Network survey

[iCeCOM]

This is a Google Forms survey about networks and internet connection, as i think it's intresting to know what type of connection is used in different regions, what ISP people consider good and etc. etc. etc.

So if you have a tiny bit of time, please participate in it. Every question is completely optional to answer, so if you don't know/want to answer - then do not.

 

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1pzizhg9VrPTTwdlsZfm8JAHLIA7cC39rTozDpeHADnQ/

 

I will post results some time later in this topic (or you can see them yourself by clicking on a link after completing this survey)

[manikyath]

i just wanna mention that i doubt there's a lot of people that'll remember the exact date they first made a network.

[manikyath]

also, you offered cable, fibre, and wifi as an option. i'm unsure what "directly to the ISP" refers to, but you forgot one: twisted pair.

[iCeCOM]

1 minute ago, manikyath said:

also, you offered cable, fibre, and wifi as an option. i'm unsure what "directly to the ISP" refers to, but you forgot one: twisted pair.

Cable = twisted pair as far as i know, directly to ISP means you don't have a router and only one PC.

[mariushm]

Asking for the EXACT day month and year when someone was aware on networks is kinda stupid.

 

I'm over 30 years old, you think I remember when i went for the first time in my high school's computer lab and learned about 10 mbps network cards and BNC networks and 50 ohm terminators?

 

Anyway, ballparked it, guess lots of people will say   1st of january some year.

 

ps. Also the next question after the above is kinda confusing. There's cable which could be interpreted as coaxial cable, and then there's ethernet cable

[suchamoneypit]

3 minutes ago, manikyath said:

also, you offered cable, fibre, and wifi as an option. i'm unsure what "directly to the ISP" refers to, but you forgot one: twisted pair.

what ISP is using regular UTP/STP Ethernet cables? Isn't it pretty much Coax, fibre, wifi?

 

I assumed cable was a blanket term for UTP/STP, Coax, or DSL,ect.

[manikyath]

Just now, iCeCOM said:

Cable = twisted pair as far as i know, directly to ISP means you don't have a router and only one PC.

you arent giving me very good vibes here, my man

[iCeCOM]

Just now, mariushm said:

Asking for the EXACT day month and year when someone was aware on networks is kinda stupid.

 

I'm over 30 years old, you think I remember when i went for the first time in my high school's computer lab and learned about 10 mbps network cards and BNC networks and 50 ohm terminators?

 

Anyway, ballparked it, guess lots of people will say   1st of january some year.

 

ps. Also the next question after the above is kinda confusing. There's cable which could be interpreted as coaxial cable, and then there's ethernet cable

 

5 minutes ago, manikyath said:

i just wanna mention that i doubt there's a lot of people that'll remember the exact date they first made a network.

I know, but you can submit at least a year (there's no option in google forms to ask only for a year)

[iCeCOM]

"How you prefer to connect your devices" i mean your devices to your home router, wireless or using a cable or you have no router and use your PC as a router (twisted pair from your ISP directly to your computer)

[manikyath]

1 minute ago, suchamoneypit said:

what ISP is using regular UTP/STP Ethernet cables? Isn't it pretty much Coax, fibre, wifi?

 

I assumed cable was a blanket term for UTP/STP, Coax, or DSL,ect.

but the question is LAN

 

which in fact, coax lan was *the* standard for quite a while, but i doubt anyone is using it anymore today

 

and cable usually refers to coax, while twisted pair is kept seperate (with very good reason as the technology is pretty much more different than the technology in fiber.)

[iCeCOM]

Just now, manikyath said:

but the question is LAN

 

which in fact, coax lan was *the* standard for quite a while, but i doubt anyone is using it anymore today

 

and cable usually refers to coax, while twisted pair is kept seperate (with very good reason as the technology is pretty much more different than the technology in fiber.)

My native language is not English, so i didn't knew it, now i fixed it in the survey.

[manikyath]

i felt guilty putting 10 in that first question (i'm a junior DC/network architect at *a major international package delivery company*), i dont anymore seeing OP's knowledge

[iCeCOM]

Just now, manikyath said:

i felt guilty putting 10 in that first question (i'm a junior DC/network architect at *a major international package delivery company*), i dont anymore seeing OP's knowledge

You can change it if you were logged in to your Google account.

[Sir Asvald]

There's no way of connecting your PC to the internet without a modem/router. Unless you're using dial-up.. 

