I think we should talk about Police Shootings.

[SImoHayha]

So lately. As we have seen there has been a shit ton of issues lately with the police and how they act. And the various issues around the few shootings of " Black " men. I put quotations around black because there shouldn't be " black " shootings. It should just be shootings.

 

You see there are a few reasons why people are hating on the police so much and are basically jumping on the bandwagon in order to feel right or feel something. First issues that is always addressed is police officers, as  police officer you should be trained to DE-escalate a situation, which I think we can all agree on, and I believe they're also trained in it somewhat. But what we have to understand is that they're doing this work to protect you, themselves and the community, sure if its a normal stop, you still have to be on your toes in this time and age if your a police member, cause now there is a nothing but pure hate for cops for a reason.

 

second police officers are human. By human I mean they want to live, no one wants to die or get killed, so if a officer gets a called saying someone got a gun you be pretty damn sure cops are going to roll up with weapons drawn, how the hell are they going to know if a suspect has a gun or not and if they are going to shoot cops on sight or not? They can't read bloody minds.

 

Three we're only human. There is people that are racist no doubt, but there is also people being just plain scared of people. Imagine walking down a street and you see three people and they have on saggy clothes, walking with each other making gun figures and are in tattoos and what seems to be a weapon, coming your way. Wouldn't you feel a little worried, just simply by what they wear and act? Now if they were walking and laughing and in casual clothes like jeans and dress shirts you wouldn't feel scared.  You may not realize this people but we are naturally afraid of things that are unknown and what seem to be a threat. For example you wake up and see a wall in red with splatters everywhere and in a location you dont realize whats your first reaction? Obviously freaked out and scared. But if you woke up in a room with a wall in blue and splatters everywhere and still in a unknown location you would be somewhat scared but not as much compared to the first room. What am getting at is HUMANS ARE SCARED, WE LOOK FOR DANGER AND AVOID DANGER. Why do you think when we look into something pitch black and feel a shiver down our spine? Its because we do not know whats in the darkness we are in going without any idea or light into the darkness.

 

Four the media. The media plays a huge part in this who police conflict thing. For example if a news network received that a grandma slipped and fell and a officer shot and killed a black person which one do they choose? Of course the officer who shot a and killed a black person. Why? cause it's gets them ratings and reviews and things that work. Oh a dog died after getting hit by a truck meh, BUT a police officer shooting someone OH LETS AIR THAT. Its all about making money and views and getting the most controversial thing on the air in order to maximize rankings. You really think every news network decided to broadcast the france shooting cause they care ? Okay maybeish, but also to get ratings and views.

 

Five. Is that YOU GOT TO LISTEN TO POLICE OFFICERS. Shit MOST OF THE TIME MOST PEOPLE DONT LISTEN TO WHAT OFFICERS SAY. IF THE BLOODY COPS SAY SIT THE FUCK DOWN YOU SIT DOWN NO QUESTIONS ASKED! You gotta understand that cops have authority, and you gotta listen to them and DONT QUESTION THEM.  I have seen tons of videos of cops pulling people over or asking them to stop doing what they're doing but they don't listen, and it leads to escalating the situation. 

 

Six Cops aren't movie stars. Look at this video. COPS ARE NOT TRAINED TO WOUND THEY ARE TRAINED TO KILL SOMEONE IF SOMEONE IS HOSTILE OR ATTACKS ANOTHER OFFICERS. Look at this video, look the officer tries to shoot the suspects legs and misses three times. It doesn't work like that, plus cops are trying to be efficient and take down the hostile as quickly as possible, and it can take more shots than needed to take down hostiles and not to mention you lose some ammo, if you got a seven shot pistol and miss three shots as that guy did oops you only got four shots left, and what if you miss the remaining four oops your screwed and requires you to lose some time against a hostile.  

Seven some cops aren't good and some are. As you can see in the video above other than hitting the suspects arm with a baton in order to disarm the weapon, some random guy also kicks the suspects head/neck for good measure even after he is down, as you can see his buddies back him off because he's being more aggressive than needed. This is what is needed, some cops making sure their buddies aren't being more aggressive than needed, although am not entire sure if that person in the black and white lined shirt was a cop or normal person.

 Below you can see in the video COPS ARE GIVING MULTIPLE WARNINGS EVEN BEFORE PULLING THE TRIGGER TO FIRE. And some cops firing within a second of giving warnings. Or cops firing because suspects have weapons pointed at officers.

 

Eight the human body can take a lot of damage. You see even with a taser shot and the target down, people can still swing wildly as shown in this video. You see the reason why tasers can be so ineffective and effective is because everyone is different and plus various errors with the taser as a tool, the taser uses two prongs/needles to THAT MUST pierce skin in order to work, if the needles don't penetrate to the skin, then you have to account for different peoples level of pain and tolerance and resilience to pain

Below showing a different type of person high on drugs and making the person immune to taser, physical pain and pepper spray.

Nine. Hate culture surrounding the police. There is a certain little hate culture around the police and they must deal with that. On a constantly daily basis which isn't good for cops and isn't good for the people either cause who knows, maybe one traffic stop routine could end up completely bloody.

 

In that, hopefully things get better, and people listen to the police and understand some police are trying to do their jobs and protect their comrades when needed. But also remember a bad apple is in every tree.

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[SImoHayha]

my bad. Wrong section..

[DannyRyu]

I agree soo much to this. People are too biased against cops. the media makes it worse.

