hypothetically

[Curious Pineapple]

http://***.*********.***.**.com

 

Try there

[SpaceGhostC2C]

3 minutes ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

you can get charges against you for torrenting movies and such in Sweden, not small ones either IIRC like $200 or something. they are not activly monitoring all trafic but if someone reports it and shit you can still get a fine for having torrented a movie or something. the Swedish goverment shut down a common free movie streaming site and are now running it to catch people who sign up for free accounts to watch movies. i just kinda want to move to Romania where there is basically no rules around this stuff lol

But that's exactly the point: they were torrenting, therefore, they were uploading. A lot of people got into trouble for thinking that as long as they "leech", they are just downloading, when it's not the case, because you are also uploading the incomplete bits you have as you download. The fine and everything you mentioned is tied to the fact that, even if only for a few seconds, people were getting (bits of) files from them.

Digital piracy is always a supply-side crime.

[Bananasplit_00]

1 minute ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

But that's exactly the point: they were torrenting, therefore, they were uploading. A lot of people got into trouble for thinking that as long as they "leech", they are just downloading, when it's not the case, because you are also uploading the incomplete bits you have as you download. The fine and everything you mentioned is tied to the fact that, even if only for a few seconds, people were getting (bits of) files from them.

Digital piracy is always a supply-side crime.

didnt think of that, thats probably how they get them, im glad i was informed of this  well its not like i have torrented anything more then a few Linux distors so im in the clear  

[SmashinMachine]

You don't have to use torrent or some peer2peer shit. If you only download, you make already an illegal copy for yourself. That is enough. 

 

[Bananasplit_00]

1 minute ago, wrathoftheturkey said:

Worse in murca where they actually do monitor it, your ISP sends you a nasty letter telling you if you do it again you'll be prosecuted to the full extent of the law (no consumer rights here in the states)

holy shit thats really messed up. i wouldent go without a VPN in the US lol

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

But that's exactly the point: they were torrenting, therefore, they were uploading.

With some torrenting programs, you can set the max upload speed. So setting it to close-to-zero (zero means go to the max upload speed possible), you might not be uploading any usefull packets, so not really uploading anything usefull. Not sure about this, but it might also be possible to prevent uploads in general.

 

Also, he was asking about hypotehtical (full) copies of games, to download. Everything you have installed or downloaded, has been in some way been copied from the origional. He does not say in his opening post anything about legality. (although many might see it as illegal stuff)

 

There are many different pieces of software out there, which are freeware, or which are trail versions or whatever. Even drivers. Some of those pieces of software, are hosted at VERY slow servers. Using a torrent to get that same file, which is legal to share, WAY faster, is just fine in my opinion.

 

@ illegal content... In my country, downloading illegal stuff is illegal. (duh) However, they aren't that active with busting people who download. They are only going after the bigger uploaders.

 

Finaly, movies... There are LOADS of full movies, or full episodes of series. Some might be uploaded by the content creators (think of topgear maybe?), most of them are uploaded by random people. While watching those movies, you are downloading/recieving a stream/whatever, getting data packets to your computer. While Youtube did not have the right to share this content. Why hasn't youtube been taken down?

[natey_g]

Hypothetically, just buy the game. 

[Gonio]

45 minutes ago, idontknowwhy said:

hypothetically, if there were a site where you could download hypothetically complete copies of hypothetical games, what would this hypothetical site happen to hypothetically be.... this is just a hypothetical question of course..  

Steam, Gog.com for older stuff... But it's not hypothetically since it does all you ask .

 

Ofcourse there is a small fee required, allthough GOG has many nice old school titles that cost nearly nothing. Overall works pretty wel and is adjusted to work on newer windows if they are DOS based.

[straight_stewie]

55 minutes ago, idontknowwhy said:

 

hypothetically, if there were a site where you could download hypothetically complete copies of hypothetical games, what would this hypothetical site happen to hypothetically be.... this is just a hypothetical question of course..  

 

51 minutes ago, idontknowwhy said:

it was only a hypothetical question... I would never download illegal copies of games...

"How do I break the law??" "You mean that's illegal?" "I would never break the law!!!" "psssst! How do I break the law". "If I break the law I'm blaming you!!"

But on the real, there is this awesome place that allows you to download games straight to your computer, and it's completely legal. Wanna know what it is @idontknowwhy?

[SpaceGhostC2C]

1 minute ago, Dutch-stoner said:

With some torrenting programs, you can set the max upload speed. So setting it to close-to-zero (zero means go to the max upload speed possible), you might not be uploading any usefull packets, so not really uploading anything usefull. Not sure about this, but it might also be possible to prevent uploads in general.

