G-Sync Or FreeSync??

[Arixl]

I don't know anything at all about monitors what so ever, i'v been reading about these for the last hour or so because i'm thinking about buying a new monitor (144hz). My card is NVIDIA GeForce 760, Because i'm using NVIDIA does that mean i have to use a G-Sync to be able to run a monitor at 144hz?

[ivan134]

No, GSync has to do with getting rid of screen tearing. It's not a requirement for 144 Hz.

[roylapoutre]

Nope, you will be able to run the monitor at 144Hz with or without Gsync. But if it's a Freesync monitor, you'll only be able to enjoy the 144Hz refresh rate, but not the Freesync part since you need an AMD GPU

[Aytex]

you dont NEED to use gsync to be able to use 144hz its just a feature integrated in the panel

[Arixl]

3 minutes ago, roylapoutre said:

Nope, you will be able to run the monitor at 144Hz with or without Gsync. But if it's a Freesync monitor, you'll only be able to enjoy the 144Hz refresh rate, but not the Freesync part since you need an AMD GPU

AAAAAH i get it now, thank you =]

[roylapoutre]

4 minutes ago, Arixl said:

AAAAAH i get it now, thank you =]

My pleasure !

[Arixl]

10 minutes ago, roylapoutre said:

Nope, you will be able to run the monitor at 144Hz with or without Gsync. But if it's a Freesync monitor, you'll only be able to enjoy the 144Hz refresh rate, but not the Freesync part since you need an AMD GPU

How important is g-sync / freesync  from my understanding it stops screen tearing but how often do 144hz monitors get screen tearing? 

[roylapoutre]

2 minutes ago, Arixl said:

How important is g-sync / freesync  from my understanding it stops screen tearing but how often do 144hz monitors get screen tearing? 

Screen tearing can appear when the number of FPS is higher than the refresh rate of your monitor. Basically, in one refresh cycle, your monitor can receive multiple images from your GPU. In that case, you'll see different images at the same time on your monitor, creating this "tearing" effect. What GSync and Freesync do is synchronizing the frames sent by your GPU to the monitor's refresh rate. That means 1 image = 1 refresh cycle on your monitor. It gets rid of screen tearing and allow for a smoother experience since every frame is rendered on your monitor

[Arixl]

3 minutes ago, roylapoutre said:

Screen tearing can appear when the number of FPS is higher than the refresh rate of your monitor. Basically, in one refresh cycle, your monitor can receive multiple images from your GPU. In that case, you'll see different images at the same time on your monitor, creating this "tearing" effect. What GSync and Freesync do is synchronizing the frames sent by your GPU to the monitor's refresh rate. That means 1 image = 1 refresh cycle on your monitor. It gets rid of screen tearing and allow for a smoother experience since every frame is rendered on your monitor

So having a nvidia card i should definitely go for a G-sync monitor over freesync 

 

[BrightCandle]

10 minutes ago, roylapoutre said:

Screen tearing can appear when the number of FPS is higher than the refresh rate of your monitor. Basically, in one refresh cycle, your monitor can receive multiple images from your GPU. In that case, you'll see different images at the same time on your monitor, creating this "tearing" effect.

No no no no no. When ever vsync is off in a game it will be tearing. It doesn't matter what the FPS at all it just changes the pattern. Vsync off = tearing on every single image. We don't notice even remotely all of them but its there. You are just wrong.

 

 

[Arixl]

2 minutes ago, BrightCandle said:

No no no no no. When ever vsync is off in a game it will be tearing. It doesn't matter what the FPS at all it just changes the pattern. Vsync off = tearing on every single image. We don't notice even remotely all of them but its there. You are just wrong.

 

 

I'm even more confused now ='[ So should so important is it to get a G-sync monitor for a nvidia card?

[Arixl]

14 minutes ago, BrightCandle said:

No no no no no. When ever vsync is off in a game it will be tearing. It doesn't matter what the FPS at all it just changes the pattern. Vsync off = tearing on every single image. We don't notice even remotely all of them but its there. You are just wrong.

 

 

Where i get super confused is monitors like this BenQ XL2411Z 24in LED 144 hz, is that g-sync / freesync or none, it dosn't really say? If none i'm assuming i don't get the benifits of having g-sync..? Then why would people buy them over freesync / g-sync? holy fuck i'm so confused.

