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Do most americans even know that they don't need to vote for either trump or hillary? There's more than just 2 parties in the elections.

Because seriously, up here in Canada, whenever I hear news about the upcoming elections in the US, it's always about Trump or Hillary, as if those were the only choices.

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2 minutes ago, TetraSky said:

Do most americans even know that they don't need to vote for either trump or hillary? There's more than just 2 parties in the elections.

Because seriously, up here in Canada, whenever I hear news about the upcoming elections in the US, it's always about Trump or Hillary, as if those were the only choices.

 

There are only two real choices. Like here in brazil,you can nulify our vote or vote in one of the symbolic candidates (the ones that have NO chance to win).

But bottom line,you know only 2 candidates have a chance to win, and some people like to chose the lesser evil.

Ultra is stupid. ALWAYS.

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8 minutes ago, TetraSky said:

Do most americans even know that they don't need to vote for either trump or hillary? There's more than just 2 parties in the elections.

Because seriously, up here in Canada, whenever I hear news about the upcoming elections in the US, it's always about Trump or Hillary, as if those were the only choices.

Who else can they vate for?

Or if enough people null their votes does a new election happen?

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Who else can they vate for?

Or if enough people null their votes does a new election happen?

Someone who leans democrats but don't want to vote for Hillary can vote Green party for example, considering they have many of the same stance on most political issues.

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Just now, TetraSky said:

Someone who leans democrats but don't want to vote for Hillary can vote Green party for example, considering they have many of the same stance on most political issues.

Who's their candidate?

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Beats me. She's just as dangerous as Trump, she might not be an ignorant jackass but she's a consistently evil, calculating women who would have no qualms in tanking the economy, starting more wars, whatever.

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51 minutes ago, TetraSky said:

Do most americans even know that they don't need to vote for either trump or hillary? There's more than just 2 parties in the elections.

Because seriously, up here in Canada, whenever I hear news about the upcoming elections in the US, it's always about Trump or Hillary, as if those were the only choices.

Those are the only two choices. The US constitution makes it impossible for there to be three strong parties. If no one candidate gets 270 electoral votes the congress elects the president. It happened in the 1824 election when John Quincy Adams was elected by congress after losing to Andrew Jackson in electoral vote count since no one candidate got a majority.

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A brokered election like 1824 would 100% ensure a Trump win since there are more red states than blue and since each state gets one vote. So a vote for Jill Stein (Green Party) is a vote for Trump.

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Jill stein is my option now since I agree with socialism and I'm voting from the heart. I don't hold a grudge for Sanders siding with the party because there's a good chance that the democrats will get stomped in the election which will leave Sanders in a good spot to reshape the democratic party in his image.

 

It does mean that I'm very likely to have to live with the reality of Trump as president. I have no idea where that will go. I don't hold a lot of love for immigrants especially those who follow Islam, but I'm not racist. I side against immigrants because I love what's behind me more than hate what's coming at me. So strict immigration is no big deal to me, I just don't want to see corporatocracy and laissez fair with monopolies which is a step backwards to darker times. Trump has been pretty vague though so I'll take my chances with him, but I won't vote for him either.

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33 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

A brokered election like 1824 would 100% ensure a Trump win since there are more red states than blue and since each state gets one vote. So a vote for Jill Stein (Green Party) is a vote for Trump.

As someone explained to me earlier this is because the US basically has no real Democracy: many states can't even vote a third party options since it wouldn't be in the ballots.

 

Sorry to say but...you guys done fucked up (it only took 20 years to become reality):

 

 

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34 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

As someone explained to me earlier this is because the US basically has no real Democracy: many states can't even vote a third party options since it wouldn't be in the ballots.

 

Sorry to say but...you guys done fucked up (it only took 20 years to become reality):

 

 

Of course we did, a bunch of slaveowners wrote a bill of rights saying all men are created equal. If any American thinks his rights mean shit he should look at the Japanese American internment camps in WWII, the genocide of the natives, the genocide of black slaves. The US is powerful because it has a lot of land, a lot of natural resources, and two huge oceans separating it from the other countries who love war most.

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51 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

As someone explained to me earlier this is because the US basically has no real Democracy: many states can't even vote a third party options since it wouldn't be in the ballots.

It royally pisses me off that Bernie had no chance in this election, as he is easily the best presidential candidate of my lifetime. Hell, he is probably the best candidate since FDR 72 years ago. But I'm not going to vote for Trump just because Clinton massively fails an ideological purity test. Clinton will likely be a very bad president just like her husband, but that's far preferable to having the religious and anti-science nutjobs in the house controlling the nation through a Trump presidency. To have three more Clarence Thomas' on the supreme court to fill the Scalia vacancy, the upcoming Ginsburg vacancy (she is old as shit), and the upcoming Thomas vacancy (he has hinted he's not going to be a lifer).

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1 minute ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

It royally pisses me off that Bernie had no chance in this election, as he is easily the best presidential candidate of my lifetime. Hell, he is probably the best candidate since FDR 72 years ago. But I'm not going to vote for Trump just because Clinton massively fails an ideological purity test. Clinton will likely be a very bad president just like her husband, but that's far preferable to having the religious and anti-science nutjobs in the house controlling the nation through a Trump presidency. To have three more Clarence Thomas' on the supreme court to fill the Scalia vacancy, the upcoming Ginsburg vacancy (she is old as shit), and the upcoming Thomas vacancy (he has hinted he's not going to be a lifer).

First time I hear this Supreme Justice argument and I must say is one of the most convincing "Fuck it just bite the bullet and do Hillary" arguments so far.

