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[thedivision1]

I have a amd FX  8350 black edition processor... Would there be a point of buying a Intel chip set for a any advantage?

[TristanKing]

Wait for Kaby Lake/ Zen and decide based on benchmarks/Price. Or wait for Cannon Lake if you're happy with your CPU for now.

[roylapoutre]

Now isn't the best time to change your CPU with the upcoming architectures. Your 8350 will be good at least 6 more months until we know more about Zen / Kaby Lake

[SpaceGhostC2C]

1 minute ago, thedivision1 said:

I have a amd FX  8350 black edition processor... Would there be a point of buying a Intel chip set for a any advantage?

It depends. Intel has several chips better than the 8350. However, depending on what you do with the PC, you may or may not see a huge improvement in your everyday tasks, and the increase in performance you see may or may not justify the cost of upgrading.

[SLAYR]

14 minutes ago, thedivision1 said:

I have a amd FX  8350 black edition processor... Would there be a point of buying a Intel chip set for a any advantage?

Naming a topic any Amd vs intel, or amd vs nvidia is almost a sure way to get it locked.

 

AMD chips currently have lower singlethreaded performance, but if you can use all of the threads on the 8350 then it will perform better then an i5, but below an i7.

 

So unless you want the best amd cpus are still good, but I wouldn't recommend anyone buying a new fx series cpu, there lower end cpus like the 845/880k are great cpus for the price though.

[BloodyWaters]

Intel is good for lower end processors, because the cheap AMD processors are pretty bad. If you are looking for a cheap high performance processor, get AMD. But if you can afford it, always go with Intel.  

[SLAYR]

Just now, BloodyWaters said:

Intel is good for lower end processors, because the cheap AMD processors are pretty bad. If you are looking for a cheap high performance processor, get AMD. But if you can afford it, always go with Intel.  

Cheap is where the amd cpus are better, the 845, 860k, and 880k are priced about where the g4400, and g3258 are at and perform much better. 

[thedivision1]

7 hours ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

It depends. Intel has several chips better than the 8350. However, depending on what you do with the PC, you may or may not see a huge improvement in your everyday tasks, and the increase in performance you see may or may not justify the cost of upgrading.

i usually stress test play 2 games of division on two monitors

 

 

well comparing my computer to my friends, his i5 i did not  see much of a performance difference. thats what was i was confused about.

 

7 hours ago, SLAYR said:

Naming a topic any Amd vs intel, or amd vs nvidia is almost a sure way to get it locked.

 

AMD chips currently have lower singlethreaded performance, but if you can use all of the threads on the 8350 then it will perform better then an i5, but below an i7.

 

So unless you want the best amd cpus are still good, but I wouldn't recommend anyone buying a new fx series cpu, there lower end cpus like the 845/880k are great cpus for the price though.

i got my black edition for 100 dollars when a sale was being ran so i thought it was a good deal for a 8 core

 

[kirashi]

57 minutes ago, thedivision1 said:

well comparing my computer to my friends, his i5 i did not  see much of a performance difference. thats what was i was confused about.

AMD's FX series CPUs run better than the i5, and even i7 in some cases, depending on your workload and what you use it for.

For instance, I recently built a friends computer using the FX-8350 so he could spend more on the GTX 970 instead of the 960.

He only games and doesn't really do any serious photo-editing, so the AMD was naturally the better bang for his buck.

If he was more heavily into photography I probably would have recommended an i5 for better performance in Lightroom.

50 minutes ago, thedivision1 said:

i got my black edition for 100 dollars when a sale was being ran so i thought it was a good deal for a 8 core

 

 

That's an extremely good deal considering the performance the Black Edition FX series CPUs give you.

[Nena Trinity]

I vote for waiting so you ca upgrade to a Intel or AMD 8-core with SMT! :3

[BloodyWaters]

3 hours ago, SLAYR said:

Cheap is where the amd cpus are better, the 845, 860k, and 880k are priced about where the g4400, and g3258 are at and perform much better. 

