we need to restrict the rights of people in power. They're volunteering for the job after all, no one is forcing them to run for office.

[Trik'Stari]

1 minute ago, stconquest said:

I can start posting more, probably in the hundreds.

 

This is not anecdotal, it is systemic.  I know it may appear anecdotal to you... head meet sand.

Tell me how it's systemic? "Small group of cops beats up black man", does not equal "all cops are racist"

[stconquest]

3 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

Tell me how it's systemic? "Small group of cops beats up black man", does not equal "all cops are racist"

Again, strawman.

 

It is an accepted form of behaviour.  How many officers do you see in the video?  Are you telling me all of them are willing to do what the assailing officer did?  Probably not, meaning they accept this form of behaviour even though they know it is wrong.

 

Let's do a popular one.  How does an officer murdering an unarmed 12 year old within seconds of arriving on scene and get away with it?  It is accepted that a fellow officer has to be protected at all costs in many precincts, not just in the USA but also around the world.

 

Have you never had a friend that always looked for trouble, expecting you to defend him/her at all cost?  Have you ever been such a friend to demand that type of loyalty?

 

Hey @Trik'Stari  My argument that the birther movement was fueled by the colour of Obama's skin is a weak one, but not entirely untrue.  Bigotry for whatever reason was fueling it.  Maybe because of his name, maybe because of democratic-ness.... maybe all of the above.

 

It would be nice to see Trump get kicked out of office... at least for someone like me.  Just desserts and all.

[Albatross]

So, have they decided to share with us this evidence to undeniably proves Russia, or rather Putin, directly involved himself with the hacks?

[Misanthrope]

3 hours ago, stconquest said:

I can start posting more, probably in the hundreds.

 

This is not anecdotal, it is systemic.  I know it may appear anecdotal to you... head meet sand.

As such you shouldn't have problem presenting one, clear, easy to very and easy to point out at example.

 

Just one. Help I'll even help you: The police. That's systemic racism right there since we know they do racial profiling and we know racism is widespread throughout many precincts (Pay attention @Trik'Stari because you're being dissengenious preemptively dismissing this as isolated cases. Doesn't matters if it's justified, if it's not a large trend throughout the country, there IS racism in the police forces and since they're an institution it is, defacto, institutionalized racism)

 

Not that this is necessarily what you're doing but people give no credit to your arguments because the "Educate yourself shitlord" response is so damn common: the left is becoming intellectually lazy in the extreme at times.

[stconquest]

9 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

As such you shouldn't have problem presenting one, clear, easy to very and easy to point out at example.

 

Just one. Help I'll even help you: The police. That's systemic racism right there since we know they do racial profiling and we know racism is widespread throughout many precincts (Pay attention @Trik'Stari because you're being dissengenious preemptively asserting this are isolated cases. Doesn't matters if it's justified, if it's not a large trend throughout the country, there IS racism in the police forces and since they're an institution it is, defacto, institutionalized racism)

 

Not that this is necessarily what you're doing but people give no credit to your arguments because the "Educate yourself shitlord" response is so damn common: the left is becoming intellectually lazy in the extreme at times.

Well, I was focusing strictly on the evidence I presented.  The officers, watching and assisting with no effort to do the right thing is indicative of a systemic failure of policing ethics... it is outright against the law.

 

I would never let a fellow officer do that in front of me, I grew out of the bystander phase in my twenties... I know, I am a slow learner. 

 

No word of a lie.  The moment I got out of the precinct after I had my first (and only) ever beating at the hands of officers, my first thought was how often do they do this and how many people do not get released within 24 hours while brandishing four charges of assault against them.  All I did was stand still and silently take punches that I knew were coming at me.

[Tech_Dreamer]

The new NEWS spreading titles  Feds & CIA agrees on the idea that Russia did its part in interfering , This was based on the  apparently "leaked" memo went out from CIA Director John Brennan to the agency's workforce , with this excerpt as the anchoring point

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"There is strong consensus among us on the scope, nature and intent of Russian interference in our presidential election."

Apparently , for the MSM , This is an "evidence" , There was no talk about an evidence of a direct influence is lacking ,

 

This seems as  a finger pointing scenario where there is the assumption is Russian backed & lead hackers did this & they're starting to twist Wikileaks integrity into it ,

the Left is gonna use this as an excuse for the rest of the month until they get bored

 

#StraightFromTheChurchorElseBlasphemy  Link >>

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-blames-putins-personal-grudge-against-her-for-election-interference/2016/12/16/12f36250-c3be-11e6-8422-eac61c0ef74d_story.html

[TidaLWaveZ]

@stconquest You need to stay away from the race and gender studies courses, they're drowning your brain with nonsense.

[stconquest]

1 hour ago, TidaLWaveZ said:

@stconquest You need to stay away from the race and gender studies courses, they're drowning your brain with nonsense.

Do you have any actual argument or point of contention, or just frivolous insults?

 

I remember you calling me misogynistic and something other in another thread for absolutely ridiculously unfounded reasons.  Is this a regular habit for you to insult anyone that does not consign to conservative propaganda, regardless of the subject matter?

 

I guess what it boils down it is asking if your post was necessary at all?  Don't worry, I post unnecessarily at times as well. 

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad hominem 

[TidaLWaveZ]

1 hour ago, stconquest said:

Do you have any actual argument or point of contention, or just frivolous insults?

 

I remember you calling me misogynistic and something other in another thread for absolutely ridiculously unfounded reasons.  Is this a regular habit for you to insult anyone that does not consign to conservative propaganda, regardless of the subject matter?

 

I guess what it boils down it is asking if your post was necessary at all?  Don't worry, I post unnecessarily at times as well. 

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad hominem 

It's not an insult, I don't believe in widespread institutional sexism and racism in America. I also called you misogynistic because you were taking a liberal side and then started telling people something along the lines of keep sucking Trump's dick. It's not unnecessary and I've given you the benefit of the doubt for too long and now I just realize you're going to continue to spew obnoxious, toxic, garbage. 

[stconquest]

1 minute ago, TidaLWaveZ said:

It's not an insult, I don't believe in widespread institutional sexism and racism in America. I also called you misogynistic because you were taking a liberal side and then started telling people something along the lines of keep sucking Trump's dick. It's not unnecessary and I've given you the benefit of the doubt for too long and now I just realize you're going to continue to spew obnoxious, toxic, garbage. 

So what is your big plan to stop my apparent spewing of obnoxious and toxic garbage? 

[TidaLWaveZ]

Just now, stconquest said:

So what is your big plan to stop my apparent spewing of obnoxious and toxic garbage? 

No plan, I just gave you credit assuming that now and then you might actually say something worth while. At this point I choose not to bother with your comments.

[stconquest]

1 minute ago, TidaLWaveZ said:

No plan, I just gave you credit assuming that now and then you might actually say something worth while. At this point I choose not to bother with your comments.

Wait...wait... I have not received any such credit from you.  Is it in the mail?  Please, don't ignore me.  My life is ruined.