[manikyath]

Just now, iCeCOM said:

My native language is not English, so i didn't knew it, now i fixed it in the survey.

mine isnt english either

 

in fact, most people in my area dont start learning english until they're of the age of bragging about penis size and the speed of their moped.

[mariushm]

1 minute ago, suchamoneypit said:

what ISP is using regular UTP/STP Ethernet cables? Isn't it pretty much Coax, fibre, wifi?

 

I assumed cable was a blanket term for UTP/STP, Coax, or DSL,ect.

ISP brings a pair of fiber optic cables into a box in the apartment building, where there's a 24 or 48 port switch and from there, there's ethernet cable going into each apartment in the building. User connects to the ISP through PPoE and gets up to 1gbps internet.

Myself, I get 500/25 through TV cable, but naturally the optical fiber's somewhere in the apartment building or near the apartment building and something converts signal to coax and the cable modem in each subscriber's apartment converts the signal back to ethernet.

 

As for other questions .. static or dynamic .. i have semi-static ip address.. meaning it sometimes changes once a year or every year and half if they do some maintenance in their network, otherwise even if it  turn off my router completely, it remembers the IP for a few days and assigns it back to me. So in theory it's dynamic because i don't have one assigned through contract but it's quite static.

Maybe you should ask is it a static and business like IP, meaning is the IP assigned to you from a range which allows you to run services on the IP (like web server, mail server etc)?

I know I couldn't run a mail server with my IP because the ISP voluntarily submits these IP ranges to anti-spam services and they're put in a special category, which means any mail sent from these IPs are automatically dropped by most email systems (but without usual penalties).

 

 

[iCeCOM]

Just now, Abdul201588 said:

There's no way of connecting your PC to the internet without a modem/router. Unless you're using dial-up.. 

There is. At least with some ISP's.

[Sir Asvald]

Just now, iCeCOM said:

There is. At least with some ISP's.

Can you tell which ones.

[iCeCOM]

Just now, Abdul201588 said:

Can you tell which ones.

If you got a twisted pair in your house/flat, an ethernet card (even built-in to your motherboard), you can.

[manikyath]

Just now, Abdul201588 said:

Can you tell which ones.

if your pc has the appropriate modem hardware on board (which.. kinda beats the idea of "connecting directly" because the hardware is technicly still there) or if you have a baller internet connection only one old lady in sweden can afford.

(by which i mean they run the cable of your choice to your doorstep, but at that point i doubt you'd be the kind of person that plugs it in directly).

[mariushm]

I explained a few posts above in my previous message.

it's called PPPoE : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point-to-point_protocol_over_Ethernet

 

One of the ISP's in my country connects users with ethernet cable. Until you authenticate through PPPoE the ethernet cable is basically dead, after you're logged in everything works fine. The encryption and encapsulation adds a bit to the cpu usage compared to other methods like having the ISP provide you with a router.

[Sir Asvald]

1 minute ago, iCeCOM said:

If you got a twisted pair in your house/flat, an ethernet card (even built-in to your motherboard), you can.

You haven't still answered my question. You said there are some IPS's that provide internet without modern/router.

[Lurick]

6 minutes ago, manikyath said:

i felt guilty putting 10 in that first question (i'm a junior DC/network architect at *a major international package delivery company*), i dont anymore seeing OP's knowledge

I definitely didn't feel guilty but then again since I work at *big network company*, lol. I did feel bad putting my LAN is capable of doing 10Gb/s since it might skew OP's results a little bit as most people don't have that ability, but I just get to be an outlier

[manikyath]

1 minute ago, mariushm said:

I explained a few posts above in my previous message.

it's called PPPoE : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point-to-point_protocol_over_Ethernet

 

One of the ISP's in my country connects users with ethernet cable. Until you authenticate through PPPoE the ethernet cable is basically dead, after you're logged in everything works fine. The encryption and encapsulation adds a bit to the cpu usage compared to other methods like having the ISP provide you with a router.

dont they usually do that pppoe setup on a router? it's pretty non-existant here so i wouldnt be able to say for sure

[mariushm]

Just now, manikyath said:

dont they usually do that pppoe setup on a router? it's pretty non-existant here so i wouldnt be able to say for sure

Sure you can buy a router for yourself if you want to, and configure it to automatically send the username and password and authenticate each time it's needed. You just don't have to buy a specific one from your ISP.

I quite like my cable modem/router/wifi access point combo, it's fast and stable so I can't complain.