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6700k vs 5820k vs 6800k

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1 minute ago, Zyndo said:

Oh. well if prices are higher for you where you are then it probably doesn't matter. Also, the H110i has 3 models:

 

H110i (original)

H110i GTX (gen 2)

H115i (gen 3)

 

The H110i was the original, the other two were the revisions/improvements on the original. They're not SIGNIFICANTLY better or anything, but if you can get the newer ones for a similar price, it would be advisable to do so.

I can't get the H110i here. H110i GTX is available for 120$ and the H115i is available for 135$. 

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Just now, Shubham Yadav said:

I can't get the H110i here. H110i GTX is available for 120$ and the H115i is available for 135$. 

Oh, then just get the GTX. they're pretty much the identical between those two (slightly different cable placements for the corsair link plug in I think)

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The h115i is slightly smaller but also slightly quieter. Again the difference is negligible. Go with either, you won't notice a difference at all

Blue screens eh? Did you try setting it to Wumbo?

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Thanks a lot for the help. I guess I will do a little more research between the 5820k and 6800k and will decide. 

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3 hours ago, Damocles said:

Look up IPC, it means instructions per clock. More recent generations of processors have more IPC per clock and do perform better. There is roughly a 6% increase in IPC from the 5820K to the 6800k so a 4.7Ghz 5820k vs a 4.5 Ghz 6800k would be a 4% increase in clock, but still roughly 2% faster. Answer you question?

 

3 hours ago, Damocles said:

Long story short, 6800k is marginally faster. But with Turbo boost 3.0 you can boost a single core much faster and get slightly better gaming performance. So the prices are unsurprisingly proportional to the performance you are getting. However, if you only game and do light multi threaded stuff from time to time; 6700K.

 

You are sorta right.  At stock clock speeds, a 6800k is slighly faster than a 5820k.  At maximum stable overclocks a later batch Haswell-E chip can outperform a Broadwell-E chip in both single and multi core.  

 

You're doing more of a paper comparison, which I've learned doesn't work well with Haswell-E vs Broadwell-E when overclocking is involved.  Since OP plans to overclock, I think the focus should shift in that direction, vice IPC itself at matching clocks.

 

I tried out Broadwell-E with a 6800k on day one of release followed by a 6950x a few days later.  Just short of two weeks later I went back to my 5960x as it happened to work out better for me.  I'm counting on Skylake X to really shine in both areas.  Considering that you'll probably be able to use a Kaby Lake X CPU and a Skylake X CPU on the same board/platform, good things are to come!

 

Broadwell-E is definitely an improvement especially at stock clocks, but overclock and it's a completely different story.

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3 hours ago, Damocles said:

HAHAHAHA misinformation all around. If that's the case go with AMD's FX-9590 5GHZ 8 core processor, only $230 dollars. hint hint, you guys got things all wrong

I think that you got it all wrong.

Because those are 8 "integer" cores.

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3 hours ago, Shubham Yadav said:

The multicore performance of the FX-9590 doesn't even match that of the 6600k, let alone the 5820k. Not to mention the increase in power consumption and no support for DDR4 on AMD platforms. 

 

Even if I was an AMD fanboy, I wouldn't buy an AMD CPU until zen is released. 

ummm... multicore performance on the 9590 is well above 6600k

name 5 differences between DDR4 and DDR3 plox

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9 minutes ago, DXMember said:

ummm... multicore performance on the 9590 is well above 6600k

name 5 differences between DDR4 and DDR3 plox

 

Well that highly depends on the exact workload exaly.

The FX cpu´s basicly lack on certain instruction sets like avx2.0 for example.

Which can realy be a benefit to have in certain workloads.

For example the i5-6600K will whipe the floor with a FX9590 in adobe premiere video rendering for example.

Which is also a multithreaded workload.

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3 hours ago, Damocles said:

HAHAHAHA misinformation all around. If that's the case go with AMD's FX-9590 5GHZ 8 core processor, only $230 dollars. hint hint, you guys got things all wrong

You are joking right? All of AMD's current CPUs are old, hot, and way slower then an intel CPU. OP get a 6800K it is 15% better then a 5820K and has cooler motherboards

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4 minutes ago, Sintezza said:

 

Well that highly depends on the exact workload exaly.

The FX cpu´s basicly lack on certain instruction sets like avx2.0 for example.

Which can realy be a benefit to have in certain workloads.

For example the i5-6600K will whipe the floor with a FX9590 in adobe premiere video rendering for example.

Which is also a multithreaded workload.

I thought you guys were afraid to use AVX load...

like Prime95 kills your CPU and stuff...

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1 minute ago, SamStrecker said:

You are joking right? All of AMD's current CPUs are old, hot, and way slower then an intel CPU. OP get a 6800K it is 15% better then a 5820K and has cooler motherboards

you can use the same motherboards on both, haswell runs cooler

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1 minute ago, DXMember said:

I thought you guys were afraid to use AVX load...

like Prime95 kills your CPU and stuff...