[BrightCandle]

36 minutes ago, Arixl said:

Where i get super confused is monitors like this BenQ XL2411Z 24in LED 144 hz, is that g-sync / freesync or none, it dosn't really say? If none i'm assuming i don't get the benifits of having g-sync..? Then why would people buy them over freesync / g-sync? holy fuck i'm so confused.

The Benq XL2411Z is a 144hz Lightboost 2 monitor, it does not have gsync it just has a faster refresh rate and Nvision 2 for 3D glasses support.

 

What happened here is that Nvidia made Lightboost which was for 3D glasses and included higher refresh rates, they improved it Nvision 2 which also included unofficial support for ULMB and then that then became the gsync module which added gsync and also ULMB but it also includes support for the previous advances of high refresh rates and nvision support (not that anyone cares about 3D glasses but its there and its supported in almost all gsync monitors).

 

People buy the earlier technology because its cheaper, gsync adds a lot of cost to a monitor but that is about it. Gsync is just a superior way to draw images for games in almost all cases and in the few cases where it isn't ULMB is the answer and another gsync module capability.

[roylapoutre]

56 minutes ago, BrightCandle said:

No no no no no. When ever vsync is off in a game it will be tearing. It doesn't matter what the FPS at all it just changes the pattern. Vsync off = tearing on every single image. We don't notice even remotely all of them but its there. You are just wrong.

 

 

As you said, tearing is unlikely to be seen at lower fps. When someone talk about tearing, I assume it's the horrible lines everywhere on the screen, the ones likely to be caused by higher fps values. Tearing will neither occur continuously nor be as visible as the aforementioned case, if noticeable AT ALL. In your need to be more accurate you might confuse people. It's unlikely to be disturbed by tearing at lower fps. At least I know I won't be. 

[BrightCandle]

31 minutes ago, roylapoutre said:

As you said, tearing is unlikely to be seen at lower fps. When someone talk about tearing, I assume it's the horrible lines everywhere on the screen, the ones likely to be caused by higher fps values. Tearing will neither occur continuously nor be as visible as the aforementioned case, if noticeable AT ALL. In your need to be more accurate you might confuse people. It's unlikely to be disturbed by tearing at lower fps. At least I know I won't be. 

The thing is that isn't even true. There are more tear lines at higher refresh rates but they are also going to be smaller differences between them, so they are less noticeable even though there are more of them. At lower FPS values they are more prominent. So no I just don't agree, what you said is technically wrong, period. There are always tear lines if vsync is off.

[roylapoutre]

20 minutes ago, BrightCandle said:

The thing is that isn't even true. There are more tear lines at higher refresh rates but they are also going to be smaller differences between them, so they are less noticeable even though there are more of them. At lower FPS values they are more prominent. So no I just don't agree, what you said is technically wrong, period. There are always tear lines if vsync is off.

Fair enough. But I doubt that you can say with absolute certainty that you see more screen tearing with lower FPS than higher FPS ! 

[Arixl]

How often would you get tearing on 120fps? is it worth getting G-sync, it's quite pricey.

 

[CostcoSamples]

Please keep in mind the difference between adaptive sync (Gsync and Freesync) and Vsync.  Vsync is a software solution that forces your GPU to match the refresh of your monitor.  Gsync/Freesync are hardware solutions which force your monitor to match the frame rate of your GPU.  Both solutions accomplish the same thing, but there are trade offs to be made.  The biggest down side to Vsync is that is adds a small amount of input lag, which is noticeable for very fast FPS games only, and otherwise not usually noticeable.  Gsync/Freesync are a better solution except you have to chose either AMD or Nvidia, and in the case of Nvidia's Gsync, you pay more money because it is a certified Nvidia thing.  Freesync is free, so you don't pay any extra fees to get it.

[Arixl]

2 minutes ago, CostcoSamples said:

Please keep in mind the difference between adaptive sync (Gsync and Freesync) and Vsync.  Vsync is a software solution that forces your GPU to match the refresh of your monitor.  Gsync/Freesync are hardware solutions which force your monitor to match the frame rate of your GPU.  Both solutions accomplish the same thing, but there are trade offs to be made.  The biggest down side to Vsync is that is adds a small amount of input lag, which is noticeable for very fast FPS games only, and otherwise not usually noticeable.  Gsync/Freesync are a better solution except you have to chose either AMD or Nvidia, and in the case of Nvidia's Gsync, you pay more money because it is a certified Nvidia thing.  Freesync is free, so you don't pay any extra fees to get it.