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I trust her less then Trump and that is saying a lot. Her "selling" points are she is a Women and not racist. WOW good job. Let's not forget about what your husband did, oh wait and the felony you committed yet didn't get charged for

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1 hour ago, Misanthrope said:

As someone explained to me earlier this is because the US basically has no real Democracy: many states can't even vote a third party options since it wouldn't be in the ballots.

 

Sorry to say but...you guys done fucked up (it only took 20 years to become reality):

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

First time I hear this Supreme Justice argument and I must say is one of the most convincing "Fuck it just bite the bullet and do Hillary" arguments so far.

The Supreme Court is huge no doubt, but ceding power to the House Republicans is even worse IMO. Republicans at the state level redrew congressional districts after the 2010 census to give the party tons of safe districts in response to the spankings they got at the national level in 2006 and 2008, so the Republican furthest to the right takes these. In the 2012 election Democrats got more votes than Repbulicans in house of representatives elections but the Republicans gained seats because of how the party drew congressional districts. You should see what my district looks like, it was specifically designed to get a liberal house member (Lloyd Doggett) out of power by splitting the Austin white liberal Democrat vote with the San Antonio latino conservative Democrat vote. The district ended up being drawn by a judge in San Antonio (which saved Doggett's seat), but it's still pretty close to the Republicans' proposal before the federal government sued them over this district (and others).

 

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This unbeatable advantage the Republicans hold in the house can't be changed until the 2020 census when congressional districts can be redrawn. And it ensures the most polarizing candidates win in both parties, which ensures gridlock in Washington.

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I don't like Clinton, I wouldn't give her the time of day, but a vote for her is much less bad than the alternative.

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1 hour ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

Those are the only two choices. The US constitution makes it impossible for there to be three strong parties. If no one candidate gets 270 electoral votes the congress elects the president. It happened in the 1824 election when John Quincy Adams was elected by congress after losing to Andrew Jackson in electoral vote count since no one candidate got a majority.

So Obama could be here for another 4 years? Doesn't sound like a to bad of a deal...

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Just now, FirstArmada said:

So Obama could be here for another 4 years? Doesn't sound like a to bad of a deal...

I think the congress can only pick from the candidates who got a certain minimum number of electoral votes in the case of a brokered election. But a brokered election would be a Republican landslide, there are more red states than blue.

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Just now, SteveGrabowski0 said:

I think the congress can only pick from the candidates who got a certain minimum number of electoral votes in the case of a brokered election. But a brokered election would be a Republican landslide, there are more red states than blue.

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Just when i thought there was still hope ;(

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The way the election is already shaping up is that this Trump's election.  From an electoral stand point on all levels of government, Republicans, especially in swing states are pulling ahead by 7+ points for the most part, than their Democrat counterparts, and as Democrat corruption is rooted and exposed more and more by future leaks - they'll continue to gain in support among their base, and independents / moderates.  

The argument against Hillary is her calculation, manipulation and actual pure evil.  She's willing to start a war with Russia, a country we should be working with, and further regime change, when Assad is keeping some relative control over Syria.  Gaddafi and Hussein were the biggest mistakes ever made by presidents - you can't give people living in the 7th cenutry, democracy and the right to choose - leave them to their secular dictators.  Hillary's supreme court nominations will undermine American progressivism, real progressivism in favor of crony capitalist and corporatism.  Trump's nominations would effectively keep status quo in terms of the constitution - the country is safe in that regard.   Hillary will do everything in her power to establish the Dixiecrat destiny - take away Americans guns, liberalize further, and continue to keep white liberal communities segregated from the poor communities that're full of poor whites, hispanics, Africans and 'refugees' - let them tear eachother apart while they sit at the top.  Hillary's entire political existence has always been consolidation of wealth and assets as well as furthering herself.  Even BLM chants outside the same thing Malcolm X did before he was killed two days after -this- speech - 

 

De-liberalization(liberal as in marxist-communist-lite bull) of the school system(reduce the number of brain dead SJW's, and colleges teaching curriculum because they're on government payrolls), lowering taxation, cutting federal spending and diverting to the military - all safe bets.  Let states run their own social programs, etc.

The lesser of evils for this election -is- Trump.  Taxation - lowered.  Islamic immigration - halted.  Illegal immigrants - sent home.  They can come back in ten years when they sort out their paper work and finances.  NATO - We -do- pay more than any other member, and we make up for others, they should pay or we should leave.

The policies Trump proposes will help everyone in the country. From state healthcare competing with one another, and private insurance companies, to the de-regulation of millions of business documents to spur on growth and small business and all the way to reducing the minimum wage.  Look at Oregon and Washington or New York - $15 min wage, and now business up their prices, cut half the work force, and slash hours to stay afloat.  Small businesses get choked, and the large corporations which can -pay- the expenses, grow, and consolidate. It's about moving back to what makes America great, the free market, nationalism/patriotism, and trying to undo the unsustainable, damaging policy that is Keynesian economics.  

I predict we'll be heading in to a recession, and then we'll have growth, and that growth will slowly get our deficit reducing, and our debt no longer pacing faster along, maybe even reducing over a few years - especially once we can get interest rates rising for the first time in FOREVER.

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A list of the independent and other party affiliated candidates for the election.

 

http://2016.independent-candidate.org/

 

The problem is that Hillary and Trump are the big two getting all the media coverage. That means that they are going to get most of the votes. Even if everyone started looking at the other parties as options I think it would just be a repeat of the early Republican primary with voters going in every direction.

 

The independents don't get the attention they need to even be competitive during the elections. Most news companies swing one way or the other in their bias and people rarely listen to the ones that are unbiased. Probably because people trust and listen to other people that reflect their opinions.

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