Early P2P systems had queue systems to penalize that behavior, but it may be possible. The thing is, you have to be aware and set it appropriately. Leaving everything at defaults will make you upload.

 

2 minutes ago, Dutch-stoner said:

Also, he was asking about hypotehtical (full) copies of games, to download. Everything you have installed or downloaded, has been in some way been copied from the origional. He does not say in his opening post anything about legality. (although many might see it as illegal stuff)

 

There are many different pieces of software out there, which are freeware, or which are trail versions or whatever. Even drivers. Some of those pieces of software, are hosted at VERY slow servers. Using a torrent to get that same file, which is legal to share, WAY faster, is just fine in my opinion.

Yes, but I was only adding to the discussion of what can get you into trouble and what can't. Not violating copyright certainly can't get you into torrent or not. The way in which torrents can get you into trouble is by having someone download a part of copyright protected material from your computer. Other torrenting activities won't.

 

5 minutes ago, Dutch-stoner said:

 

@ illegal content... In my country, downloading illegal stuff is illegal. (duh) However, they aren't that active with busting people who download. They are only going after the bigger uploaders.

Downloading illegal stuff or downloading legal stuff illegally distributed by others? I mean, underage pornography is illegal in itself, but Star Wars VII isn't, the only illegal thing is to distribute it without authorization.

If you are saying that in your country downloading copyright-protected material is illegal, I'm quite skeptical about it, but out of curiosity I must ask which country that is and go check it. It would be very, very unusual, as the crime is copyright violation, and by definition such violation is performed by the supplier. It's not a perfect analogy, but it can be seen a bit like drug dealing: the crime is selling, not buying.

 

11 minutes ago, Dutch-stoner said:

Finaly, movies... There are LOADS of full movies, or full episodes of series. Some might be uploaded by the content creators (think of topgear maybe?), most of them are uploaded by random people. While watching those movies, you are downloading/recieving a stream/whatever, getting data packets to your computer. While Youtube did not have the right to share this content. Why hasn't youtube been taken down?

This is actually a controversial subject, and it boils down to take down policies. Youtube will take down videos reported for copyright infringement, but there is a large debate around whether hosts of third-party uploads are responsible for the uploaded content, or only for having a diligent take down policy. The grounds for taking down Megaupload, for example, while most file hosting services allow the same functionality, are a bit shaky, and there's quite a bit of argument twisting and focus on ex-post usage rather than principles in that discussion.

[DarkSwordsman]

If you want to get technical, it's not illegal to use the same Key for software since that key is valid, but at that point, it's more about you getting around the validations to the internet. If someone wants to play their one game on multiple computers (say a desktop for home and a laptop for on the go), they don't have to purchase multiple keys, they just buy one and then there is authentification whether it be Steam, Origin, or some other service. What's the difference if you give it to other people?

If you want to bring this to terms like with Adobe Master Collection (before CC), it's not illegal to have full access to the software as long as it is in trial mode. If your trial mode "just so happens" to be unlocked forever, then you are still holding a legal version of it.

 

Laws are COMPLICATED which is how you can get caught but also get away with a lot of stuff. You should do the right thing and pay for your own version because if you really like the game then why not support the developers?

Now if you had access to the source code then nothing is illegal, even if it is "closed source" because at that point, who's to say you didn't also develop that same exact game? It is possible... unless whoever owns the original content has patents or trademarks on it.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

If you are saying that in your country downloading copyright-protected material is illegal, I'm quite skeptical about it, but out of curiosity I must ask which country that is and go check it.

"So, DUTCH-stoner, where are you from?"

 

"Well, I dunno..."

7 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

It's not a perfect analogy, but it can be seen a bit like drug dealing: the crime is selling, not buying.

Trying to buy a gun, for example, can get me into trouble. Asking a police officer to buy some hard drugs from him/her, might get me into trouble asswel. (depends if the officer is lazy or not me thinks) Same goes for prostetution in the USA... Trying to get laid with an undercover cop, will get you into trouble.

 

9 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

This is actually a controversial subject, and it boils down to take down policies. Youtube will take down videos reported for copyright infringement, but there is a large debate around whether hosts of third-party uploads are responsible for the uploaded content, or only for having a diligent take down policy.

I just wonder. There are some nasty full nudity full movie nazi porn things on that youtube thingy. With several millions of views, uploaded years ago. So I think that that works well... (won't give you search link hints here in public)

[tobben]

So yeah, in practice this is not

how the community standards

work.. 

 

- Locked.