Well i´m not a guy.

But honnestly i cannot make any sense of this post either?

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1 minute ago, SamStrecker said:

You are joking right? All of AMD's current CPUs are old, hot, and way slower then an intel CPU. OP get a 6800K it is 15% better then a 5820K and has cooler motherboards

The 5820k has the same motherboard options as the 6800k so that's a moot point.

 

Also, he plans to overclock, so the 6800k isn't necessarily going to remain faster.  It just depends on how high he decides to go.

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Just now, DXMember said:

you can use the same motherboards on both, haswell runs cooler

You just might have to flash the BIOS which most people probably don't want to do if it is there first time. Probably nothing will happen but stuff does. Haswell is hotter but the heat density of Broadwell-E is greater so even though it is more efficient it is harder to cool due to the size of the dye.

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Just now, SamStrecker said:

You just might have to flash the BIOS which most people probably don't want to do if it is there first time. Probably nothing will happen but stuff does. Haswell is hotter but the heat density of Broadwell-E is greater so even though it is more efficient it is harder to cool due to the size of the dye.

 

You don't have to flash a BIOS to use a Haswell-E chip on a refresh x99 board.  It's the other way around.  If you are using an older (non refresh) x99 board, you have to flash BIOS in order to use Broadwell-E.

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Just now, done12many2 said:

 

You don't have to flash a BIOS to use a Haswell-E chip on a refresh x99 board.  It's the other way around.  If you are using an older (non refresh) x99 board, you have to flash BIOS in order to use Broadwell-E.

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Well it doesnt realy matter much 5820K and 6800K.

The 6800K is slightly faster per core, but also costs roughly $60,- extra,

Not realy worth it in my opinnion, since the diffrences are minimal.

They offer the same amount of 28 pci-e lanes, so no advantages either there.

 

In terms of motherboards, i would personaly say grab one of the newer X99 refresh boards.

Because more mature now, better bios and some added feutures so why not? :)

Their pricing is simlar anyway.

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7 minutes ago, DXMember said:

I thought you guys were afraid to use AVX load...

like Prime95 kills your CPU and stuff...

Who's afraid of AVX2?  Bring the heat. 

 

No seriously though, I'm not so much worried about heat with Prime95  as much as the fact that at high overclocks, Prime95 will push well over 400w through my CPU.  If I had a reason to push that much power through it I would, but that shit can't be good.  :D

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1 hour ago, Sintezza said:

I think that you got it all wrong.

Because those are 8 "integer" cores.

Late to the party, and still doesn't get the joke -_-||

Blue screens eh? Did you try setting it to Wumbo?

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Get the i7-5820K. It has more cores than the 6700K and overclocks better than the 6800K.

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11 hours ago, done12many2 said:

 

 

You are sorta right.  At stock clock speeds, a 6800k is slighly faster than a 5820k.  At maximum stable overclocks a later batch Haswell-E chip can outperform a Broadwell-E chip in both single and multi core.  

 

You're doing more of a paper comparison, which I've learned doesn't work well with Haswell-E vs Broadwell-E when overclocking is involved.  Since OP plans to overclock, I think the focus should shift in that direction, vice IPC itself at matching clocks.

 

I tried out Broadwell-E with a 6800k on day one of release followed by a 6950x a few days later.  Just short of two weeks later I went back to my 5960x as it happened to work out better for me.  I'm counting on Skylake X to really shine in both areas.  Considering that you'll probably be able to use a Kaby Lake X CPU and a Skylake X CPU on the same board/platform, good things are to come!

 

Broadwell-E is definitely an improvement especially at stock clocks, but overclock and it's a completely different story.

I know that the 5820k overclocks much better, but can't find any links on how they both perform after overclock and how much of a difference is there after overclocking.

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If you're doing a TON of work in a multi-threaded applications and your rendering/extracting time is CRITICAL then I would go for X99 and 6800K. 

If you're not doing a TON of work in a multi-threaded applications and your timings are not CRITICAL, Skylake i7 6700K and quality Z170 motherboard will serve you excellent.

 

anyhow, what is the future of Z170? Exactly which CPU's are coming to this platform in the future?

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16 hours ago, Damocles said:

Late to the party, and still doesn't get the joke -_-||

Joke or just #rekt? :D

 

 

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1 hour ago, Sintezza said:

Joke or just #rekt? :D

 

 

Please start a separate thread if you want to argue this out. The joke was using marketing numbers instead of details to make an uninformed buying decision. I know it's 8 integer cores +4 FP cores, but by saying it's 8 which most people won't look into, I'm proving the point that the Ghz speed was not an accurate representative of performance. I was using the 9590 because the numbers look great on paper and proves my point not to "window shop". It's now simply you being a nuisance and still not understanding what I did there. But good for you, being knowledgeable enough to spot that it's not 8 true cores

 

 

Blue screens eh? Did you try setting it to Wumbo?

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