Its not  about if the person is black or not its about what the person is doing. if that guy on the ground was white and was doing the same thing, it would probably happen the same way. people take every-single chance they get to make it about themselves and take it personally.

[Volbet]

I don't usually reply to these thread since I find very unintersting, but you make some pretty weird points:

 

2 hours ago, Ramamataz said:

But what we have to understand is that they're doing this work to protect you, themselves and the community, sure if its a normal stop, you still have to be on your toes in this time and age if your a police member, cause now there is a nothing but pure hate for cops for a reason.

In this "time and age"? Even with the Dallas shooting this is still the most safe time to be a cop in the US.

A policeman in the 1960s would laughe at the policemen of today that think they are at danger. 

 

Also, they don't offer much protection if they end up shooting, do they?

 

2 hours ago, Ramamataz said:

Three we're only human. There is people that are racist no doubt, but there is also people being just plain scared of people. Imagine walking down a street and you see three people and they have on saggy clothes, walking with each other making gun figures and are in tattoos and what seems to be a weapon, coming your way. Wouldn't you feel a little worried, just simply by what they wear and act? Now if they were walking and laughing and in casual clothes like jeans and dress shirts you wouldn't feel scared.  You may not realize this people but we are naturally afraid of things that are unknown and what seem to be a threat. For example you wake up and see a wall in red with splatters everywhere and in a location you dont realize whats your first reaction? Obviously freaked out and scared. But if you woke up in a room with a wall in blue and splatters everywhere and still in a unknown location you would be somewhat scared but not as much compared to the first room. What am getting at is HUMANS ARE SCARED, WE LOOK FOR DANGER AND AVOID DANGER. Why do you think when we look into something pitch black and feel a shiver down our spine? Its because we do not know whats in the darkness we are in going without any idea or light into the darkness.

That fear is one of the reason why you train to become a police officer. 

You need to handle and control your fear in a constructive manner and not let yourself act on your fears. 

If you suffer from borderline social anxiety, then you shouldn't become a cop. 

 

Also, no. I wouldn't be affraid of people in baggy clothing. The chance of them doing anything to me is incredibly small, so why would I be affraid?

I might feel a bit weird, but I can control that feeling with my knowledge of statistics. 

 

You also reduce the fear (that ultimatly leads to shootings) to a purely emotional respons.

If that was the case, the police all over the world should act agressivly at a similar rate as the police in the US.

But this isn't the case. Police in other developed countries shoot way fewer people pr capita than policein the US. 

 

And

2 hours ago, Ramamataz said:

in tattoos

Does that mean you would be affraid of me? I'm pretty much covered in tattoos from my collar bone down to my ankles, and I have always loathed physical violence. 

I have never hurt anyone who didn't start a fight, and I have never done anything criminal towards my fellow humans (or other animals for that matter). 

This also refers back to one of your other points. What is your evidence that people with tattoos are more likely to be violent?

If you don't have ny statistical proof then you are just doing unjust stereotyping.

This also goes for the point on baggy clothing. 

[SImoHayha]

5 minutes ago, Volbet said:

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Its basically like this. You see someone dressed poorly, you think of them as kinda bummy dont you? Same thing applies, some people fear certain people or things. Its basic psychology, why do we feel disgusted when we see a dead body? Why do we feel disgusted when we see something moldy? Its our body trying to make sure we don't get sick or ingest something that could cause us sickness.

 

Like wise some people find people covered in complete body tattoos weird or strange or even afraid or think of them as being someone that does something illegal. Now I was just saying from like a basic situation am not afraid of people in tattoos.  

[Volbet]

4 minutes ago, Ramamataz said:

Its basically like this. You see someone dressed poorly, you think of them as kinda bummy dont you? Same thing applies, some people fear certain people or things. Its basic psychology, why do we feel disgusted when we see a dead body? Why do we feel disgusted when we see something moldy? Its our body trying to make sure we don't get sick or ingest something that could cause us sickness.

 

Like wise some people find people covered in complete body tattoos weird or strange or even afraid or think of them as being someone that does something illegal. Now I was just saying from like a basic situation am not afraid of people in tattoos.  

No, I don't think people who dress proorly are bummy. I don't know the person so I don't assume anything about them.

Hell, I probably dress poorly, and I'm not a bum. I do live a house. 

I might even have dressed better when I lived on street, since I actually had to be presentable when I attended job interviews. 

 

And basic psychology is basic psychology. If you want to be an officer you should transcend that basic state. 

You would need to be able to look objectivly at a situation and access the danger you're in instead of going off your most basic fears.  

[SImoHayha]

2 minutes ago, Volbet said:

No, I don't think people who dress proorly are bummy. I don't know the person so I don't assume anything about them.

Hell, I probably dress poorly, and I'm not a bum. I do live a house. 

I might even have dressed better when I lived on street, since I actually had to be presentable when I attended job interviews. 

 

And basic psychology is basic psychology. If you want to be an officer you should transcend that basic state. 

You would need to be able to look objectivly at a situation and access the danger you're in instead of going off your most basic fears.  

Some officers do some don't unfortunately, some people control their fear better than others.

[Volbet]

7 minutes ago, Ramamataz said:

Some officers do some don't unfortunately, some people control their fear better than others.

And there lies the fundamental issue. A person that can't control their fear(s) isn't suitable for being a cop.

Especially since people's lifes are at stake. Being affraid is never a good excuse for shooting someone. Being in life threating danger is the only reason someone should kill another person.