I'm afraid I don't agree m8

[Canada EH]

2 hours ago, thedivision1 said:

i got my black edition for 100 dollars when a sale was being ran so i thought it was a good deal for a 8 core

 

I dont know much, but an AMD with 8 cores, is not a true 8 core.

Probably wouldnt even be close to an i7 4 core with 4 hyper threads. Maybe even with an i5 with no hyper threading.

Just do yourself a favor and buy Intel.

[TristanKing]

18 minutes ago, Canada EH said:

I dont know much, but an AMD with 8 cores, is not a true 8 core.

Probably wouldnt even be close to an i7 4 core with 4 hyper threads. Maybe even with an i5 with no hyper threading.

Just do yourself a favor and buy Intel.

Zen will likely have cores more similar to Intel's, and will cost more. But yeah, Bulldozer 8 core is pretty much the equivalent of Intel's 4 core CPUs in most programs and pretty much all games.

[Canada EH]

Dont get your hopes up with AMD.

Intel is holding back their releases because they are so far ahead.

I bet Intel has already got something developed that puts Skylake in the dust.

 

Its better to make small changes on their releases, then it is to slam down a huge change and have to come up with something new on that.

[Curious Pineapple]

Wait for the next gen and see what's on offer. Wait for real world testing not synthetic benchmarks

[thedivision1]

39 minutes ago, Canada EH said:

I dont know much, but an AMD with 8 cores, is not a true 8 core.

Probably wouldnt even be close to an i7 4 core with 4 hyper threads. Maybe even with an i5 with no hyper threading.

Just do yourself a favor and buy Intel.

but i thought performance for price amd would be a better deal?

[Canada EH]

depends on what you are doing with that cpu

[TristanKing]

1 hour ago, thedivision1 said:

but i thought performance for price amd would be a better deal?

That's a complete myth. Nvidia and Intel have crushed AMD price/performance for years now in both GPUs and CPUs. That's why they're so popular.

 

I've no idea how so many people seem to get "cheap" mixed up with "good price/performance". AMD are only a decent option in the cheapest of cheap builds.

[Nalizar]

So just as a base line a 8350 with a gtx 970 basic specs on the rest of the computer can pass the valve vr ready test just barely over ready, so competent but not breaking any records. but i would suggest looking into the games you play and see if they would get a big boost from single threaded performance. 

[SLAYR]

31 minutes ago, TristanKing said:

That's a complete myth. Intel have crushed AMD price/performance for years now in both GPUs and CPUs. That's why they're so popular.

 

I've no idea how so many people seem to get "cheap" mixed up with "good price/performance". AMD are only a decent option in the cheapest of cheap builds.

Intel gpus are absolutely horrid besides the intel iris graphics at a $100+ premium, any decent amd apu will have way better graphics then any of the hd graphics.

1 hour ago, BloodyWaters said:

I'm afraid I don't agree m8

Numbers don't lie. Even a g3258 at what most likely is around 5GHz for the peak oc benchmark isn't faster then the 845 in quad and multithreaded use, and that is the locked version, the 880k does even better. And even regular programs like antivirus, and excel can use more then 2 threads. Intresting fact: excel can be configured to run up to 1024 threads)

 

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Athlon-X4-845-vs-Intel-Pentium-G3258/m84491vs2434

 

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Athlon-X4-845-vs-Intel-Pentium-G4400/m84491vs3539

 

 

[TristanKing]

14 minutes ago, SLAYR said:

Intel gpus are absolutely horrid besides the intel iris graphics at a $100+ premium, any decent amd apu will have way better graphics then any of the hd graphics.

Numbers don't lie. Even a g3258 at what most likely is around 5GHz for the peak oc benchmark isn't faster then the 845 in quad and multithreaded use, and that is the locked version, the 880k does even better. And even regular programs like antivirus, and excel can use more then 2 threads. Intresting fact: excel can be configured to run up to 1024 threads)

 

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Athlon-X4-845-vs-Intel-Pentium-G3258/m84491vs2434

 

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Athlon-X4-845-vs-Intel-Pentium-G4400/m84491vs3539

 

 

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