AHH thank you one more question do all or most 144hz have vsync eg BenQ XL2411Z 24in LED 144Hz  is that one i'm looking at as it's the cheapest one i can find in Aus idk if that's a really dumb question or not, i really have no clue when it comes to monitors, i don't have the money to buy a g-sync monitor.

 

[CostcoSamples]

5 minutes ago, Arixl said:

AHH thank you one more question do all or most 144hz have vsync eg BenQ XL2411Z 24in LED 144Hz  is that one i'm looking at as it's the cheapest one i can find in Aus idk if that's a really dumb question or not, i really have no clue when it comes to monitors, i don't have the money to buy a g-sync monitor.

 

As I said, Vsync is a software solution that forces your GPU to match the monitor's refresh rate.  It is an in game setting that you turn on or off and it is compatible with any monitor.  That BenQ monitor is a good one but it does not have Gsync or Freesync.  As others have said, high refresh rate monitors will probably make the screen tearing less pronounced (Vsync off).  

[Arixl]

2 minutes ago, CostcoSamples said:

As I said, Vsync is a software solution that forces your GPU to match the monitor's refresh rate.  It is an in game setting that you turn on or off and it is compatible with any monitor.  That BenQ monitor is a good one but it does not have Gsync or Freesync.  As others have said, high refresh rate monitors will probably make the screen tearing less pronounced (Vsync off).  

wow i'm an idiot sorry it's like 3am here. but my main question is running a game at 120 at 144hz will i get alot of tearing is it actually worth buying a g-sync monitor or is it more of an elitist thing to have?

[mrchow19910319]

Am I the only one who don't give a shit about v-sync/gsync/freesync? 

The only thing I know is vsync is a frame rate killer.

It makes the screen tearing lesser, sure, that is noticeable, but the trade off is too huge.

 

Edit:

I know that you guys said it supposed to match your FPS to your refresh rate.

But at real time gaming, when you could have 80+ fps without vsync, then when you turn it on, now you have 45.

It is annoying. And you do not notice when your fps dip from 100+ to 85, but you WILL notice it dipping from 60 to 45.

That's my point. 

 

I think that you have a decent IPS panel display and a beefy graphics card you are all set. 

All those things are gonna cost you a lot, I personally do not think that it is worth it. 

Edited July 13, 2016 by mrchow19910319
Added some thoughts.

[CostcoSamples]

7 minutes ago, Arixl said:

wow i'm an idiot sorry it's like 3am here. but my main question is running a game at 120 at 144hz will i get alot of tearing is it actually worth buying a g-sync monitor or is it more of an elitist thing to have?

I've never had that kind of monitor either, so I can only speak from seeing it in stores and online reviews.  I definitely want one and am planning to buy one (probably a Gsync display since I'm using Nvidia GPU).  It's not necessary, but nice to have.  Up to you if it's worth the added cost.

[Arixl]

4 minutes ago, mrchow19910319 said:

Am I the only one who don't give a shit about v-sync/gsync/freesync? 

The only thing I know is vsync is a frame rate killer.

It makes the screen tearing lesser, sure, that is noticeable, but the trade off is too huge.

 

I think that you have a decent IPS panel display and a beefy graphics card you are all set. 

All those things are gonna cost you a lot, I personally do not think that it is worth it. 

Okay, thank you yea i don't think i'll go out and get g-sync i'm not exactly rolling in fat stacks just want a decent monitor mine is at least 6 years old flickers a lot buttons don't even work so i can't changed settings or even turn it off so i'm looking forward to getting a new monitor 

[BrightCandle]

60hz basic gaming monitor - Will have low blur and will have the classic Vsync on or off dilemma, performance drops with vsync on, you get input latency and causes more stuttering when a game isn't maintaining 60 fps. With vsync off you get better performance but its still going to gain tear lines and they introduce their own type of stuttering.

 

144hz - Vsync off the tear lines are less apparent and the amount of stutter is reduced even if a game isn't running at a high refresh rate as the lines are on the screen for less time. With vsync on the stuttering is reduced somewhat. All the bad effects of vsync off and on are reduced.

 

Gsync - Tear lines are gone, input latency is minimal and the image stuttering of vsync off/on is gone completely. Improves image quality and smoothness regardless of a games frame rate. Works really well for games in the 40-60 fps range and often extends the workable frame rate range for some types of games as it continues to feel smooth in some even down into the 20s.

 

Gsync solves the Vsync issue for good, the issues that plagued games for decades are just gone and image quality is improved as is the smoothness of the image. Whether that is worth the cost to you or not really is up to you but what it gives you shouldn't be in doubt.